Info Need some advice on a situation involving Alea Rodriguez.

[David Scarboro]

I'm saying Elexis took them in on a short term basis, here we are a year later almost and the girl has told her to send them back and also to keep them and its all over fb admin drama because Elexis wouldn't get involved in it. Honestly she pretty much HAS abandoned those reptiles, and doesn't seem fit in any way to even take them back currently. You want to add me to a "Do not deal with" list over stating my opinion? Go right ahead! My reputation in the reptile community is stellar, and I'm sure you adding me to your personal blacklist won't affect my buying or selling in any way shape or form as I already have set breeders I deal with, and my reputation is superb. I've never done a single thing bad for the safety of animals, or selling. I also wouldn't agree to take on someones animals for almost a year, there would be a set timeframe. That's pretty much adoption at this point.

So you are walking back the " because in the eyes of the LAW you have legally ABANDONED these animals a long time ago" statement. And although I do not buy or sell reptiles any more, yes, stating your opinion that it is ok to steal something belonging to someone else will get you on a lot of peoples lists.

 

[ElexisC]

So you are walking back the " because in the eyes of the LAW you have legally ABANDONED these animals a long time ago" statement. And although I do not buy or sell reptiles any more, yes, stating your opinion that it is ok to steal something belonging to someone else will get you on a lot of peoples lists.

No one is talking about stealing. You want to think I'm trying to keep them yet I've stated many times I DON'T WANT THEM. That I WON'T sell because she wants them back. I wanted clarification because that message was basically her saying go a head and keep them. So sorry I wanted advice and clarification, then she turned it into a pissing match and even lied a couple times to try to make it look worse on me.

It's easy to judge from the outside until you are the one treated so poorly for NO REASON and threatened FOR NO REASON when you have been doing someone a huge favor so they didn't have to sell their animals and know they were taken care of till she could get them back. I even tried to get her to take back the smaller ones months ago to help lighten the load and because she said she had tanks for them BUT filled them with other animals and used the "we might be moving soon and don't want to stress them too much" excuse to leave them in my care. But I sat back and let it roll because she was someone I considered a best friend. This was the last straw for me.

 

[bcr229]

Forgot that the owner had moved North. Still easy enough to safely ship the animals in the current temps. Elexis contact me if you need help with that or work with someone like SYR. They will expedite.

Actually I was going to suggest that Elexis find an experienced shipper local to her to help her get the snakes sent out. So far she hasn't said anything about the snakes's ages and sizes, just that they are balls and boas, and apparently one of the male boas is old and large enough for breeding.

Given the weather and holiday craziness this time of year I can understand her reticence with shipping now... and crazily enough, the only thing that she and the owner do agree on at the moment is that the snakes shouldn't be shipped until next spring.

 

[David Scarboro]

No one is talking about stealing. You want to think I'm trying to keep them yet I've stated many times I DON'T WANT THEM. That I WON'T sell because she wants them back. I wanted clarification because that message was basically her saying go a head and keep them. So sorry I wanted advice and clarification, then she turned it into a pissing match and even lied a couple times to try to make it look worse on me.

It's easy to judge from the outside until you are the one treated so poorly for NO REASON and threatened FOR NO REASON when you have been doing someone a huge favor so they didn't have to sell their animals and know they were taken care of till she could get them back. I even tried to get her to take back the smaller ones months ago to help lighten the load and because she said she had tanks for them BUT filled them with other animals and used the "we might be moving soon and don't want to stress them too much" excuse to leave them in my care. But I sat back and let it roll because she was someone I considered a best friend. This was the last straw for me.

I think stealing was brought up when Sociopath wrote "Personally, if I was Elexis, I'd just block your dramatic ass and be done with it all, because in the eyes of the LAW you have legally ABANDONED these animals a long time ago". Threatening, or advocating to take something that is not yours under false legal pretenses is certainly stealing. You din't say it Elexis, but Sociopath certainly did.

 

[ElexisC]

Actually I was going to suggest that Elexis find an experienced shipper local to her to help her get the snakes sent out. So far she hasn't said anything about the snakes's ages and sizes, just that they are balls and boas, and apparently one of the male boas is old and large enough for breeding.

