Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Sugarhedgie]

I sent them a message with the fauna link.

She said ty she will share with the admins then booted me out of the group and blocked me

Ty's pockets are really deep i guess. Without money he would be a nobody !!

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Here where I got the boot lol

 

[Mike (The M)]

I'm going to offer a possible insight here:

Remember a while back, people were saying to keep the unnecessary posts and noise to a minimum?

When someone doesn't know the OP from Adam, and they receive a message like this, there are three possible outcomes:

1. The admins take their time to read through all 117 pages of nonsense and make an informed decision.
2. They are going to look strictly at the two posts pointed out by person making the claim, and have to make a lot of assumptions, or;
3. Take the word of their benefactor and move on.

Just a thought.

 

[Andy_G]

I'm going to offer a possible insight here:

Remember a while back, people were saying to keep the unnecessary posts and noise to a minimum?

When someone doesn't know the OP from Adam, and they receive a message like this, there are three possible outcomes:

1. The admins take their time to read through all 117 pages of nonsense and make an informed decision.
2. They are going to look strictly at the two posts pointed out by person making the claim, and have to make a lot of assumptions, or;
3. Take the word of their benefactor and move on.

Just a thought.

I agree. The chances of #1 happening drastically decreases and 3# occuring drastically increases if "information" ("noise") is jammed down one's throat like you did with that admin. Things may have gone a bit more swimmingly in this instance if you had just informed them of the existance of the thread? Most of us agree that you are owed the money or a Tegu Michelle, but I think your actions may work against you sometimes, especially in the eyes of those who aren't following the thread and are either familiar or on good terms with TY. Just my opinion, though.

 

[Deer]

Honestly, while reading the initial back and forth between you two, the exact moment he started to "shut off" was tangible to me based on the tone of his messages - it was purely because you dared to contact him for an update. Not your fault! But I could tell it definitely annoyed him to be asked based on his replies (they felt very tongue in cheek immediately following that). Everything after that was just piling on for him and essentially poking someone who's already upset (I could be wrong, this whole thread was a mess and a lot of reading - but it looked like he got a rapid fire of questions immediately after he said not yet?).


A very very crappy way for anyone in any kind of business to be but I've seen it before. Usually with smaller poorly managed businesses though, run by people with zero business skills and short tempers. Once you forget that customers are important and their questions aren't personal attacks against you (and are key to making sure everyone is happy with the transaction) is the very moment you need to get out of business because you're probably going to give yourself a heart attack eventually from the stress.

In this case, he likely never even saw you as a customer because you "won" (likely still doesn't based on his ridiculous comments here), so treated you accordingly. Which is wrong wrong wrong. You paid money, that makes you a customer, period. That's like a grocery store treating you like a thief because you use valid coupons for their products, even though you paid cash for your reduced total.

He likely even claimed/will claim the donation on his taxes for the full sum from both auctions (or the full retail value of the animal X2). Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but donating to any charity in itself is pretty lucrative or most businesses wouldn't. He gets to claim all these amounts on his taxes and save a lot of money for his business that way so yes, he does benefit financially from this whole situation. Even if indirectly.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

The "rapid fire of questions" was not after the tegu was already supposed to be delivered (July 2016)
I simolybasked him on July 31 any news on the tegus?
he said not yet "soon I'm sure"
another 2 1/2 weeks went by so Mid august I asked him again. This is where he said I only produced purples and they are worth 5,000 "I only owe you $2,500"

That response was snarky imo

Then he goes on to TELL me he is going to pick one up from another Breeder"
And when I then told him I didn't know how I felt about that and that i thought it was supposed to be one he himself produced and asked for the breeders info because I care very much where my animals come fro. Is where imo his attitude went rapidly downhill quick!!
He wouldn't disclose the breeders info and wouldn't even supply me with a pic. The name calling by him twords me started shortly after this.

Either way he definately handled this whole situation very poorly and he and the IRCF both have been given so many opertunities to fix this but imo his ego is bruised and can't make himself correct this at this point. ;(

They could still make it right by sending me a t+ tegu. But they would rather drain me financially by making me sue them.

Poor business skills and hot headed busines men aren't very flattering

 

[Cletus Marley]

Is sending you a tegu on the table right now or is this just gridlocked?

 

[Cletus Marley]

It is. Srry. Missed that from the post above.

 

[Deer]

I wasn't trying to criticize you, just say (as you admit) he got snarky immediately after you asked again about when it'd be (my point was I could feel this attitude shift too). I don't think after that point there was diddly you could have said to him to make him "alright" again honestly.

I mostly posted because of several statements throughout this thread of people excusing some of his behavior on the basis that it is for a charity and several VERY WRONG statements that he didn't profit or benefit from it in any way when on the contrary, he gets a nice sizable tax write-off for it. My company does the same thing and if you know what you're doing, you can almost save more in taxes than what your donations were worth had you sold them more directly. I kind of wonder if he writes off the animals as the write-off or the raffle's ending cash totals as the write-off. Either way, he got double the write-off in this incident as he essentially donated the same "$5,000" (his words) animal twice for an amount around $7,000. That's a 7K - 10K write-off his company gets when it should have only been a little over 3K so yes, he benefits from it in amounts he now wont have to pay the GOVT. to keep his business going. Since this auction was at the end of last year too, it's possible he already used these auctions in write-offs at this point, too.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Is sending you a tegu on the table right now or is this just gridlocked?

I would definately take a t + the he produced last year for the raffle but he is not willing to do that.

 

[Cletus Marley]

I would definately take a t + the he produced last year for the raffle but he is not willing to do that.

I thought he didn't produce any which is why he offered one from the other breeder.

