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Inquiry Jay Sommers- legal naultinus geckos??

Fangthane said:
Considering that you're the one who made it a point to start this thread, I'd think you'd care about being supplied with the proof you'd asked for. Unless, of course, this thread was started solely to try to take some heat off of you and your federal indictments - you know, the ones that supposedly never happened.

Unless someone who's well-versed in FWS documents comes forward and makes a compelling case that the ones provided have been falsified in some way, it definitely looks like you got just what you wanted.
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I am extremely well versed. And I can assure you that these are legit. And I have all documents for these geckos tracing their parental lineage to legal export out of New Zealand I also have the cites docs for them and the authorization to export from the New Zealand doc ( department of conservation) I have even more than that. See I have been doing this along time and I know exactly what im doing. Im actually a specialist at it.

So barry what's the next move for you and your teammate mike matson??? Throw every thing you can at me to deflect??? I can take it this isn't my first rodeo.
 
Fangthane said:
Considering that you're the one who made it a point to start this thread, I'd think you'd care about being supplied with the proof you'd asked for. Unless, of course, this thread was started solely to try to take some heat off of you and your federal indictments - you know, the ones that supposedly never happened.

Unless someone who's well-versed in FWS documents comes forward and makes a compelling case that the ones provided have been falsified in some way, it definitely looks like you got just what you wanted.
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He asked me to start the thread and so I did. I guess he needed the long drawn out attention before showing proof. My post on him was as necessary as his on me seeing how mine is public info and just wasted everyone's time. Everyone who knows me and been a customer knows about me and doesn't effect their decision. Especially when one sees all the positive feedback on the BOI. Paul, aka:Jay does this for a living whereas I don't so I thought it to be important people see he can back himself. Even if it does take a full day and 40 posts later.
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
He asked me to start the thread and so I did. I guess he needed the long drawn out attention before showing proof. My post on him was as necessary as his on me seeing how mine is public info and just wasted everyone's time. Everyone who knows me and been a customer knows about me and doesn't effect their decision. Especially when one sees all the positive feedback on the BOI. Paul, aka:Jay does this for a living whereas I don't so I thought it to be important people see he can back himself. Even if it does take a full day and 40 posts later.
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I told you to post because you haven't shut up about my naultinus for almost a year.
You did this so i could prove to the world I can back myself up?? Haha I easily can.
You think posting my legal docs to the world is a comparable act as your indictments for smuggling? Do you not realize the opposite ends of the Spectrum( pun intended) you think your proof of indictments are equal in comparison to my proof of the most legal and legit naultinus in captivity outside New Zealand and kne other collection in Europe? Yes we are practically brothers in arms much like an angel and a demon.
Or a cop and a criminal.
 
btmexotics said:
I am extremely well versed. And I can assure you that these are legit. And I have all documents for these geckos tracing their parental lineage to legal export out of New Zealand I also have the cites docs for them and the authorization to export from the New Zealand doc ( department of conservation) I have even more than that. See I have been doing this along time and I know exactly what im doing. Im actually a specialist at it.

So barry what's the next move for you and your teammate mike matson??? Throw every thing you can at me to deflect??? I can take it this isn't my first rodeo.
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"Im a specialist" lol. Your prob the most humble guy I know Paul. At the end of the day who really cares besides you Jay? I've worked with almost every Chelonian just short of a ploughshare and had my galaps on the tonight show. Big whoop. Brag all you want. There's lots of Sharohke's out there who you've chased off. Still doesn't take away the fact that you knew the kaisers were in poor health yet sold them anyway. Does all your "specialty" make you legit or ethical? Nope. It only matters how the buyers are treated. Period. As for Mike, he's got his own beef with you and I'm sure you haven't heard the last of him. Haha!! As for me, peace out.
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
"Im a specialist" lol. Your prob the most humble guy I know Paul. At the end of the day who really cares besides you Jay? I've worked with almost every Chelonian just short of a ploughshare and had my galaps on the tonight show. Big whoop. Brag all you want. There's lots of Sharohke's out there who you've chased off. Still doesn't take away the fact that you knew the kaisers were in poor health yet sold them anyway. Does all your "specialty" make you legit or ethical? Nope. It only matters how the buyers are treated. Period. As for Mike, he's got his own beef with you and I'm sure you haven't heard the last of him. Haha!! As for me, peace out.
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I am a specialist. And I actually mjnd my own business( usually) and frankly you think I am arrogant but the only reason anyone ever says that about me is because I am forced into a position to defend my credibility. And sorry Barry but my accomplishments are the best defense of my credibility.
Not arrogant at all most people in the honby have never heard of me and I like it that way.
More people like sherock? Or however his name is spelled? Yes unfortunately for the hobbu there are too many like him. You and mike. Yes I can't wait to hear from your fellow bully mike matson.
 
btmexotics said:
I told you to post because you haven't shut up about my naultinus for almost a year.
You did this so i could prove to the world I can back myself up?? Haha I easily can.
You think posting my legal docs to the world is a comparable act as your indictments for smuggling? Do you not realize the opposite ends of the Spectrum( pun intended) you think your proof of indictments are equal in comparison to my proof of the most legal and legit naultinus in captivity outside New Zealand and kne other collection in Europe? Yes we are practically brothers in arms much like an angel and a demon.
Or a cop and a criminal.
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Oh ya, your a real Saint. Haha!!! You do all your paperwork legit yet screw people out of their money for selling known sick animals. Eh, I buy 9 reptiles and get fined and no jail. Or I could be you and live in the shadows behind a computer screen and take people's money for dying newts. Yep, I'll take my route. At least I know that people who buy anything from me are happy. Can't say that about you. And then have the gall to bash them over it. Haha. Yep, your the winner Paul. Hahahahaha!!
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
Even if it does take a full day and 40 posts later.
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I know clocks are complicated contraptions, but it actually took under 5 hours for the proof to be posted once this thread was started. I don't like that it was drawn out like it was, but all you ultimately accomplished was helping him boost his credibility rating. Yours, on the other hand...:toiletcla
 