Given the weather and holiday craziness this time of year I can understand her reticence with shipping now... and crazily enough, the only thing that she and the owner do agree on at the moment is that the snakes shouldn't be shipped until next spring.

The balls are what she took in. I have of hers a Brazilian rainbow boa male 2013 I believe, a male 2013 carpet python and 2013 female irina jaya both seem very small for their age, 2013 female dumerils boa, 2012 tiny female hypo boa, and a 2012 or 2011 bcc/bci male boa.

I wanted her to take the carpets and the tiny hypo back during the spring or summer but she wouldn't and filled those cages.

 

[sociopath]

So you are walking back the " because in the eyes of the LAW you have legally ABANDONED these animals a long time ago" statement. And although I do not buy or sell reptiles any more, yes, stating your opinion that it is ok to steal something belonging to someone else will get you on a lot of peoples lists.

Abandonment is stealing? Yeah ok buddy. Nice world you live in, do they sell tickets to this fairytale land? How is she trying to steal them when I've seen her state atleast 10x she has no issues giving them back? Also, now is neglect even justifiable??? You act like the other girl in question hasn't flat out said she should have just sold them, ect. SHE CLEARLY CARES ABOUT THEIR WELLBEING, shown by such statements and essentially abandoning them for almost a year. Debating this with you is quickly becoming the same as spitting into the wind. I've stated my opinion, I'm not going to debate it any more with you just because you disagree, go play with your ball pythons or something.

 

[David Scarboro]

Abandonment is stealing? Yeah ok buddy. Nice world you live in, do they sell tickets to this fairytale land? How is she trying to steal them when I've seen her state atleast 10x she has no issues giving them back? Also, now is neglect even justifiable??? You act like the other girl in question hasn't flat out said she should have just sold them, ect. SHE CLEARLY CARES ABOUT THEIR WELLBEING, shown by such statements and essentially abandoning them for almost a year. Debating this with you is quickly becoming the same as spitting into the wind. I've stated my opinion, I'm not going to debate it any more with you just because you disagree, go play with your ball pythons or something.

You suggested that she keep the snakes as they had been abandoned. You even said that was legal. It isn't. I do not mind debating YOU, pretty easy actually. And if she is so hot to give them back, why does she keep asking if they have been relinquished by the other persons actions. I am certainly not holding up for the other party, she however has had no one jump to her aid while spouting ridiculous legal reasoning.

 

[snowgyre]

I suggest we all stop posting on here until a week or so goes by and cools some tempers. This is rapidly turning into an opinion free-for-all when in reality, Elexis and Alea need to come to an agreement on their own.

Overnight shipping temperatures are below freezing. Although I have successfully shipped animals at that temperature, I completely understand the reluctance to do so. This combined with the holiday shipping traffic, I could not recommend returning the animals right now.

Ownership is quite clear: Elexis doesn't want the animals and Alea wants them back. Neither party seems to think it's a good idea to ship right now, which is fine. Elexis, because you volunteered to take care of the animals up to this point, it is not reasonable to expect payment for your efforts unless Alea volunteers to pay that debt. However, it is reasonable to expect payment from the termination of your agreement (aka now) until the snakes can be safely shipped.

I suggest Elexis and Alea settle on a reasonable shipping window during the spring and come to an agreement about the cost of care for the animals until then. Once these decisions have been made, then we can revisit this thread. Until then, the back and forth is not really useful.

 

[ElexisC]

You suggested that she keep the snakes as they had been abandoned. You even said that was legal. It isn't. I do not mind debating YOU, pretty easy actually. And if she is so hot to give them back, why does she keep asking if they have been relinquished by the other persons actions. I am certainly not holding up for the other party, she however has had no one jump to her aid while spouting ridiculous legal reasoning.

If you noticed I let that go, I'm not asking about that anymore, so you can stop insinuating that I am, I wanted clarification so I could go from there. Now drop it I DON'T WANT THE SNAKES!!!!!

 

[sociopath]

You suggested that she keep the snakes as they had been abandoned. You even said that was legal. It isn't. I do not mind debating YOU, pretty easy actually. And if she is so hot to give them back, why does she keep asking if they have been relinquished by the other persons actions. I am certainly not holding up for the other party, she however has had no one jump to her aid while spouting ridiculous legal reasoning.

