Bad Guy Scammed by Andrew Michael Popp Las Vegas, NV

[calebroad]

Andrew Popp is probably on here thinking, wow, I totally shafted Chris Davis, and the BOI warriors are defending me.

Maybe this is why the trollers keep trolling, and the scammers keep scamming

 

[juliasara]

I haven't seen anyone defend a scammer. You haven't even posted the proof you keep saying you have. Would you believe me if I said someone scammed me just because I said so? Or if someone accused you of being a scammer would you want people to believe them just because they said so?

 

[calebroad]

I haven't seen anyone defend a scammer. You haven't even posted the proof you keep saying you have. Would you believe me if I said someone scammed me just because I said so? Or if someone accused you of being a scammer would you want people to believe them just because they said so?

I understand, those who chose not to believe me have every right. So that's no problem. I have to sign off for tonight. Have a great one!

 

[Lucille]

I think this entire thread is one big bluff contrived to bully Popp into a refund after Chris had buyer's remorse.
I think Popp (smartly) isn't taking the bait and doesn't believe the coy implications of unseen, likely nonexistent evidence, and I look forward to seeing what happens Wednesday, if anything happens at all.

 

[calebroad]

I think this entire thread is one big bluff contrived to bully Popp into a refund after Chris had buyer's remorse.
I think Popp (smartly) isn't taking the bait and doesn't believe the coy implications of unseen, likely nonexistent evidence, and I look forward to seeing what happens Wednesday, if anything happens at all.

I think Lucille is in desperate need of attention, with nothing better to do, than hopp from BOI thread to BOI thread, causing ugly nasty trouble, your no better than Andrew Popp.

This person has finally admitted, after lying, that these are the same turtles posted on Fauna back in July as non het, this person has sent me turtles that are about thirty percent smaller than advertised, this person is a convict, this person refused to honor the money back guarantee, this person has admitted they are not het for snow and caramel, and that he made that up because he was desperate for money, and this person has scammed me out of $6,000.00 cash. And this person agreed to refund the money after I caught his crime - and now has backed out of that too.

And you are on here defending him, because likely nobody else will talk to you, so you come on here making outrageous comments, seeking attention. For god sakes, I am suing the crook, and I will put him in jail if possible, and buyers remorse - fine, im about to put about $50k in to pursuing Scales N Tails and Andrew Popp.

Im gonna bite my tongue Lucille - you are obviously in desperate need of attention. Jesus, leave it alone, your only fishing for comments and feuds, get a dog

 

[calebroad]

I think this entire thread is one big bluff contrived to bully Popp into a refund after Chris had buyer's remorse.
I think Popp (smartly) isn't taking the bait and doesn't believe the coy implications of unseen, likely nonexistent evidence, and I look forward to seeing what happens Wednesday, if anything happens at all.

I am getting off this post until Wednesday after court, since there is a rampant snarling vicious attack dog on here, trying to cause trouble.

Troll on Lucille, but troll with others, Im not listening to your trolling.

 

[bobcochran]

Truth

Chris, I hope everything you say is the truth and you are going to Las Vegas armed with all the evidence you say you have. I understand that you would not show all evidence on this forum until after the court appearance.
Good Luck!

 

[Fangthane]

I can post whatever then I have to show it all again in court. What is the point of keeping me answering questions - I'm not being rude but are you guys busy?

What may or may not happen in court doesn't really help those reading this thread and wanting verifiable facts. I've simply read enough of your posts to have come to the conclusion that you're not a particularly honest person, in the sense that your presented interpretation of events tends to be skewed in a notably self-serving direction that doesn't always jibe with how a more objective person may see them. Naturally, I find myself wondering if this is yet another situation where that's the case. Your comments about 'trolling' and us 'supporting' Andrew are examples of the aforementioned behavior. You've made a bunch of very specific claims; you've corroborated very few of them - despite your stated intentions of laying down ALL evidence here.

I'm just trying to gauge your credibility. I'd like to see as much truth come to light as possible. Since you're the only directly-related party who's participating here, and you'd previously caught my attention, of course I'm going to be focusing on you and expecting you to follow through with various statements that you've made. I'm not remotely supporting Andrew or anyone else; I'm just suspecting that the truth lies much closer to the middle than you'd have us believe.

But go ahead, cite some 'attack dog' as your justification for taking your ball and going home without presenting all you claim to have. Guess we'll just have to draw our own inferences, based on the kind of people who we've seen play that very same card over the years.

