Bad Guy Garret Smith ( Scammer )

[Chris Kennard]

Thats an interesting statement…..Because Ive read your post on FB. People should read this post. https://www.facebook.com/jay.sommers.10/posts/1053698224662777

People don't know me or what I have, have done, kept bred etc, because I don't want them to….But here's the difference Jay. I really mean it!

You say this in your FB post but then go on sites telling everyone that you are the king. You've done it all. Just like you posted on this BOI. You have done more that me? How would you know? You don't know me.

King Jay? Kinda' has a nice ring to it. You have accomplished more than Jay. You got caight smuggling illegal tortoises, you shipped out Princeps that all but a tiny fraction died, and Jay has only one person disagreeing with him here. That speaks volumes!

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Chris I kinda like it King jay, KJ for short.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Chris I kinda like it King jay, KJ for short.

KJ is taken by one of the people I have come to respect and trust more than anyone, and coincidently, reminds me of you. Lodrigue. Besides, it is beneath a king to settle for initials or even nicknames. King Jay it is! Sorry moderators. I'll get back on track.

 

[spinytail]

Chris I know exactly how
Much barbata is because the exporter of the barbata that are in the US is DDI and the owner ( sander) is a close friend of mine. One that i entertain as my guest when he comes here. I am intimately aware of the cost of barbata in Europe and the U.S. also if you think I am on here because of Lynn you are really delusional. I hardly know him.
I am also experienced enough to have a general idea of how much an animal like hardwwickii is from an exporting country like pakistan. And I can guarantee you that they are not more than 100$ each.
So you mean to tell us that 6500.00 for 3.3 hardwwickii is the landed wholesale cost of this species? That's ridiculous. So what the retail cost is around $13000.00 ??!! For hardwwickii. Haha my god thays the most insane thing I've heard in ages

These are very good points to this discussion. I have been around long enough to see many common or easy to obtain species, stop being imported due to lack of interest (i.e. both barbata and hardwwickii) even if they are fairly priced. Recently I have seen these pop up at ridiculous prices, and here it looks as if that is what is happening. I personally have friends that share this same opinion of export prices out of pakistan are being inflated and that is why not sharing the details.

As for Jay's credibility here, he knows a LOT of people and has a LOT of contacts over the years, not to mention an amazing collection that yes he is very secretive about. Fyi, Jay and I crossed paths 10 years ago over some imports we both had interest in, otherwise we are not best friends nor collect reptiles together (just in case Garrett gets another private email we are blood brothers or something)

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

So Garrett you know that guy oh what's his name... Oh yeah Markus. I'm sure you know him. I think he is your partner.Here is a little note from him to me when he gave me a karma point a couple of days ago. Maybe you should talk to me with the same level of respect he does. Funny how well known I am internationally by people who have actually been around the hobby a while. I think at this point you have become a liability to Markus. I feel bad for him he is caught up in this whole mess.

 

[Chris Kennard]

These are very good points to this discussion. I have been around long enough to see many common or easy to obtain species, stop being imported due to lack of interest (i.e. both barbata and hardwwickii) even if they are fairly priced. Recently I have seen these pop up at ridiculous prices, and here it looks as if that is what is happening. I personally have friends that share this same opinion of export prices out of pakistan are being inflated and that is why not sharing the details.

As for Jay's credibility here, he knows a LOT of people and has a LOT of contacts over the years, not to mention an amazing collection that yes he is very secretive about. Fyi, Jay and I crossed paths 10 years ago over some imports we both had interest in, otherwise we are not best friends nor collect reptiles together (just in case Garrett gets another private email we are blood brothers or something)

Thank you for sharing. There's only one person here questioning Jay's credibility. How many seen and unseen do you suppose question Garrett's?

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

These are very good points to this discussion. I have been around long enough to see many common or easy to obtain species, stop being imported due to lack of interest (i.e. both barbata and hardwwickii) even if they are fairly priced. Recently I have seen these pop up at ridiculous prices, and here it looks as if that is what is happening. I personally have friends that share this same opinion of export prices out of pakistan are being inflated and that is why not sharing the details.

As for Jay's credibility here, he knows a LOT of people and has a LOT of contacts over the years, not to mention an amazing collection that yes he is very secretive about. Fyi, Jay and I crossed paths 10 years ago over some imports we both had interest in, otherwise we are not best friends nor collect reptiles together (just in case Garrett gets another private email we are blood brothers or something)

Thank you shane. I appreciate the comments. In fact Garrett you could go so far as to say Shane and I had bad words with each other and were not friends at all! But that's a long time ago and water under the bridge. I didn't even know you were still in the hobby. Glad to see you.
So as Shane said Garrett. I have an amazing collection. Maybe the biggest and best on the planet. I feel extremely fortunate and I do keep very private. That has both good and bad aspects to it. But regardless me having to prove myself to you has little bearing on this thread and what you are pulling.
I would say those prices are grossly inflated and frankly I would have never even brought the subject up except Garrett you stated that you were partners and Michael was getting them at cost. I am not interested in destroying the market by publicly addressing wholesale costs but when you say that 6500$ is cost for 3.3 hardwwickii I am calling bs.