 

[Deer]

Nope, he did, they were just more valuable ones (purple vs blue) so he decided he didn't want to give the more valuable version to the OP. So he didn't honor the contract, no matter how it's flipped.

 

[Cletus Marley]

I hear you. She should have gotten the money at that point. She was never owed one of the more expensive ones. Not trying to flip anything.

 

[Deer]

Not saying you are mang, just that's how people have tried to flip it. He actually gave the more valuable purples to all the other winners from that auction (according to him and at least one other winner who posted). Just not this winner... because??... /shrugs at you. The guy just decided he didn't like her.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Not saying you are mang, just that's how people have tried to flip it. He actually gave the more valuable purples to all the other winners from that auction (according to him and at least one other winner who posted). Just not this winner... because??... /shrugs at you. The guy just decided he didn't like her.

Exactly and In his comment #77 on this thread he said when he decided he would give me one of the t+ albinos he said that he did not communicate that to me because he wanted to see what kind of a person I was and he said that I was greedy till he he end so I'll get nothing

And to Cletus just to clarify he actually did owe me "one of the more expensive ones" as that was all he produced and in the 2nd raffle post he only said this raffle is fo 2 albino tegus.
He did not specify blue or purple and only produced the "more exoencive ones"
The t+ purple albinos. They came from the same parents.
He stated several times a purple is an albino and because
He gave the other 2 winners a t+ Albino , I feel I should have gotten the same

Later when he auctioned another t+off (for another 5,510).

he had claimed that one was mine.

He still has some at his farm and there is no other reason why this should still be going on when he could have just said I've decided to send you all the T+ albinos because that was all he produced. What's your shipping info? I would have given it to him and would have been enjoying my albino tegu.
But as stated above he chose not to tell me so he could see what type of a person I was and felt I was "greeedy"

Why just because he doesn't like me ?? That's rediculous.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I hear you. She should have gotten the money at that point. She was never owed one of the more expensive ones. Not trying to flip anything.

And. I asked him for a t+. He said no!!
And when I asked him for the money, that was when he started calling me greedy and other names.

 

[Cletus Marley]

And. I asked him for a t+. He said no!!
And when I asked him for the money, that was when he started calling me greedy and other names.

Like I've said before, I hope you get whats owed to you. I've defended you in this thread. I was just asking a question. I didn't know the t+ were the ones promised in the auction. I know dick about tegus. I need to unsubscribe this thread so I stop getting notifications whenever someone posts. It seems like it dies for a while and then pops back up with zero new other than some fresh shit talking. At very least I'll get to miss the catholic church comparisons we were promised.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Like I've said before, I hope you get whats owed to you. I've defended you in this thread. I was just asking a question. I didn't know the t+ were the ones promised in the auction. I know dick about tegus. I need to unsubscribe this thread so I stop getting notifications whenever someone posts. It seems like it dies for a while and then pops back up with zero new other than some fresh shit talking. At very least I'll get to miss the catholic church comparisons we were promised.

I know you defended me and I thank you for that.

In his first post he said albino blue , produced my him or $3500

The second post was for an albino tegu

Both purple and blues are albino (referred to as blues sometimes) tegus.
The wordage does make it a bit confusing
But either way I won an albino tegu that I never got because he felt I was greedy.

He tried to change the rules of the contract because he probably didn't want t give you he winners the "more expensive ones" that he just happened to be lucky in producing but bottom line is that they at the very lease breached the contract!!

 

[Fangthane]

just to clarify he actually did owe me "one of the more expensive ones" as that was all he produced and in the 2nd raffle post he only said this raffle is fo 2 albino tegus.
He did not specify blue or purple and only produced the "more exoencive ones"

Well, let's be fair about this. If it's a reasonable assumption that the raffle was for animals that he produced - which the vast majority of us seem to believe - although it was never explicitly specified; I think it's easily as reasonable to assume that his intent was to raffle off the blue albinos, despite not specifying it in that particular post.

You look to be trying to play the very same semantics game that he's trying to hide behind. While it would be great if he'd have given you a purple, I think it's a bit disingenuous to act as if there's any real reason to think that that's what you're rightfully owed. Taking intent and his actual words into consideration, I think there's probably a much stronger case for the idea that you're owed $3000 - not a purprle - even though that wasn't specifically mentioned in the actual raffle post either.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I'm sorry

I am not trying to play any games. I didnfeel that I was owed either an albino blue or $3,500 because of his march 9th post.
But when the other 2 winners received the t+ albinos I did feel like I should have gotten the same.
But after speaking to attorneys even though one would assume that would be the terms. The "contract" I was told would have been the march 10th post that is where it stated this raffle is for an albino tegu. This is where I get confused but if that's the "contract I would believe I'm owed a t+ like the others received.
But then he stated he was going to give me one mut didn't communicate it to me.
And he admitted to auctioning off the one that he claimed was mine (which was a t+ albino)

This is why I believe I am owed a t* or the value of it because he auctioned it off.

I'm not trying to play his game. This has been confusing to me as well.
I mean no I'll will and I don't have any bad intentions. I am just very frustrated that this is still going on

Well, let's be fair about this. If it's a reasonable assumption that the raffle was for animals that he produced - which the vast majority of us seem to believe - although it was never explicitly specified; I think it's easily as reasonable to assume that his intent was to raffle off the blue albinos, despite not specifying it in that particular post.

You look to be trying to play the very same semantics game that he's trying to hide behind. While it would be great if he'd have given you a purple, I think it's a bit disingenuous to act as if there's any real reason to think that that's what you're rightfully owed. Taking intent and his actual words into consideration, I think there's probably a much stronger case for the idea that you're owed $3000 - not a purprle - even though that wasn't specifically mentioned in the actual raffle post either.