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Inquiry Randall Nash Hartdegen

favrielle said:
I'd say this inquiry thread is entirely valid, and a good warning to check into anyone before you send them/their business/their "rescue" or organization money. Randall Nash Hartdegan is clearly NOT everything he says he is... whether that's because he's intentionally out to defraud people, or because he is young & stupid/mentally ill/what-have-you, that doesn't change the fact that people within the community might not want to get entangled with him.
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That about sums it up. Seems nearly inconceivable that anyone who can see beyond their own nose could possibly 'loose' sight of just what this forum is about, and just how appropriate this thread is. I guess it's a good thing that not everyone shares a notable disinterest in that which only affects themselves. Just imagine how many people might not have received help they clearly needed if the rest of us were inclined to say, "I didn't 'loose' anything, so it's not my problem."
 
Here's the thing about people who ACTUALLY commit suicide, they don't threaten to do so, they just *do it*......anybody that says they're going to kill themselves is looking for attention.
 
Fangthane said:
That about sums it up. Seems nearly inconceivable that anyone who can see beyond their own nose could possibly 'loose' sight of just what this forum is about, and just how appropriate this thread is. I guess it's a good thing that not everyone shares a notable disinterest in that which only affects themselves. Just imagine how many people might not have received help they clearly needed if the rest of us were inclined to say, "I didn't 'loose' anything, so it's not my problem."
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And there's one last attempt at a cheap shot. Dan I posted what I posted and it's not ever going anywhere. There's nothing that I've said that I consider regretful. I'm not just saying this to say it. Dan I really do respect you from what I know of you. Sometimes I find you rather annoying but on the flip side you might feel the same way about me. So who cares. Neither of us will loose any sleep over the other. You are also well spoken and I agree more often than not with your posts. No 2 people will ever agree on everything so let's just agree to disagree on this.
Prior to my initial post is plenty of stuff about Randall for people to form an opinion of him. For anyone reading I just want to be very clear I am not defending him in the sense of what evidence has been posted. My intentions of posting was much deeper. Simple as that. Take it or leave it. Everyday people kill themselves because no one takes there crys seriously and are easy to just dismiss them as cry baby attention seekers. I don't need to be right to post all I've posted. And if I can have it my way I'd like to be wrong and this is all for attention.
 
DavidBeard said:
Here's the thing about people who ACTUALLY commit suicide, they don't threaten to do so, they just *do it*......anybody that says they're going to kill themselves is looking for attention.
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Didn't see this when I posted. This comment is so far beyond wrong.
 
Craig Wyatt said:
Didn't see this when I posted. This comment is so far beyond wrong.
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It may not align with your personal beliefs, but having had several friends/family members working in the mental health/social work fields I can say I've seen time and time again that its true.
 
I was a psychiatric nurse for some years, years ago. It is not the case that those who threaten suicide do not do it.
Additionally, Idaho ranks among the highest states in suicide statistics.
This thread has value for several reasons. First, Kristi alerted us to the business practices by Randall, and whatever else is going on, that certainly has value as he has been asking for donations; and such alerts are part of what the BOI is for.
Second, by publishing the suicide ideations, the information in this thread has allowed officials from Idaho that can intervene on Randall's behalf to look into the situation after I alerted one of them.
 
DavidBeard said:
It may not align with your personal beliefs, but having had several friends/family members working in the mental health/social work fields I can say I've seen time and time again that its true.
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This has nothing to do with personal beliefs. You are saying what your saying as if it is a fact. Your statements are completely ludicrous and false. You may no some people that have threatened suicide before and didn't but that doesn't make your statement true at all. I'm glad none of them killed themselves but if just one of them did and the rest didn't then what would you be saying. I hope no one takes your post seriously and believes you because that could possibly be disasterize. Do you think Lucille is lying too? If you choose to reply to me please also include your answer about my question if you believe Lucille is lying too.

Lucille I'm glad you posted what you did. Coming from an educated person that's been in that field holds a lot of weight as far as I'm concerned. And it is extremely commendable that you took the time to call someone and alert them of Randall's suicide thoughts. You are a selfless person. The world could use a few more lucilles.
 