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

So Garrett you know that guy oh what's his name... Oh yeah Markus. I'm sure you know him. I think he is your partner.Here is a little note from him to me when he gave me a karma point a couple of days ago. Maybe you should talk to me with the same level of respect he does. Funny how well known I am internationally by people who have actually been around the hobby a while. I think at this point you have become a liability to Markus. I feel bad for him he is caught up in this whole mess.

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Jay,
Dollars to doughnuts, Princess will ban you now.

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[RaceSanchez]

Jay, Do you have a website ?

Looks to be, your name come's up all across the nation as a Vendor in herp/reptile expos.... Also in Canada = )

 

[Chris Kennard]

If after the year mark, we would both be going after a refund. I didn't assume all the risk in this transaction.

I give animals at cost to Mike, I assume all the risk and when he gets impatient and wants out, I'm responsible to refund him? I don't think so……but after talking to his mother. I have came up with MANY options for him to cash out. He has been the most wishy washy person that I have met. I don't know what to do.

Garrett

"We would both be going after a refund"? Why are you ignoring this Garrett? Inquiring minds want to know. Is it your contention that if the Pakistani scams you that it's every man (victim) for himself? Not just Mike, but Markus as well as the others you aren't acknowledging you took money from? Simple question. Yes or no?

 

[Chris Kennard]

So if you "friend of a friend" Pakistani contact screws you, Mike has to go after the Pakistani for his money? You got the contact. Not Mike. You sent him all the money, not Mike or anyone else involved in the deal. Give him his "at cost" money back, and sell the Pakistani animals at market value. You'll be profiting, yes? You were certain enough the deal will happen to tell my I'll be eating crow pie. Sounds like a sure thing. No risk there, lol.

Guess you missed this post as well. A sound solution to this problem.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Jay, Do you have a website ?

Looks to be, your name come's up all across the nation as a Vendor in herp/reptile expos.... Also in Canada = )

No I like to keep a very low profile keep to myself. I do this so that when I get in debates with people like Garrett smith so they think they have more credibility and accomplish more than me. It makes them look that much more stupid and I savor that sweet feeling when they realize they are not as awesome and great as they think they are.
All joking aside I don't need a website nor do I advertise much but pm me and I'll get you my contact info. Don't want to get into trouble for breaking the rules here!

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

So Garrett you know that guy oh what's his name... Oh yeah Markus. I'm sure you know him. I think he is your partner.Here is a little note from him to me when he gave me a karma point a couple of days ago. Maybe you should talk to me with the same level of respect he does. Funny how well known I am internationally by people who have actually been around the hobby a while. I think at this point you have become a liability to Markus. I feel bad for him he is caught up in this whole mess.

Hey Princess,
How are things between you & your partner (Markus) today?

How are things between you and your other 4 partners today?

I don't know the facts involving Markus, BUT I do KNOW the facts about Michael and other 3 you owe & what's been going on recently.

So if you'd like me to fill in the rest of the blanks for everyone, keep up, evading the questions, excuses, lies, name calling, and the rest of your BS, and you'll leave me no other choice.

That's a PROMISE!

From a guy you never heard of, does the word connected ring a bell?

So again, curious minds want to know, WHEN are YOU, going to PAY those YOU OWE?

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

So Garrett you know that guy oh what's his name... Oh yeah Markus. I'm sure you know him. I think he is your partner.Here is a little note from him to me when he gave me a karma point a couple of days ago. Maybe you should talk to me with the same level of respect he does. Funny how well known I am internationally by people who have actually been around the hobby a while. I think at this point you have become a liability to Markus. I feel bad for him he is caught up in this whole mess.

Hey Princess,
How are things between you & your partner (Markus) today?

How are things between you and your other 4 partners today?

I don't know the facts involving Markus, BUT I do KNOW the facts about Michael and other 3 you owe & what's been going on recently.

So if you'd like me to fill in the rest of the blanks for everyone, keep up, evading the questions, excuses, lies, name calling, and the rest of your BS, and you'll leave me no other choice.

That's a PROMISE!

From a guy you never heard of, does the word connected ring a bell?

So again, curious minds want to know, WHEN are YOU, going to PAY those YOU OWE?

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

I don't know why it posted twice???

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[Chris Kennard]

Hey Princess,
How are things between you & your partner (Markus) today?

How are things between you and your other 4 partners today?

I don't know the facts involving Markus, BUT I do KNOW the facts about Michael and other 3 you owe & what's been going on recently.

So if you'd like me to fill in the rest of the blanks for everyone, keep up, evading the questions, excuses, lies, name calling, and the rest of your BS, and you'll leave me no other choice.

That's a PROMISE!

From a guy you never heard of, does the word connected ring a bell?

So again, curious minds want to know, WHEN are YOU, going to PAY those YOU OWE?

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

Looks like they'll all have to go to Pakistan for their refund.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Frogman was viewing for quite a while, and has left the building. I guess when the goin' gets tough, the untough get goin' (out of here). Time for some regrouping and behind the scenes damage control.

