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Bad Guy Buyer Beware - Lisa Apramian

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I had posted a link to a negative BOI thread regarding Lisa Arpramian, in an ad she posted today. She deleted the ad, then re-posted, and closed it to comments.

Nice try, Lisa, but people need to know who they're dealing with. Especially to the tune of $2k.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603611
 

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KATHLEEN ROBBINS, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF! NEITHER YOU NOR ROB NEVER HAD ONE NICKEL RIPPED OFF FROM ME. AND SINCE I CANCELLED YOUR PURCHASE, YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE INSTIGATING THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BE COMPLAINING AS YOU ARE A THIRD PARTY. I RIPPED YOUR CHECK UP AND CHOSE NOT TO SELL THE SNAKE TO YOU.! I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO ROB EITHER, IN THE END, BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO CORRECT THE SHED ISSUE. I TOLD ROB THE REASON HIS SNAKE SHIPMENT WAS DELAYED WAS DUE TO A RETAINED EYE CAP AND ASKED HIM TO BE PATIENT. I THUGHT NOTHING MORE OF IT AS I WAS PAYING FOR THE SNAKES FOOD, WATER AND UPKEEP WHILE AWAITING FOR THE ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED. IT TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, MEANWHILE, YOU TWO TURNED INTO A WITCH HUNT. I AM NOW GOING TO ASK FAUNA TO INVESTIGATE YOUR INSISTENCE ON MALIGNING ME WITH NO FURTHER MERIT. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME AND 6-8 MONTHS LATER, THOUGH THIS DOES NOT EVEN CONCERN YOU, YOU ARE NO LONGER A BUYER AND HAVE ALREADY SAID PLENTY, YOU ARE CONTINUING TO CYBER BULLY ME; DETERMINED TO BE AN AGITATOR. TRYING TO INSTIGATE HYSTERIA. YOU ARE TROLLING AND STIRRING UP EMPTY EMPTY HYSTERIA. I AM A HOBBYIST, NOT A BREEDER. I MISJUDGED ROB AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE ATTEMPTED TO WORK OUT THE SHED ISSUE AND IN RETROSPECT SHOULD HAVE REFUNDED HIS MONEY SOONER. ROB WAS NOT MY NORMAL BUYER ANYWAY. I USUALLY SELL TO PEOPLE WHO BUY AS PETS, NOT AS BREEDERS. ROB WAS NOT SUCH A NICE GUY AND ROB AND I JUST DEAL WITH ISSUES DIFFERENTLY. ROB WAS A HURRY UP AND I WAS A LETS WAIT. I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE PATIENT. BUT NO ONE, NO ONE NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF. SO STOP LYING TYO THE PUBLIC. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CYBER BULLY WHO TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN HARMING SOMEONE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. I WILL BE ASKING FAUNA CLASSIFIED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU ARE NOW DOING AND ASK THEM IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. THE CASE IS CLOSED. MOVE ON. YOU ARE NOT SAVING ANYONE ANYTHING! I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.

I HAVE HAD SUCH LOVELY EXPERIENCES WITH KIND PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH THEM, WHEN THEIR MONEY IS TIGHT. I HAVE SLOWLY SOLD MOST OF MY BELOVED COLLECTION DUE TO MY OWN INJURIES. YOU TWO ARE THE ONLY ONES AND YOU ARE STILL HOLDING ON TO THIS??? MALIGNING ME FOR A DELAY IN SHIPPING. I HAVE SOLD 2 BEAUTIFUL ADULT INDIGOS FOR $3000 CASH, HALF UPFRONT AND HALF 2 MONTHS LATER, I HAVE ALSO SOLD AND MADE THOUSANDS FROM THE SALES OF: A BEAUTIFUL ADULT FEMALE BLOOD BOA , 3 ADULT FEMALE LEOPARDS FROM GERMANY, AN ADULT MOTLEY HET LEOPARD, AN ADULT FEMALE SUNGLOW AND AN ADULT MALE PEARL ISLAND...ALL WITH ZERO PROBLEMS!!!!!!! THE DIFFERENCE WAS IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, THE BABY BRB SNAKE HAD A RETAINED EYECAP AND I DID NOT WANT TO MAIL IT TO ROB UNTIL IT RESOLVED ...AND I UNDERESTIMATED ROB'S CHARACTER AND PATIENCE. A COLLEAGUE OF MINE EVEN TRIED TO TELL YOU BOTH MY STANDARDS ARE HIGH; AS HE VISITS MY SNAKE ROOM OFTEN AND YOU ATTACKED HIM TOO!! SHAME ON YOU! FOR CREATING 8000 VISITS FOR THIS ONE INCIDENT (A RETAINED EYECAP) AND THEREFORE DELAYED SHIPMENT. I ENDED UP REFUNDING ROB BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO LET THE ISSUES RESOLVE ...EVEN THOUGH WHILE THE ISSUES WAS RESOLVING, IT WAS AT MY EXPENSE . I HAVE ALSO GIVEN AWAY 21 FREE SNAKES THAT WERE WORTH A FORTUNE... BECAUSE OF MY INJURIES, ALREADY GRIEF-STRICKEN, I HAD TO ACCEPT MY LIMITATIONS. I HAVE LOST THOUSANDS ON MY INVESTMENTS. SO WHAT? AND I HAVE MADE BACK SOME THOUSANDS ON SOME OF MY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT. I STILL CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL MOST OF ALL. AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS. EVEN AFTER THE SALE OR GIFT, I CONTACT THEM AND MAKE SURE THE SNAKES ARE OK, MONTHS LATER.

