Inquiry Jay Sommers- legal naultinus geckos??

[Lucille]

Not looking to get sucked into this nastiness but you have no problem injecting yourself into it. The real issue is that all this started because of Barry and mike matson starting behind the scenes attacks on me, my credibility and my reputation. So before you pontificate here( which you have the right to do) read the bad guy boi posts on mike matson. This is mostly fueled because of him because Barry and him are friends. And mike matson got called out in his abusive bullying of a teenage girl. Have a good evening.

I appreciate your courage in helping to bring that abusive bullying to light, Jay. I hope that Barry saw that bullying as wrong as well.
Discussing Mike here may seem far afield, but if part of the reason for the heated dispute between you and Barry includes Mike, it seems relevant to discuss that situation.

Barry, how do you feel about Mike's video of this youngster? Can you put aside your business differences and support Jay for saying the video went too far?

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I appreciate your courage in helping to bring that abusive bullying to light, Jay. I hope that Barry saw that bullying as wrong as well.
Discussing Mike here may seem far afield, but if part of the reason for the heated dispute between you and Barry includes Mike, it seems relevant to discuss that situation.

Barry, how do you feel about Mike's video of this youngster? Can you put aside your business differences and support Jay for saying the video went too far?

Barry lambert, mike matson, spectrum reptiles all intertwined. They have both been making references to each other by name in posts against me. Do people even realize the barrage of attacks I am getting and what I am going to be getting?? I don't care i am a big boy. Mike has already made one video yesterday threatening to make a video monday about me to destroy me. Ok.
Barry doesn't care about mikes bullying he encourages it. He's a bully too!!! And they have been communicating and planning all this crap behind the scenes. Remember Mike drive hours to take his daddy's heavy equipment to barrys house to do a bunch of grading trenching etc. For free. You gotta be pretty tight to do that. And both of these guys thrive on each other's validation. It's sad.

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

Barry lambert, mike matson, spectrum reptiles all intertwined. They have both been making references to each other by name in posts against me. Do people even realize the barrage of attacks I am getting and what I am going to be getting?? I don't care i am a big boy. Mike has already made one video yesterday threatening to make a video monday about me to destroy me. Ok.
Barry doesn't care about mikes bullying he encourages it. He's a bully too!!! And they have been communicating and planning all this crap behind the scenes. Remember Mike drive hours to take his daddy's heavy equipment to barrys house to do a bunch of grading trenching etc. For free. You gotta be pretty tight to do that. And both of these guys thrive on each other's validation. It's sad.

First off get your facts straight Paul. First, show me PROOF that I said your little geckos were "illegal"? Because I never said that. I said please show your docs to prove they are. Big difference. This whole thing never started between Mike and I. You picked your fights with us individually and initiated posts. We didn't. Now your crying boo hoo and playing the victim role. Like I said, passive/aggressive. I don't care how Mike handles you. Ya, we're friends. So? You likely don't have any so you can't understand that concept.

Let's rewind and let everyone know how this all started with you. You posted on FB your geckos. Right? Multiple people asked who, why, when, etc..... I chimed in and simply made the statement that usfw told a good friend who's also as experienced as you in importing to "not even think about importing them". Now, being the legend in your own mind you perceived that as me saying they were illegal. Those words never once came out of my mouth. Your perception and reality are two separate things. Then you decide to dig up dirt on me(don't really care. You do reptiles for a living, I don't) and start bashing me. Guess what? Your gonna get served back Jay. So, in essence your the insecure little man who got all offended over my FB statment because your interpretation is I said something I didn't and you went off. Go see a therapist cause you need help and your anxiety must be through the roof to continue on like this. Seriously. Have mike and I been "plotting" against you? No! Laughing at your crazy accusations? Yes! Mikes got his own beef with you and doesn't need any help from me. I can assure you. So address him separately, go back to taking care of your family, animals, and move on. I stated the facts now for people to know the truth. Not the truth as you perceive it, but the REAL truth. I'm done addressing you now for good so any blabbering you care to do will just make you look like a schizophrenic.

 

[snowgyre]

First off get your facts straight Paul. First, show me PROOF that I said your little geckos were "illegal"? Because I never said that. I said please show your docs to prove they are. Big difference. This whole thing never started between Mike and I. You picked your fights with us individually and initiated posts. We didn't. Now your crying boo hoo and playing the victim role. Like I said, passive/aggressive.

You implied his geckos were illegal by asking him to post prove of their legality in a public Board of Inquiry page. You're accusing him of being passive aggressive yet that is exactly what your first post on this thread was.

The geckos are legal. The rest is needless drama. Your question was answered. Case closed.