 

[calebroad]

What may or may not happen in court doesn't really help those reading this thread and wanting verifiable facts. I've simply read enough of your posts to have come to the conclusion that you're not a particularly honest person, in the sense that your presented interpretation of events tends to be skewed in a notably self-serving direction that doesn't always jibe with how a more objective person may see them. Naturally, I find myself wondering if this is yet another situation where that's the case. Your comments about 'trolling' and us 'supporting' Andrew are examples of the aforementioned behavior. You've made a bunch of very specific claims; you've corroborated very few of them - despite your stated intentions of laying down ALL evidence here.

I'm just trying to gauge your credibility. I'd like to see as much truth come to light as possible. Since you're the only directly-related party who's participating here, and you'd previously caught my attention, of course I'm going to be focusing on you and expecting you to follow through with various statements that you've made. I'm not remotely supporting Andrew or anyone else; I'm just suspecting that the truth lies much closer to the middle than you'd have us believe.

But go ahead, cite some 'attack dog' as your justification for taking your ball and going home without presenting all you claim to have. Guess we'll just have to draw our own inferences, based on the kind of people who we've seen play that very same card over the years.

I'm very sorry, the stress is getting to me. And I need to just get off this post. - I will check in with you guys Wednesday after court.

I only had the best intentions

Chris Davis

 

[Lucille]

I am getting off this post until Wednesday after court, since there is a rampant snarling vicious attack dog on here, trying to cause trouble.

Troll on Lucille, but troll with others, Im not listening to your trolling.

You seem to be unable to courteously deal with anyone who has different views, who seeks to ask questions or asks you to post the evidence you said you would post. And, the stakes are high. The reputations of Tails N Scales, who appear to be innocent of wrongdoing and Popp, where you are avoiding answering questions about the pictures in the ad, are being discussed by you without the evidence you say you have.

Here, to show that this is far from the first time you have nastily lashed out at those asking reasonable questions, is a quote of you talking to one of our moderators:


Chris Davis <[email protected]>
Feb 16 at 6:53 PM

To

Nickolas Anastasiou

Message body
You are not, and never will be on my level.

You do not have a great rep yourself as it turns out.

Take your subadult half inbred turtle and shove it.

You will never be on my level. You were lucky just be speaking with me.

Have fun living in your mommas basement and don't contact me again.

And just pray I don't come across you in person one day

Chris

In this thread:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565731

2. I am flying out on Tuesday, staying a Caesars, and meeting with the District Attorney at 10:30am (Vegas time) on Wednesday.

There will be no court or disposition Wednesday, you are going for a discussion, if indeed you go at all. And of course, if you do go, any reports by you of what transpired will have to be filtered through whatever level of credibility a reader chooses to give you.

 

[JColt]

Between this thread and the one Lucille mentioned I have to say that he is one passive/aggressive person.

People like that have such a hard time in life.

 

[Mac's Morphs]

I think this entire thread is one big bluff contrived to bully Popp into a refund after Chris had buyer's remorse.
I think Popp (smartly) isn't taking the bait and doesn't believe the coy implications of unseen, likely nonexistent evidence, and I look forward to seeing what happens Wednesday, if anything happens at all.

I am one of the "specialist" who Chris seemed advice about this situation and even before buying the turtles.

This is no where near the case of buyers remorse. He purchased "adult breeder albino her for snow and caramel" but received juvenile to sub adult animal that are not het for snow or caramel.

I only wanted to chime in to give me input. Chris paid for certain turtles, he didn't receive the turtles he was supposed to. He was expecting turtles that would one: breeding this coming season and two: would produce caramels and snows.

These turtles will not be able to breed for at least one to two years, ando the turtles Andrew sold he had advertised 6 months earlier as normal allbinos. He then claimed they sold and we're different turtles then after verifying they were the same he admitted they were the same but still says they are het for snow and caramel but with no proof. Even his work where he purchased them said they were just albino and never sold them to Andrew as het for anything.

The straight forward fact is they are not adult breeder size, and at least 1 to 2 years away from breeding. He paid for and the contract says breeders. That alone is a big factor as the price difference for adult breeders and sub adults is at least dounless. So at bare minimum these animals are worth half the price he paid but likely less. Then if they are in fact not even het they are worth again half that as well and he wouldn't even have purchased them as he did not want normal albinos.

Just wanted to put that information out there since I was a person who has given advice and information in this situation.

 

[JCCS]

Quick question. If they are not of breeding size, how is it that you know they are not hets?

 

[JCCS]

I just read further, but that is still really murky. "Proof" of hets is always reliant on the word of the seller.