I'm sure you don't mind debating me, your post history is nothing but negaive comments and arguments in BOI's. Nice life man.

 

[ElexisC]

I suggest we all stop posting on here until a week or so goes by and cools some tempers. This is rapidly turning into an opinion free-for-all when in reality, Elexis and Alea need to come to an agreement on their own.

Overnight shipping temperatures are below freezing. Although I have successfully shipped animals at that temperature, I completely understand the reluctance to do so. This combined with the holiday shipping traffic, I could not recommend returning the animals right now.

Ownership is quite clear: Elexis doesn't want the animals and Alea wants them back. Neither party seems to think it's a good idea to ship right now, which is fine. Elexis, because you volunteered to take care of the animals up to this point, it is not reasonable to expect payment for your efforts unless Alea volunteers to pay that debt. However, it is reasonable to expect payment from the termination of your agreement (aka now) until the snakes can be safely shipped.

I suggest Elexis and Alea settle on a reasonable shipping window during the spring and come to an agreement about the cost of care for the animals until then. Once these decisions have been made, then we can revisit this thread. Until then, the back and forth is not really useful.

And if people read what I said, I did it for free until now, that from now on I want compensation not compensation for the past. I'll call the 110.25 even for the Hypo female she gave me. They were fed today, I will count that as the start of the time to be compensated until they are returned. I don't even charge much for my rats. The biggest eats mediums every 3 weeks and I charge $1.75 for those. It's not all that of a ridiculous amount I'm asking for now. But if that's even still seen as a "bad" thing to do whatever I guess I'll just continue to be used.

Again I tried to get her to take the 3 smallest back during the summer and she REFUSED. They didn't move, and she filled those cages with other animals, tell me how that's not abandonment, but either way I do NOT want them. Unless she says to keep them/sell them they will go back to her when the weather permits. If I ship now like everyone seems to want me to and they get held up or lost and arrive dead who will you blame? ME that's who. I'm not risking the animals health just to make her happy, why is that a bad thing?

 

[David Scarboro]

I'm sure you don't mind debating me, your post history is nothing but negaive comments and arguments in BOI's. Nice life man.

Actually I have a great life. You were impressed enough to check me out. If you looked closely, I have outed a number of scammers and idiots. Now, You said you would not debate anymore...

 

[David Scarboro]

And if people read what I said, I did it for free until now, that from now on I want compensation not compensation for the past. I'll call the 110.25 even for the Hypo female she gave me. They were fed today, I will count that as the start of the time to be compensated until they are returned. I don't even charge much for my rats. The biggest eats mediums every 3 weeks and I charge $1.75 for those. It's not all that of a ridiculous amount I'm asking for now. But if that's even still seen as a "bad" thing to do whatever I guess I'll just continue to be used.

Again I tried to get her to take the 3 smallest back during the summer and she REFUSED. They didn't move, and she filled those cages with other animals, tell me how that's not abandonment, but either way I do NOT want them. Unless she says to keep them/sell them they will go back to her when the weather permits. If I ship now like everyone seems to want me to and they get held up or lost and arrive dead who will you blame? ME that's who. I'm not risking the animals health just to make her happy, why is that a bad thing?

That sounds fair.

 

[ElexisC]

That sounds fair.

These are the prices everyone pays when they buy my rats, does it seem so ridiculous now? I'm not asking for $100 a month. I'm just asking for my rats back, which everyone thought was reasonable when Mr Kruger wanted to charge outrageous prices for the rats for the snakes he actually stole.

 

[David Scarboro]

Actually I have a great life. You were impressed enough to check me out. If you looked closely, I have outed a number of scammers and idiots. Now, You said you would not debate anymore...

To be honest, the above statement should read I have helped to out a number of scammers and idiots.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I tried to be civil. Yea when she went off on me I went off back, but after a couple days I tried to be civil and she started her crap again. I didn't want it to come to this but I needed advice. Many have told me to just keep them, I do not want them. Others agree with me charging for their care from here on out, seems some here do not. Sorry but I'm not going to be walked all over by someone because they had a bad day. Her snakes are happy and healthy and have grown quite a bit since coming here in april. I could have let it all go had she not threatened me for something I wasn't even planning on doing. She says I threatened her? Where? Please someone show me a threat I made to her?

