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Bad Guy MEL KRUGER - CROOK

kerrek said:
You realize in your links that they are talking about the 10/22 not the Glock.
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yes I do. And when it fell through, they agreed to 11 snakes for the glock.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/30/b3c9b49eb9ecd3a43f8ae65d5f833c79.jpg

I understand that you don't see it here. But can you explain how in the word show the op trust the Mr. Kruger at this point?

He has already sold some of the snakes and is holding hostage the rest until he gets more money.

Bottom line. If the orginal deal went through. He would only have 11 snakes and be out 2 guns.
 
Black Adder said:
I am sorry Derek but I believe you need to read this entire thread from start to finish...carefully.... then come back and try and tell us Mr Kruger has done nothing wrong!
Have a great day!
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I have read it. This whole issue is Alex's fault because he didn't check his local gun laws. Now the whole deal is a cluster because he wants someone else to pay for his screw up. Mel could be a lot easier to deal with but he has no obligation to fix Alex's screw up.
 
CwnAnnwn said:
yes I do. And when it fell through, they agreed to 11 snakes for the glock.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/30/b3c9b49eb9ecd3a43f8ae65d5f833c79.jpg

I understand that you don't see it here. But can you explain how in the word show the op trust the Mr. Kruger at this point?

He has already sold some of the snakes and is holding hostage the rest until he gets more money.

Bottom line. If the orginal deal went through. He would only have 11 snakes and be out 2 guns.
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Um that link is also talking about the 10/22 not the Glock.

So you are saying that Alex is a thief and would not have sent the 12th snake as agreed upon if Mel had sent the two guns?

I also said earlier Mel has to prove he has all the snakes, then Alex sends him labels then they are done with each other. I doubt either of them trusts the other one as far as they can throw him.
 
kerrek said:
I have read it. This whole issue is Alex's fault because he didn't check his local gun laws. Now the whole deal is a cluster because he wants someone else to pay for his screw up. Mel could be a lot easier to deal with but he has no obligation to fix Alex's screw up.
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So why does he refuse to send it to Colorado now?


The BronX BoA
 
kerrek said:
So you are saying that Alex is a thief and would not have sent the 12th snake as agreed upon if Mel had sent the two guns?
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That risk is easily mitigated by asking the dealer not to do the transfer to Alex until given the ok. Many will do it for a small fee, usually enough to cover transfer + return shipping, to facilitate a firearm trade between non-licensees.
 
kerrek said:
I have read it. This whole issue is Alex's fault because he didn't check his local gun laws. Now the whole deal is a cluster because he wants someone else to pay for his screw up. Mel could be a lot easier to deal with but he has no obligation to fix Alex's screw up.
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I honestly cannot believe you read it in its entirety and came to that conclusion?
Are you on Mr.Krugers payroll??
 
No..he was sending it to finalize the deal. Never expecting anything else. He is trying to add it now because he a crook.


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Mel...

1) Why did you say you sold them and then say you didn't?

2) post pics of the snakes as proof


The BronX BoA
 
At this stage i think we need to see a picture of all 11snakes say with todays newspaper with date showing as proof before ANYTHING else should be considered as there has been too many instances where it has been claimed x number are sold, then still has them all etc etc
Alex needs proof at this stage!
 
Black Adder said:
It has already been documented that Alex was at fault for not checking his local gun laws
So in your mind that gives Mr.Kruger the right to act as a common criminal?
Interesting....
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No that means that Alex has the responsibility to send a shipping label to get his snakes back. Mel can ask for anything he wants to complete the deal once it changed Alex can agree to it or not. I wouldn't have offered up what he did for those guns in the first place. Mel's only obligation after the deal went south was to send back the snakes at Alex's expense. So Mel needs to produce the snakes Alex sends the label and it ends.
 
Unpopular as this may be, I have read and read this thread several times now. The first party to short this deal not once but twice is Alex. Also, Kruger NEVER acknowledged he would do this for what he already has for the Glock. Alex states this works for him but no screenshot that I have seen shows Kruger agreeing to that. Alex states that Kruger will not talk on the phone like a man and wants to text. Alex should go through those texts carefully and post anything showing Kruger acknowledged this as acceptable. Kruger is being a touch unreasonable about this in my opinion but is not wrong.
Let us remember that Kruger entered into a deal that Alex shorted from the get go. My next comment, perhaps someone with more knowledge of gun law could chime in on.
IF Kruger were to ship 1,2,3, or 20 guns to Colorado to circumvent gun laws in NY couldn't he be opening himself up to unneeded risk if those very same guns were later discovered in NY ? I believe if it could be shown (for example this thread) that I knowingly shipped guns to another relative for someone trying to obtain those same guns in a banned state I may be held accountable in some fashion. (example gun used in the commission of a crime)
This is just my thought and in no way the be all end all to this situation. Mr Kruger has Zero obligation to do anything for Alex except for shipping the animals back on Alex's dime. I believe Kruger should be absolutely proving that he indeed has all of these animals in his possession. If not further discussion needs to take place and Alex could possibly be owed money.
My own wandering skeptical mind questions if Alex entered this trade saying he would send just about anything to make a gun deal. Then knowingly not send the one snake he never had any intention of sending. Once Kruger has his animals hoping to renegotiate something to still have a weapon but not give up the most important snake.( I have zero evidence to support Alex is doing this.) It is just a passing thought that I have not seen shared. For what it is worth if you feel Alex has been wronged then avoid Kruger like the plague. And if you choose to deal with him know that it seems he does not bend or flex.
 