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

You implied his geckos were illegal by asking him to post prove of their legality in a public Board of Inquiry page. You're accusing him of being passive aggressive yet that is exactly what your first post on this thread was.

The geckos are legal. The rest is needless drama. Your question was answered. Case closed.

Right!!! So why is it even being discussed still? And there is a difference between saying their illegal and asking for docs. Saying their illegal is just that. An accusation. My inquiry on asking for docs was was a question? His answer would have proved the legality/illegality in which he did show docs. So, yes, case called yet he's still harping on Mike and I being big bad bullies. This goes way back to statement I made on FB. Not a question. I didn't ask for proof back then but be because he interpreted my statment wrong(not my problem, his) so felt inclined to be cute and draw first blood and be petty. If your going to do that, be prepared for cross examination.

 

[juliasara]

Even the title of this thread, that YOU BARRY, started questions if the geckos are legal. No matter how you try to twist it, by questioning if they are legal is exactly as saying you think they are illegal. If you thought they weren't illegal you never would have asked if they were legal.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

You didn't simply mention any reference to my geckos in facebook. You rattles in about them over and over all over every freaking public board on facebook. While telling me what a big scary powerful man you are and how you will mop the floor with me. Anyway you keep referencing the whooping im going to get from matson... He keeps referencing you... You guys are plotting it's fine. I have dealt with your types many times in my life, both in this hobby and in the real world.

Barry you keep saying your friend who is as well versed at importing as me. Well clearly he isn't because I am able to import Naultinus and you/ he are not.

This whole ridiculius thing started months ago because your ego and your insecurity couldn't handle the fact that I said I stay away from you, when someone name dropped you to me as a reference( I didn't ask for) to give themselves credibility (which they didn't need) to buy animals from me. So you flipped out over nothing and went in a full fledged attack at me over absolutely nothing started going off about how scary you are and how my naultinus are illegal. Bla bla bla.

Get it straight your are not a victim. And yes my real name is Paul. My real name is also jacob. It isn't made up. It's not a fictitious alias. The rules say real name. Not real first name. Not full legal name. So I have talked to webslave and another moderator about the name issue. It will be rectified shortly. I hope you find it to meet your high ethical standards. Let Me know if the solution thAts agreed upon by the admins and I doesn't meet your strict criteria...

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

Even the title of this thread, that YOU BARRY, started questions if the geckos are legal. No matter how you try to twist it, by questioning if they are legal is exactly as saying you think they are illegal. If you thought they weren't illegal you never would have asked if they were legal.

Julia. This whole thread and how it all got started from the get go on FB has been one big twist and wasn't even necessary to begin with. Completely out of hand and initiated on here by Jay/Paul.

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

You didn't simply mention any reference to my geckos in facebook. You rattles in about them over and over all over every freaking public board on facebook. While telling me what a big scary powerful man you are and how you will mop the floor with me. Anyway you keep referencing the whooping im going to get from matson... He keeps referencing you... You guys are plotting it's fine. I have dealt with your types many times in my life, both in this hobby and in the real world.

Barry you keep saying your friend who is as well versed at importing as me. Well clearly he isn't because I am able to import Naultinus and you/ he are not.

This whole ridiculius thing started months ago because your ego and your insecurity couldn't handle the fact that I said I stay away from you, when someone name dropped you to me as a reference( I didn't ask for) to give themselves credibility (which they didn't need) to buy animals from me. So you flipped out over nothing and went in a full fledged attack at me over absolutely nothing started going off about how scary you are and how my naultinus are illegal. Bla bla bla.

Get it straight your are not a victim. And yes my real name is Paul. My real name is also jacob. It isn't made up. It's not a fictitious alias. The rules say real name. Not real first name. Not full legal name. So I have talked to webslave and another moderator about the name issue. It will be rectified shortly. I hope you find it to meet your high ethical standards. Let Me know if the solution thAts agreed upon by the admins and I doesn't meet your strict criteria...

Jay, Jacob, Paul, whatever. I don't care. That's for the mods to decide. It's their rodeo. You got offended as to my statment what usfw said and because your insecure, you decided to tell people lies and not to deal with me. I wouldn't have told people anything even though you sold dying newts. You chose to open your mouth so deal with it. I didn't ask anyone to post on my threads or create good guy posts. They did that all on their own. If Mike wants to reply to you on my thread or yours than that's his business. Stop thinking and stating we are in this together. Your issues with him are completely separate from mine. If to feel ganged up on its because you crated multiple issues. I'm done. Am I a hot head? Sure. Are you? You bet!! So here we are. I have less than 300 species and I'm busy caring for them so Bon voyage.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Julia. This whole thread and how it all got started from the get go on FB has been one big twist and wasn't even necessary to begin with. Completely out of hand and initiated on here by Jay/Paul.