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I have no desire to dwell on the drama presented here or play relationship counselor. Since this is a business forum the statement in bold should be the only question to address.

The opinion of others of what is the correct way to proceed is the question.

The agreement was to house the snakes until other arraignments can be made. I see no timeline for that situation to end mentioned. It was open-ended to the situation could be resolved. The only payment mention was a free snake for their care and it appears neither is contesting that.

As stated the snakes would be sent back and there was no issue until the relationship took a turn. This agreement is to end.

You state you will not ship them back now impart because of weather and your inability to ship them. That you have never shipped. She states she doesn't want you to ship right now anyways. To wait to spring.

You are both in agreement on that point. Since the friendship and agreement has ended at this point you should ship back as soon as you believe it is save to do so. Neither of you disagree on this. You were paid for this agreement with the one snake.

My opinion (And that is what you are asking people to give) is that now to charge a fee until spring is just vindictive and petty for the falling out of the relation and feeling hurt over the actions that have taken place. My opinion would be different if you wanted to end this arrangement now and were willing to send the snakes back and she didn't want to accept them now but you aren't willing to send them back now even if she wanted them now. In fact forcing her to agree to a fee that none agreed to. The decision to keep them at your place is yours.

Your done wit this situation but are unwilling to end it right now because of your unwillingness or inability to ship. When it comes time that you are comfortable to ship back and are willing to do so, if she isn't then I would state other options are on the table. You shouldn't be required to continue doing this beyond the time you are willing to end the situation.

All the other drama I have no comment on. The decision to just keep her snakes are not ship them to her based on her plans for them when they arrive are irrelevant. It isn't your business as far as their housing is concerned. It will be her responsibility for their care once they arrive safely back with their owner.

OK, I'll dive a little into the drama.

She seemed a little off her rocker in her responses to you. I wouldn't want to carry on the arraignment either but you have to be willing to end that arraignment by sending the snakes back. Not keep them for a time and set a new fee for doing so.

 

[Reptar]

Wow!!! I have never read such drama and such unwillingness to resolve a simple conflict two adults should be able to handle. From where I'm standing we have the owner who wants the snake back but on her terms, and we have some one taking care of the snakes that might be looking to justify keeping them.

Person taking care of the snakes, ship them back asap. I went out to sea for 6 month and had a buddy of mine watch my reptiles, in return I gave him a female BEL baby ball python. No money exchanged hands just two adults that agreed on the terms ahead of time.

Owner of the snake if you want them back take them back now, it's plain and simple to everyone else here. Why on earth would someone allow someone else they apparently don't trust to keep their snakes any longer than is needed.

Also if caging is an issue please use temporary caging. I quarantine any new snakes in drilled sterilite containers with UTH attached to a cheap hydrofarm for 3 months without a problem.

Regards,
Mario Barros
UBC

 

[ElexisC]

I have no desire to dwell on the drama presented here or play relationship counselor. Since this is a business forum the statement in bold should be the only question to address.

The opinion of others of what is the correct way to proceed is the question.

The agreement was to house the snakes until other arraignments can be made. I see no timeline for that situation to end mentioned. It was open-ended to the situation could be resolved. The only payment mention was a free snake for their care and it appears neither is contesting that.

As stated the snakes would be sent back and there was no issue until the relationship took a turn. This agreement is to end.

You state you will not ship them back now impart because of weather and your inability to ship them. That you have never shipped. She states she doesn't want you to ship right now anyways. To wait to spring.

You are both in agreement on that point. Since the friendship and agreement has ended at this point you should ship back as soon as you believe it is save to do so. Neither of you disagree on this. You were paid for this agreement with the one snake.

My opinion (And that is what you are asking people to give) is that now to charge a fee until spring is just vindictive and petty for the falling out of the relation and feeling hurt over the actions that have taken place. My opinion would be different if you wanted to end this arrangement now and were willing to send the snakes back and she didn't want to accept them now but you aren't willing to send them back now even if she wanted them now. In fact forcing her to agree to a fee that none agreed to. The decision to keep them at your place is yours.