Fangthane said:
I know clocks are complicated contraptions, but it actually took under 5 hours for the proof to be posted once this thread was started. I don't like that it was drawn out like it was, but all you ultimately accomplished was helping him boost his credibility rating. Yours, on the other hand...:toiletcla
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Listen it's a lot faster for me to respond to this ridiculous thread on mh phone while I'm working on animals, taking care of kids, cooking dinner for
My girlfriend who just had a baby on Friday. Than it is for me to stop everything go to the computer and redact sensitive personal information so I can post it and prove im right??? Over something that's nobody's business. But I did it. And look at the way Barry is still acting and reacting. And he talks to me about ethics? The guy with endictments for smuggling is attacking my ethics? And making me prove the legitimacy of my animals? That's the real joke.
 
Fangthane said:
I know clocks are complicated contraptions, but it actually took under 5 hours for the proof to be posted once this thread was started. I don't like that it was drawn out like it was, but all you ultimately accomplished was helping him boost his credibility rating. Yours, on the other hand...:toiletcla
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Thanks for your 2 cents Dan but all of Pauls drama won't effect me. People will see all the positive feedback over the years I've receive and worked hard to redeem. I don't do it for a living. He does. Plus like I said, what's less ethical, buying 9 reptiles over a decade ago or scamming a poor guy out of $600+ for selling him newts he knew was sick? Don't really care what you think of me really.
 
btmexotics said:
It's paul and jay. You can call me Mr. Sommers the guy who just proved you wrong.What's your point? You are literally one of the most immature people I have ever experienced.
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That's the biggest pot calling the kettle black I've ever heard. Haha!!! Go tend to the baby Paul. I'd hate to think I'm stealing their "specialist" away from them. Lol!!!
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
Thanks for your 2 cents Dan but all of Pauls drama won't effect me. People will see all the positive feedback over the years I've receive and worked hard to redeem. I don't do it for a living. He does. Plus like I said, what's less ethical, buying 9 reptiles over a decade ago or scamming a poor guy out of $600+ for selling him newts he knew was sick? Don't really care what you think of me really.
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Yes poor guy. Doesn't have good luck
With his aquatic amphibians. Many things could have killed them. Live arrival guaranteed along with perfect health. Always mh guarantee. He got that. And then some. I welcome his boi post about me. I will
Discredit him just like I did you. And just like I will
To your partner mike matson.
 
btmexotics said:
Yes poor guy. Doesn't have good luck
With his aquatic amphibians. Many things could have killed them. Live arrival guaranteed along with perfect health. Always mh guarantee. He got that. And then some. I welcome his boi post about me. I will
Discredit him just like I did you. And just like I will
To your partner mike matson.
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Man Paul. Your soo tough!! You truly sound like a guy who was picked on as a kid and/or didn't get enough Attn. All that talent and your still a miserable little guy trolling fauna for attn and fame. How sad.
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
That's the biggest pot calling the kettle black I've ever heard. Haha!!! Go tend to the baby Paul. I'd hate to think I'm stealing their "specialist" away from them. Lol!!!
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People are seeing you for the real Barry lambert now. You are the most antagonistic person I've vome across except for your good buddy mike matson. Yoj guys are bullies and when people stand up to you you act ridiculous call names try to intimidate etc. But that doesn't work on some people. Se
Of us can't be pushed around. Goodnight Barry try not
To dream about my naultinus too much. Oh k don't need to take care of my baby she's got a great mom.
My fifth and final child and
She's already more mature than you
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
Man Paul. Your soo tough!! You truly sound like a guy who was picked on as a kid and/or didn't get enough Attn. All that talent and your still a miserable little guy trolling fauna for attn and fame. How sad.
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You have deep insecurities. That's why you act the way you do. It's why you are so threatened by me. And why you can't let go of your infatuation with me little green geckos.
 
I see your buddy mike matson watching maybe he would like to chime in about ethics. His credibilitu is solid. You guys messaging each other about how your getting over on jay Sommers real good?? Gimme a break. Good night im done here. Point proven
 
btmexotics said:
People are seeing you for the real Barry lambert now. You are the most antagonistic person I've vome across except for your good buddy mike matson. Yoj guys are bullies and when people stand up to you you act ridiculous call names try to intimidate etc. But that doesn't work on some people. Se
Of us can't be pushed around. Goodnight Barry try not
To dream about my naultinus too much. Oh k don't need to take care of my baby she's got a great mom.
My fifth and final child and
She's already more mature than you
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Haha!! Jay, once again, YOUR the antagonistic one. Mike and I never addressed you! You addresses us! Every one of your posts reads "have I told you how great I am?" It's nauseating. I've actually got bored with you and all this. I guess I'll let my "fellow bully" Matson deal with you.
 
Jays animals are more then 100% and probably the only TRACEABLE 100% legal animals in the UNITED STATES. Pre-CITES there was 4 or 5 shipments of legally exported animals from New Zealand. All these animals are registered with New Zealand and even noted in the CITES listing documents when nautilus was proposed for listing. I think those are on google somewhere.
The animals from those exports are registered with New Zealand and all progeny are registered as well. Jays are progeny of one the original one of 4 or 5 legal exports and 100% known about, registered, and in the database of however they keep track of such things. Photos, patterns, etc....
These were confirmed legal by New Zealand themselves, USFWS, and two other countries!! How do I know this? We share same import brokers, and I had to wait to clear my shipment while all this confirming was going on! Thanks Jay for delaying my day an extra 2 hours!
 
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