I guess I need to post what started this whole thing. All the way back in December.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Jay, Jacob, Paul, whatever. I don't care. That's for the mods to decide. It's their rodeo. You got offended as to my statment what usfw said and because your insecure, you decided to tell people lies and not to deal with me. I wouldn't have told people anything even though you sold dying newts. You chose to open your mouth so deal with it. I didn't ask anyone to post on my threads or create good guy posts. They did that all on their own. If Mike wants to reply to you on my thread or yours than that's his business. Stop thinking and stating we are in this together. Your issues with him are completely separate from mine. If to feel ganged up on its because you crated multiple issues. I'm done. Am I a hot head? Sure. Are you? You bet!! So here we are. I have less than 300 species and I'm busy caring for them so Bon voyage.

I sold no one dying newts. What lies did I say about you. Let's start there.
Who did I tell not to do business with you. And what lies did I tell???

You are flat out wrong and this has been your launching pad and your fuel. You are flatly mistaken.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I sold no one dying newts. What lies did I say about you. Let's start there.
Who did I tell not to do business with you. And what lies did I tell???

You are flat out wrong and this has been your launching pad and your fuel. You are flatly mistaken.

And for the record... I haven't created multiple issues. I kept my mouth shut about your friend mike matson. Said nothing until... He attacked a teenage girl.
A minor. 15 years of age. So if you're such a man of integrity why is it that you condone mike matsons attack and bullying of a 15 year old child! He attacked her over something that was really nothing.
Just like you attacked me over something that was nothing! But no one on this planet will ever have the ability to intimidate me. No one. Not even you.scary repo man.

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

I guess I need to post what started this whole thing. All the way back in December.

Do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't have time for this nonsense anymore and personally don't see how to do either. Personally I have things more productive to do like care for my animals. Later!

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Barry would you like me to post the real history??? The real reason why you started this whole mess? You innocent victim ????

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't have time for this nonsense anymore and personally don't see how to do either. Personally I have things more productive to do like care for my animals. Later!

Funny how you pull back and don't have time for this nonsense but you had lots of time to smear me all over the place for months. Start this thread and other nonsense

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

I sold no one dying newts. What lies did I say about you. Let's start there.
Who did I tell not to do business with you. And what lies did I tell???

You are flat out wrong and this has been your launching pad and your fuel. You are flatly mistaken.

Keep believing your own BS. The point of me being a repoman went completely over your head. The point was I've had death threats by bigger and badder than you so you nothing you say effects me. Could Mike have handled Cher better? Sure, but he's a grown man like you and me so it's his to deal with. Not mine. At the same time that girls been bad mouthing everyone from top to bottom. Based on how you act here I can't even see you staying quiet if she was in your crosshairs.

You did open your mouth on FB and told people to stay away from me after what I said usfw said. That's all! Would you have stayed silent to that Jay? What if out of the blue I posted Sharokhe experience with you for no reason other than to be an a hole? Would you have said nothing? I don't think so. You can keep running with this til the cows come home. I really don't care. My animals mean more to me than this mindless back and forth. Keep posting and wasting your time. Don't know how you can care for 300 species with all the time you spend on here anyway. I don't.

 

[Lucille]

Personally I have things more productive to do

Regardless of who your friends may be, I asked whether you thought Mike's video of a youngster went too far.
I think a lot rides on that answer, because a child is involved. Are you going to turn your back on her, or stand up for her?

 

[Fangthane]

I'm done

I'm done.

I'm done.

My animals mean more to me than this mindless back and forth. Keep posting and wasting your time. Don't know how you can care for 300 species with all the time you spend on here anyway. I don't.

Yeah, clearly a man of your word who has no time for the back and forth. FFS, at this point, we could make you constantly reiterating that you're "done" into a drinking game.

 

[Michael Brown]

Yeah, clearly a man of your word who has no time for the back and forth. FFS, at this point, we could make you constantly reiterating that you're "done" into a drinking game.

LOL beat me to it

 

[Spectrum Reptiles]

Regardless of who your friends may be, I asked whether you thought Mike's video of a youngster went too far.
I think a lot rides on that answer, because a child is involved. Are you going to turn your back on her, or stand up for her?

Well Lucille, i have awesome 3 teens. Mike doesn't and will need to go through his own growing pains with that. Did she need to be addressed? Yes! Would my delivery and verbiage been different than Mikes? Yes. Mike is proud of his work, works hard, is a very generous and passionate guy who like most of us needs to work on his delivery. For many including myself, my head and my heart are not one in the same. Cher has been banned from multiple FB pages for her comments. I'm not her parent but do they know how she is online? Prob not. I know my kids don't act like that. Hope that answers your question.