Your done wit this situation but are unwilling to end it right now because of your unwillingness or inability to ship. When it comes time that you are comfortable to ship back and are willing to do so, if she isn't then I would state other options are on the table. You shouldn't be required to continue doing this beyond the time you are willing to end the situation.

All the other drama I have no comment on. The decision to just keep her snakes are not ship them to her based on her plans for them when they arrive are irrelevant. It isn't your business as far as their housing is concerned. It will be her responsibility for their care once they arrive safely back with their owner.

OK, I'll dive a little into the drama.

She seemed a little off her rocker in her responses to you. I wouldn't want to carry on the arraignment either but you have to be willing to end that arraignment by sending the snakes back. Not keep them for a time and set a new fee for doing so.

Actually she gave me the hypo because she felt she would make a good breeder and wanted her to be more than just a pet, I can dig for that message if you'd like proof, here she stated she gave her as payment, not true.

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[ElexisC]

I have no desire to dwell on the drama presented here or play relationship counselor. Since this is a business forum the statement in bold should be the only question to address.

The opinion of others of what is the correct way to proceed is the question.

The agreement was to house the snakes until other arraignments can be made. I see no timeline for that situation to end mentioned. It was open-ended to the situation could be resolved. The only payment mention was a free snake for their care and it appears neither is contesting that.

As stated the snakes would be sent back and there was no issue until the relationship took a turn. This agreement is to end.

You state you will not ship them back now impart because of weather and your inability to ship them. That you have never shipped. She states she doesn't want you to ship right now anyways. To wait to spring.

You are both in agreement on that point. Since the friendship and agreement has ended at this point you should ship back as soon as you believe it is save to do so. Neither of you disagree on this. You were paid for this agreement with the one snake.

My opinion (And that is what you are asking people to give) is that now to charge a fee until spring is just vindictive and petty for the falling out of the relation and feeling hurt over the actions that have taken place. My opinion would be different if you wanted to end this arrangement now and were willing to send the snakes back and she didn't want to accept them now but you aren't willing to send them back now even if she wanted them now. In fact forcing her to agree to a fee that none agreed to. The decision to keep them at your place is yours.

Your done wit this situation but are unwilling to end it right now because of your unwillingness or inability to ship. When it comes time that you are comfortable to ship back and are willing to do so, if she isn't then I would state other options are on the table. You shouldn't be required to continue doing this beyond the time you are willing to end the situation.

All the other drama I have no comment on. The decision to just keep her snakes are not ship them to her based on her plans for them when they arrive are irrelevant. It isn't your business as far as their housing is concerned. It will be her responsibility for their care once they arrive safely back with their owner.

OK, I'll dive a little into the drama.

She seemed a little off her rocker in her responses to you. I wouldn't want to carry on the arraignment either but you have to be willing to end that arraignment by sending the snakes back. Not keep them for a time and set a new fee for doing so.

Also we had previously agreed she would get them back in the spring, she has said she doesn't want them now as its too cold to ship, I do not want to put their lives at risk by shipping. I don't know what else to do. 8-9 months of rats was 110.25. If she gets them in april that's only 5 months, if she can get them back sooner that's even less. So honestly it's not an outrageous amount I'm asking for.

 

[ElexisC]

Wow!!! I have never read such drama and such unwillingness to resolve a simple conflict two adults should be able to handle. From where I'm standing we have the owner who wants the snake back but on her terms, and we have some one taking care of the snakes that might be looking to justify keeping them.

Person taking care of the snakes, ship them back asap. I went out to sea for 6 month and had a buddy of mine watch my reptiles, in return I gave him a female BEL baby ball python. No money exchanged hands just two adults that agreed on the terms ahead of time.

Owner of the snake if you want them back take them back now, it's plain and simple to everyone else here. Why on earth would someone allow someone else they apparently don't trust to keep their snakes any longer than is needed.

Also if caging is an issue please use temporary caging. I quarantine any new snakes in drilled sterilite containers with UTH attached to a cheap hydrofarm for 3 months without a problem.

Regards,
Mario Barros
UBC

Did you even read the thread? I DON'T WANT THE EFFING SNAKES!!!!!!'

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