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Bad Guy Jeremy Pierce/Kansas

I have only one question. How do we know Mr. Pierce was even in this deal?

The Ms. Easley did not actually see the receipt for the snakes nor buy them. This mysterious third party did.

I get that she walked away from the thread, ok. But we don't even know who was actually involved.

For all Ms. Easley knows, they could have come from china. And what if she wanted to breed the animals in question. I keep detailed records about each of my animals so if any breeding would happen in the future, I can point out dates, times, breeders, and lines.
 
I wonder if Jeremy Pierce was notified of the thread and could chime in... I would appreciate his side of the story, especially since the OP supposedly won't be commenting further
 
I sent a notification to the email address appearing on the screen shot in post 8.
 
Bobby Douglass said:
Even if one of these stories is true, the op didn't buy anything from Jeremy and he owes her nothing. She needs to seek compensation from the person she sent her rattlesnakes to.
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This. The OP has no business with the alleged Mr. Pierce. None. He owes her nothing, which she's given him nothing in exchange for, lol. They never had a transaction in the first place.

If anyone should be here posting this thread, it is the erstwhile "ghost broker" who actually MADE THE PURCHASE FROM MR. PIERCE.

The only person the OP had any business posting a Bad Guy thread about is her broker, if in fact he refused to rectify a situation that the OP found unsatisfactory. Which she didn't, because she apparently took the snakes home with her. So..... ?
 
I'm just going to take a stab at this here.... her stories are all jumbled up..... what I got from this....
1. She sold 2 rattle snakes to someone who bought these 2 bull snakes as a sexed pair and is upset they aren't male and female and have mites.
2. She contacted the original seller and has heard nothing back from who's suppose to be the original seller.
3. She was there when the box was received, opened, and the animals were sexed.
4. She took said animals home and contacted the original seller about the wrong genders on one.
5. The animals were received the wrong sex and one with mites.

As for time line she never mentioned a thing about it.

Ultimately the only mistake the "broker" made was buying from said person if all this is true.

The OP made a few mistakes. Her first was making this deal in the first place....

That's what I got from this

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Correction she sold 2 rattle snakes and these were payment for the 2 rattle snakes

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I agree with Maela's posts #45 and #46.

It appears that the OP used a poor choice of wording in her first post which threw everyone off, IMHO. She should have simply said that she was a "participant in a three way deal" (not a "broker"), and then said that she traded two rattlesnakes for two patternless Bull snakes which were bought specifically for this trade FROM a third party (Jeremy Pierce) BY the recipient of her rattlesnakes whom she will not name for some very strange reason. The Bull snakes were received from their seller, Jeremy Pierce, and opened by the OP in the presence of the mystery fellow who purchased them for the swap, and were received with mites present on one of the animals.

The above is my interpretation of the whole mess.

She should have had the unnamed receiver of the Rattlesnakes show up at her house with the patternless Bull snakes already in hand and THEN given him the Rattlesnakes. If the Bull snakes were then observed in the condition described and shown in the picture upon her first seeing them when presented for the trade, she could have refused the deal entirely on the spot and would not be any the worse off. The entire problem would then simply be between Jeremy Pierce and the mystery man and she would still have her Rattlesnakes.
 
I'm confused on why didn't the person getting the rattlesnakes just pay the $300 + shipping for the rattlesnakes instead of searching for these snakes and paying for them and shipping them. Sounds like a lot of extra work for no reason.
 
AGREED. And looking back, the OP left herself no recourse because she gave up her animals before even seeing the Bull snakes, and the transaction for the Bull snakes' purchase was between the other 2 parties and had absolutely nothing to do with her other than she was to be the end user of the Bull snakes. It is no wonder this Jeremy Pierce hasn't shown up to defend himself. He had no business relationship with the OP whatsoever.

If the mystery Rattlesnake guy who bought those Bull snakes for the trade-off was a stand-up guy, HE would be calling out Jeremy Pierce, and should have done so the day those snakes arrived rather than letting the poor OP try to deal with it. The mystery guy had a true business relationship with BOTH Jeremy Pierce and the OP so he is the one who should deal with the problem which resulted.
 
The person this is about has been notified rather they choose to comment or not is on them either way they are aware.

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zovick said:
It appears that the OP used a poor choice of wording in her first post which threw everyone off, IMHO.
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I think one would have to be waayyyy too willing to ignore glaring contradictions to try to simplify this into a matter of being just a poor choice of wording in her initial post. It's at least as likely (realistically, I think a LOT more) that she simply tripped herself up over adding details that have little to no basis in reality.
soooeee said:
.....his phone is disconnected and I do not have his email as I went through another collector to get these.
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soooeee said:
He forwarded me Jeremy's contact info only as an address and an email, but my AT&T phone went to crap and I lost the contact info.
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Notice how the first quote appears to be citing the convoluted brokering situation as the reason she doesn't - ostensibly, never did - have the contact info? No mention of any phone issues that led to her having it and losing it. Considering just how big a part of the story that she ended up making her phone/tablet into, it seems like she would have just mentioned it in the beginning. Just one of multiple puzzle pieces in here that, while not wholly damning when viewed in a vacuum, sure look like they fit together into a picture that doesn't make her appear remotely credible. Kinda like the idea that both her and this supposed third party apparently happened to clear out any email client folders that may contain some documentation of anything she's saying. Seems like a convenient bit of happenstance.
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It is no wonder this Jeremy Pierce hasn't shown up to defend himself. He had no business relationship with the OP whatsoever.
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To me, this is the only aspect that makes me think there may be any truth to the OP's claims that Jeremy's responsible for the mites and missexing. I also emailed him a couple of days ago, with no reply. It's possible that he no longer uses the email address that he provided in an ad from only 5 months ago, but I still can't help thinking his absence is a little conspicuous. No matter who the deal was actually with, having your name in the title of a BOI Bad Guy thread seems like something that someone who's done no wrong would want to address.
 