I think the whole point of Craig's post was to just leave the guy be. You exposed him as a possible fraud. You plastered his life story in great detail across this thread. Now the guy is talking about killing himself. The nice thing would be to just let it go. He wasn't defending the guy. He was just saying that the BOI did it's job and now everyone can see the evidence and make their decisions based on what they read. Why keep kicking the while he is down? Especially when he isn't even guilty of ripping anyone off. I agree that a bit of compassion might be in order. Just my opinion. I love to watch you guys rip up the scammers. This just seems different to me.
 
Untaimed said:
My husband took his own life. There were no threats made, no cries for help or any other signs that he was considering it.
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I'm sincerely sorry for your loss. I would loose my mind if this happened to me. Many times men appear to be strong on the surface but are badly hurting on the inside. Some think it's a sign of weakness to reach out or just even talk to a friend. As humans many of us are good at bottling up everything inside.
Again I'm very very sorry for your loss.
 
Craig Wyatt said:
I'm sincerely sorry for your loss. I would loose my mind if this happened to me. Many times men appear to be strong on the surface but are badly hurting on the inside. Some think it's a sign of weakness to reach out or just even talk to a friend. As humans many of us are good at bottling up everything inside.
Again I'm very very sorry for your loss.
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Thank you Craig, I appreciate that. It was devastating, even worse he did it knowing our boys (5 & 8 at the time) would find him first.
I wish my husband had said something/anything to ANYONE that he was even contemplating it so that we could have attempted to help him. So I believe the fact that the subject of this thread has made a very clear cry out, means he needs help. Whether he means it or is just trying to manipulate people emotionally, I can't say- but either way he definitely needs help & I'm glad this thread was posted so that those close to him can act.
 
I do believe this warning was valid, given the lies / exaggerations this young man has made very public, from his age, to his education to his "research", to his ownership of certain animals which I find hard to believe he actually owns ... and more. Yes, people should be aware and wary before actually donating to a cause that may or may not be legit. I personally would steer clear.

However, where the mental health and suicide is concerned ... NO, there are no fast and hard "rules". Having experienced 4 suicides in my life of family members and close friends, there often are indicators and as often not. My brother gave no clue. My aunt gave no clue. They were both pretty much unexpected shocks.

My next door neighbor and best friend did send huge clues. I called her parents and they came 300 miles to get her back home for help. Two weeks later she snuck away from her parents home and returned, in the middle of the night, unbeknownst to me, her other friends, her ex or her fiance. I found her body the next day when the neighbor on the other side called me and said there was exhaust coming from Brenda's garage. (Her parents had given me the keys to her house to care for her little dog, Teddy, and houseplants.) I called the police, dealt with hours of interrogation and had to break the news to her fiancé when he called me when she did not answer her phone.

My next door neighbor when I lived in CHI gave no clue, but yep, same thing ... happy as a lark for a year. Happy as a lark that day when we both left for work. Not so much the next.

So, no ... there are no "rules". Yes, some people use it for attention (and I have another friend who did, so I ran to her side in the middle of the night and she was just drunk with all her family members right here ... she was just bored and terribly drunk, I guess).

One simply just cannot make rash judgments regarding another's mental health or possible intentions. We all already know he has lied about so many things that his credibility is shot anyway.

Let the psychological analysis go, folks ... just hope he sees the error of his ways and gets whatever help he needs.
 
Sierra and Laura, my condolences on the sad losses you have experienced with from the suicide of others. :(
 
Why is this thread still on the BOI? Shouldn't this be moved to a more appropriate section of the website like all other threads that have diverged from their original intention?
 
Phil Bradley said:
Why is this thread still on the BOI? Shouldn't this be moved to a more appropriate section of the website like all other threads that have diverged from their original intention?
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Because it's still an inquiry. Usually when they go off topic, the mods will give out warnings. The original intent of the post is still important and it still names a person.
 
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