 

[Frogman11]

Jay,

Thank you for the laughs. Your comments are the funniest ones posted on this BOI to date. In reality you are on of the most delusional, narcissistic people that I have came across. You contradict and lie/make stuff up in almost everyone of your post. See, you started posting on this site to do what you do every time you post. You turn everything in to "THE JAY SOMMERS SHOW" "I know more, Ive done more, Ive been doing this longer etc" and then say. QUOTE:"I like to keep a very low profile keep to myself."QUOTE No you don't you love to say ""I know more, I've done more, I've been doing this longer etc"
When in REALITY you can't truly know these answers without knowing what the other person has accomplished. You just assume.

You started posting on this one saying "Im getting ready to blow this one up" Like you were trying to pull a rope-a-dope one me. Thats laughable. I have seen your MANY fights with people on the internet. For someone that wants to lay low that shouldn't be your MO.

Your greatest accomplishment that you posted is "Jays version":

QUOTE:Here's a good example for you Garrett. Gonatodes daudeni. Are you aware that I am the person that was contacted by the discoverer of that species and the non profit he reached out to. To inquire about what species it was? That's right. Me. When the missionary found that gecko on union I was the first person contacted. I informed them it was an undescribed species. I know the two Scientist that went to union and subsequently formally described the species as G. Daudeni. Also I obtained living specimens shortly there after. So over ten years ago I started keeping daudeni ,a gecko you think you think is super ultra rare. The animals you work with and think are cutting edge I think are yesterday's leftovers. That's just one of sooo many. See I am busy working on my animals not self promoting.

When in reality:In May 2005, the Rev. Mark de Silva, an amateur naturalist on the island, contacted Henderson and Powell about this possible new species of spotted lizard. Viewing de Silva's photographs, the scientists knew immediately the lizard hadn't been previously identified. In certain parts of the world, this type of discovery is not uncommon.

"Descriptions of new species happen every year," Henderson said. "But it happens much less often on smaller islands of the Lesser Antilles."

Much of the behavior and many characteristics of the lizard remain unknown. Henderson and Powell will travel back to Union Island in June for further research. Accompanied by undergraduate students, they will search for females of the species. So far, only male lizards have been collected.

"It's about getting down on your hands and knees and getting dirty," Henderson said about searching for the quick little lizards. "You're digging through leaf litter and it's hard to get your hands on them. You need a little bit of luck."

While luck plays a factor in finding the lizards, taking care not to harm the lizards while searching is also important. Being so small and delicate, Powell said the lizards are easily injured. The tropical environment also presents other dangers for the scientists to keep in mind.

"Scorpions and centipedes that occur in the same habitats [as the lizards] could deliver unpleasant stings and bites, even if they're not life-threatening," Powell said.

While two of the specimens collected in May and June remain at the Milwaukee Public Museum, one is being temporarily studied at the University of Texas-Arlington. Tissues will be taken for DNA testing to verify the lizard's genus and trace its closest relatives.

See, in reality they called Henderson and Powell NOT Jay. The full article can be found :http://www.mpm.edu/research-collections/vertebrate-zoology/new-species-west-indies

This is just one of Jays delusional accomplishments. From your statement of knowing everything and doing things longer as you state. You must have some sort of psychic power. I find this amazing. Can we test this with a few questions? You must know the answers because you've stated that you keep more, done more and have been doing thing longer than I.

1. What animals do I currently have now?
2. What animals have a bred?
3. How long have I been keeping reptiles?
4. How many fingers am I holding up?

With your powers these 4 questions should be super easy. I eagerly await your answers.

For anyone that has seen Jays many battles they are all the same. In the end he usually ends up threading the person in physical violence.

The reasons that you have never heard of me Jay, are.
1. Unlike you, I TRULY say low key and actually enjoy my animals. For example, on 10/1/15 I hatched a very rare gecko. I can't find any info of anyone that has hatched this gecko in captivity. I MIGHT be the only one in the US to do this. I doubt it. Can you use your powers to look in everyones house, business etc to see it this is true? Anyway, the people that know about this are my wife and 3 kids. Thats the difference between you and I Jay. FACT!

2. I have never had interest in Axolotls or anything else that you've had

You state you came on here to straighten me out on time line and price.

Timeline: Yes, I misspoke on my time line. I said reptiles have not been exported out of Pakistan for 10 to 15 years. I was referring to the animals that we are talking about on this BOI S Hardwickii and thanks to Markus it looks like it was around 17.

Price: You came on here to flex your knowledge about price of an animal, from a country that you have never exported from. Stating that your guesstimate comes from price lists from other countries? LOL Thanks for your insight but your not even close.

If anyone wants to meet Jay in person he will be at reptile shows in the southern California area with an empty booth, a sign over his booth that says "I'M JAY SOMMERS, COME CHECK ME OUT" Signing autographs.

Ok Jay, Did you get the attention that your looking for? Is the Jay Sommers show over? Because I have a person that backed out of a deal that I'm trying to find some sort of resolution for that I can afford at this time.

Garrett

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Haha. You couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Haha. You couldn't be more wrong.