tim brophy said:
Perhaps the rattlesnake recipient will not be named due to illegality of keeping venomous in some states.
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Now that is a good point...just speculation, but it would explain the mysterious middleman and the hiding of his identity. Would a "trade" for prohibited animals somehow be less problematic than outright buying them? Maybe that explains some of the convolutions of the whole deal.

I also agree the OP's absence says a lot. I think there is more to this story than is being told.


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I don't know about anyone else, but I don't usually have someone else purchase my animals for me and then show up at their house when the box arrives. If it's simply the rattlesnakes that is the issue, she could have just said traded for some other snakes and we'd be none the wiser. The sender may well be guilty but the story is so full of holes none of us will ever know what really happened.
 
I've read and see nothing strange about the OP's story. I have seen many people do deals like that.. where you want something that the person buying from you can get but you can't for whatevere reasons.

the only part that was a little off was the receiving/inspection part of the animals with the midle man and she explained that..
the illegal rattle snakes is a good point and possible too..

but the way her deal went down , is totaly normal..
here a two examples just with my experiences;

a guy was selling/trading 5 ETBs but did not want $$$, he wanted a pair of pied ball pythons.. so i found and paid for the pieds, delivered them and took the ETBs. he just did not know anyone who sold any or wanted to bother with the shipping part ??

another time , two guys in two difenrent provinces wanted 7 ATBs one guy near me was selling, but the guy did not want to ship them.. so i helped them get the snakes by picking them up, paying for them and shipping them to the first guy who in turn shipped out the ones that other guy was taking when ready for them..

these are just two examples, i could add a bunch more !!! many people do multiple trades by having others get what one needs or wants, nothing weird or strange about it..
of course the best option is to deal your own, but the way i see this story going..
even if rattle snake guy would have paid her and give her the contact to buy the snakes herself !! they still would have showed up in this condition..

maybe rattle snake guy was owed and got a better deal on the snakes she wanted, maybe even for free!!! but she was happy with what she should have got in return , so a win win for all, except in this instance, she got two males and mites :(
could be a value reason as to why rattle snake guy had them ship to his place ??

maybe she just trusted rattle guy better and wanted him to sex and inspect them for her too..
I see no problems with the OP, she did get edgy , but that can be due to the questions and nick picking about the details she wasn't clear enough about while trying to warn people about the condition of the animals she got.
 
Stephane, the nature of the deal in any of the presented storylines is not odd to me in and of itself. What comes off as odd or questionable to me is the divergence of storylines across multiple posts when describing the same single deal. It could be that the final storyline was the most accurate, but it would then have been preceded by false or inaccurate storylines. If that is the case, why? Since not much has been provided, I am not moved to accept any particular storyline out of hand. The witholding of information may also be a matter of concern for some. There is another bit that seems weird to me, but it could also be due to careless wording, so I have not pursued it.
 
Also, I am unsympathetic to "my-word-is-law" argumentation positions when that serves as the crux of one person's case against another. Especially followed by anger for being questioned in inconsistant wording across multiple provisions of wording. That is as good as a witchcraft accusation to me. I understand that sometimes relayed account is all a person can offer. If so, it had better be a consistent account at the least (and I still would not burn anybody over it). Since details have been omitted, I will not rush to settle on taking a particular side of this. That is fair to both the accuser and the accused.
 
I hear you Nickolas, and I agree that she should have proof to back her side of it, this is important.. she however doesn't have any except pictures of snakes..

What i was refering too was more of the how this deal went to be..

I didn't see too much back pedling or felt she changed the story all that much. I saw it as explaining the chain of events that she badly executed the first time.. to me, this can be explained by posting too fast and not thinking out all the details clearly for others to understand. Something that is easy to do when one knows what he wants to explain but lack the ability to do so clearly or posts in a rush.. making a mistake like that in the BOI often results in looking as if the story changes,lying and it's hard to correct it.

would be nice for the shipper of these snakes to chim in, but I doubt he would have anymore infor or emails to exchange than the OP does !! in the end this will remain a she said he said.. and as you said taking sides is not possible to remain fair..

for me, I couldn't even deal with the seller because of where i live, but i would use caution if i could simply because he hasn't replied here to explain his side..
 
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