 

[Mac's Morphs]

Quick question. If they are not of breeding size, how is it that you know they are not hets?

If they are "hets" you can't typically trace them back to the original breeder who could verify selling them. Or you have a receipt from your purchase stating they are hets. Andrew bought them from his work as normal albinos. There is no paperwork of information making them het except for Andrew's word. He can not provide any history on them, where his work got them, who hatched or bred them. Zero proof other then he says they are but the place he bought them said they were sold as normal albinos. Also his ad from July said just Albinos. Never in the ad anywhere did he say they were het, if you had something that is het which would also make it worth way more I am.pretty sure that would be important information to ad to your sales ad.

 

[Mac's Morphs]

I just read further, but that is still really murky. "Proof" of hets is always reliant on the word of the seller.

The problem is he has also least two marks against him in this reguard:

First he posted them for sale in July as normals
Second he got them from his work as normal albinos

The only "proof" he has is he says they are.

Unfortunately the only solid information is they are not hets.

Also the ad in July that he posted them for sale in as normal albinos. If they were hets. He would have paid almost double the price he was selling them for then. He was asking $2000 for all 3. In 2015 the main breeder was selling albinos het for snow and caramel for $1200- $1500 each got hatchling. So not sure how he store somehow got them cheap enough to sell to Andrew for Andrew to sell them got $2000 when you couldn't get them for less then $1200 each.

 

[bcr229]

This is no where near the case of buyers remorse. He purchased "adult breeder albino her for snow and caramel" but received juvenile to sub adult animal that are not het for snow or caramel.

I only wanted to chime in to give me input. Chris paid for certain turtles, he didn't receive the turtles he was supposed to. He was expecting turtles that would one: breeding this coming season and two: would produce caramels and snows.

This is really all that matters, it's a civil case not criminal. I don't see the seller or anyone else being arrested or charged over it. If he were still on probation or parole, which isn't likely since he was released from prison back in 2011, or if he'd ripped off several dozen buyers so there was a pattern of fraud, then the authorities might act.

The buyer is due either the difference in value between what he purchased versus what he received, or, if he returns the turtles, the full purchase price. Unfortunately he paid using a method that didn't provide him with any buyer protection. Had he used a credit card he'd likely have his money back by now.

The small claims limit in Nevada is $10k so at least the buyer won't be paying for an attorney, just hotel and travel. I also don't blame him for not posting all of the evidence here. If I were getting ready to file a civil suit then the last place I would put my evidence is in the public domain. I would release it once it had been presented to the court.

 

[Fangthane]

If I were getting ready to file a civil suit then the last place I would put my evidence is in the public domain. I would release it once it had been presented to the court.

I don't think there's much of anything to gain by withholding it, at this point. Were it a matter of strategy, he already blew any element of surprise he may have had by detailing all the evidence he supposedly has. The prudent-forbearance ship already sailed.

I think there's an easy case to be made for the idea that the OP has previously shown himself to be just a little full of . While it seems pretty clear that he didn't get exactly what he was supposed to in this transaction, I can't help wondering if his heretofore unsubstantiated statements can really be trusted.

There's a certain amount of bluff and bluster that might be expected in the pursuit of justice; then, there's the outright fabrication of evidence. I think it may be helpful to know which side of that line he's on. It may be bad form to grill the victim, but I think he's earned his special attention.

 

[bcr229]

I don't think there's much of anything to gain by withholding it, at this point. Were it a matter of strategy, he already blew any element of surprise he may have had by detailing all the evidence he supposedly has. The prudent-forbearance ship already sailed.

Good point, if I were seriously about suing I would not have started the thread. Most people who post about bad transactions are not dealing with six-figure losses where the cost to go to court makes it worth the legal fight; their only recourse is to trash the seller's reputation.

 

[calebroad]

Chris, I hope everything you say is the truth and you are going to Las Vegas armed with all the evidence you say you have. I understand that you would not show all evidence on this forum until after the court appearance.
Good Luck!

Thank you for your support, although Wednesday, I can only file the lawsuits against Scales N Tails, and Andrew Popp, a court date will be set for a date in the future, where I will valiantly present my evidence, the best I can.

Also, the assistant investigator with the Vegas DA office has agreed to sit with me and discuss the matter at 10:30am Wednesday, that is not to say he is going to do anything for me, but if Andrew Popp is still on parole or probation, and with his record, well, I am going to ask this guy very kindly.

Also, Adam with Scales N Tails agreed that I am owed an immediate refund, so this gives me hope this will be settled. I will update the post on Wednesday as promised, with copies of the lawsuits. I am anxious