Interesting how the labeled "bad guy" all of sudden has some who are "kind of" supporting him.

The first deal was dead. It has been acknowledged. And so thankful that I didn't send the snake because I would have been out even more. You can see that he agreed to send one gun for the snakes he received...just to 'make it right'
But when he couldn't, he mentioned "the only I have is a glock." I said that will work and he said we have to wait until the end of the month. If I didn't catch him trying to trade it again...he would have traded it without telling me. He posted it without reaching out to try to work something out. Why would he? He has all my snakes and all the guns. He a slick little con-artist. When I present him with the option to send it Colorado in my brothers name. He refuses. The gun will be my brothers not mine. I rather he have something instead of a lowlife good for nothing scammer.

The only time he ever had the calls to me was when the shipment arrived...saying..."ummm one snake is missing. But all of these guys are awesome." Then he starts with his bullshit claims. Do not let this man fool you. He is a evil person who is extorting me.

Now he says I have 24hours to do something when I've given this loser nothing but options to clear his name. I have 24hours but he has claimed to have sold my snakes and several of them are posted online. Moreover, I have texted him from other numbers inquiring to buy and he has quoted prices and told me on is on hold until today Friday. He doesn't have my snakes and has profited already. He needs to send me MY PROCEEDS then. He needs to show proof as on member suggested with today's newspaper date. If he doesn't...there's the final nail in the coffin.


The BronX BoA
 
snakeman101172 said:
IF Kruger were to ship 1,2,3, or 20 guns to Colorado to circumvent gun laws in NY couldn't he be opening himself up to unneeded risk if those very same guns were later discovered in NY? I believe if it could be shown (for example this thread) that I knowingly shipped guns to another relative for someone trying to obtain those same guns in a banned state I may be held accountable in some fashion. (example gun used in the commission of a crime)
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IANA lawyer. I do hold a federal firearms license (FFL).

It would only be a crime if you shipped the firearm across state lines directly to a non-licensee. If you ship to an FFL you are fine, you can ship to a licensee in any state. If the ATF did ever initiate a trace all he would have to give them is the contact info for the FFL. The FFL will then have to show the ATF the bound book entry for the disposition of the gun.

In fact it is legal for an FFL in NY to have those guns and a host of other things that non-licensees can't, so that they can sell to local law-enforcement. It's just not legal in NY for the FFL to transfer those guns to a non-licensee.

There are/were a lot of solutions that look like they were never explored:

- Alex's local transfer dealer could consign the firearms for him, sell them out of state, and give him the money less whatever consignment fee he charges.

- IIRC for the 10/22 there are certain features that make it a ban gun - adjustable stock, pistol grip, threaded barrel, etc. It's child's play to swap parts to make a gun NY or CA legal, we do it all the time for buyers before shipping the gun into the state.

- Alternatively Mel could put the guns onto an auction site like GunBroker himself, sell them, and send Alex the money.
 
I could see the command of language being an issue here and consider it a possibility that confusion lies in the difference of understandings regarding the wording involved in the text discussions.

The issue of claiming the snakes have been sold and no longer in possession and then near-magically in possession is not something I would ignore or take lightly at all. One of these claims has almost surely been a lie. Even both at different times could constitute two lies. If someone says Mel has done nothing wrong, then I question that. If your deal is not done, is it not wrong to sell what has not yet settled as yours? If you claim to have sold things and then later also claim you have those things at an oddly convenient point in a dispute, is not lying to the person you are supposed to be honest with also wrong?

Further, if the deal is not completed, how is it ethical for the accused to post the snakes for sale in an attempt to sell them prior to settlement?

The accused also seems to ignore everything that does not agree with him getting everything and more while having no fault regardless of his decisions or actions at any point in this non-progressing process. While I readily see Alex screwed up with regards to the original deal (one error for failing to perform due diligence regarding the firearm permissions and one error for not sending the jaguar), I also see Alex as behaving the most flexibly in the interactions for both parties to come to terms.

As I see it, Mel should provide evidence that he possesses all of the snakes he was sent by Alex and then Alex, with confirmation of their current possession, should pay for the return shipping of all of the snakes that he sent to Mel. Additional caging was Mel's choice, although understandable. A boarding charge at this point seems a bit petty to me, but I can see both sides of that resource spend argument. Perhaps the big female can be offered by Alex as the compensation there since Mel has the cage and I would bet it would balance out (or best) actual food-water-electricity types of resource costs.
 
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