I SUGGEST YOU START PRACTICING MINDFULNESS, STOP LIVING IN VENGEANCE, LET GO, FORGIVE YOURSELF, ME AND ANYONE ELSE YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BULLY, AND INVESTIGATE YOUR APPARENT ENJOYMENT IN ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION. YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU OR ME. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO ALL DAY BUT STALK FAUNA WAITING TO POUNCE...THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PREDATOR. YES I STOPPED YOU FROM DEFACATING ON MY NEW THREAD. I EMAILED FAUNA ABOUT KATHLEEN AND THEY TAUGHT ME HOW TO DISABLE THREADS SO SHE COULDN'T...

AND BY THE WAY, THAT BEAUTIFUL BRB DID RESOLVE HIS EYE CAP, THOUGH IT DID TAKE AWHILE. ROB DECLARED HIS INTENTION WITH THAT BABY: HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BREED IT. WELL BRB IS STILL NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BREED, SO WHAT DID ROB CARE, IF I TOOK CARE OF HIM AT MY EXPENSE WHILE THE ISSUE RESOLVED. AND REMEMBER, I DO NOT MAKE A LIVING OFF OF SNAKES AND HAD OTHER THINGS TO ATTEND TO, SO I WENT ABOUT MY LIFE ASSUMING ALL WAS WELL AND TELLING ROB TO KEEP COOL AND CALM. BUT HE WOULDN'T, HE COULDN'T. HE INTERPRETED THE WAITING GAME INTO A PRESUMED MALICIOUS ACT. MEANWHILE, DO YOU REMEMBER, I HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY??? DID YOU TELL ANYONE I HAD TO GO TO GREECE?? NOT ONE WORD OF CONDOLENCES TO ME DID EITHER OF YOU SPEAK. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU?

SO TO ALL THE WORLD, LET IT BE KNOWN, I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO KATHY. SHE MAILED A CHECK AND I DID NOT CASH IT. SHE DECIDED TO STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK ANYWAY AND COST HERSELF A FEW BUCKS. THE BRB ULTIMATELY HAD A SHED/EYE CAP ISSUE THAT CAUSED A DELAYED SHIPPING. ROB, DECIDED, HE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT, AND INVENTED, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE SNAKE, ,MALICIOUS INTENTIONS WHEN THERE WERE NONE. IN THE END, I REFUNDED HIM AND DECIDED I DIDNT LIKE HOW HE HANDLED ME OR THE SNAKE AND I MOVED ON. I HAD NO IDEA THE WITCH HUNT WAS EVEN GOING ONWARD ON FAUNA UNTIL ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS TOLD ME.

MOVING TO THE PRESENT, BRB IS KNOCK-OUT GORGEOUS. HAD ROB WAITED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. YES, IT TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED. BUT IRREGARDLESS, I WILL BE SELLING BRB TO A KIND NEW OWNER WITH EASE AND GRACE TO A HAPPIER KINDER GENTLER BUYER. I AM STILL PRETTY NEW TO FAUNA RULES AS THIS IS THE FIRST UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD WITH A SNAKE/SALE.

I HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS AND FEEL BAD ABOUT IT BUT ALSO TRAUMATIZED AND HAVE GROWN TO LOATH THE WHOLE SNAKE ONLINE WORLD OF EXPLOITATION. THIS WAS ONCE MY BELOVED PASSION AND MY HEART WAS INNOCENT. NOW I JUST WANT TO CRINGE AT HOW PEOPLE TREAT EACH OTHER AND HOW THEY TREAT SNAKES. ULTIMATELY GREAT SPIRIT TAKE THIS BURDEN AND FREE MY SOUL.
 
KATHLEEN ROBBINS, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF! NEITHER YOU NOR ROB NEVER HAD ONE NICKEL RIPPED OF FROM ME. AND SINCE I CANCELLED YOUR PURCHASE, YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE INSTIGATING THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BE COMPLAINING AS YOU ARE A THIRD PARTY. I RIPPED YOUR CHECK UP AND CHOSE NOT TO SELL THE SNAKE TO YOU.! I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO ROB EITHER, IN THE END, BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO CORRECT THE SHED ISSUE. I TOLD ROB THE REASON HIS SNAKE SHIPMENT WAS DELAYED WAS DUE TO A RETAINED EYE CAP AND ASKED HIM TO BE PATIENT. I THUGHT NOTHING MORE OF IT AS I WAS PAYING FOR THE SNAKES FOOD, WATER AND UPKEEP WHILE AWAITING FOR THE ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED. IT TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, MEANWHILE, YOU TWO TURNED INTO A WITCH HUNT. I AM NOW GOING TO ASK FAUNA TO INVESTIGATE YOUR INSISTENCE ON MALIGNING ME WITH NO FURTHER MERIT. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME AND 6-8 MONTHS LATER, THOUGH THIS DOES NOT EVEN CONCERN YOU, YOU ARE NO LONGER A BUYER AND HAVE ALREADY SAID PLENTY, YOU ARE CONTINUING TO CYBER BULLY ME; DETERMINED TO BE AN AGITATOR. TRYING TO INSTIGATE HYSTERIA. YOU ARE TROLLING AND STIRRING UP EMPTY EMPTY HYSTERIA. I AM A HOBBYIST, NOT A BREEDER. I MISJUDGED ROB AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE ATTEMPTED TO WORK OUT THE SHED ISSUE AND IN RETROSPECT SHOULD HAVE REFUNDED HIS MONEY SOONER. ROB WAS NOT MY NORMAL BUYER ANYWAY. I USUALLY SELL TO PEOPLE WHO BUY AS PETS, NOT AS BREEDERS. ROB WAS NOT SUCH A NICE GUY AND ROB AND I JUST DEAL WITH ISSUES DIFFERENTLY. ROB WAS A HURRY UP AND I WAS A LETS WAIT. I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE PATIENT. BUT NO ONE, NO ONE NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF. SO STOP LYING TYO THE PUBLIC. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CYBER BULLY WHO TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN HARMING SOMEONE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. I WILL BE ASKING FAUNA CLASSIFIED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU ARE NOW DOING AND ASK THEM IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. THE CASE IS CLOSED. MOVE ON. YOU ARE NOT SAVING ANYONE ANYTHING! I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.

I HAVE HAD SUCH LOVELY EXPERIENCES WITH KIND PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH THEM, WHEN THEIR MONEY IS TIGHT. I HAVE SLOWLY SOLD MOST OF MY BELOVED COLLECTION DUE TO MY OWN INJURIES. YOU TWO ARE THE ONLY ONES AND YOU ARE STILL HOLDING ON TO THIS??? MALIGNING ME FOR A DELAY IN SHIPPING. I HAVE SOLD 2 BEAUTIFUL ADULT INDIGOS FOR $3000 CASH, HALF UPFRONT AND HALF 2 MONTHS LATER, I HAVE ALSO SOLD AND MADE THOUSANDS FROM THE SALES OF: A BEAUTIFUL ADULT FEMALE BLOOD BOA , 3 ADULT FEMALE LEOPARDS FROM GERMANY, AN ADULT MOTLEY HET LEOPARD, AN ADULT FEMALE SUNGLOW AND AN ADULT MALE PEARL ISLAND...ALL WITH ZERO PROBLEMS!!!!!!! THE DIFFERENCE WAS IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, THE BABY BRB SNAKE HAD A RETAINED EYECAP AND I DID NOT WANT TO MAIL IT TO ROB UNTIL IT RESOLVED ...AND I UNDERESTIMATED ROB'S CHARACTER AND PATIENCE. A COLLEAGUE OF MINE EVEN TRIED TO TELL YOU BOTH MY STANDARDS ARE HIGH; AS HE VISITS MY SNAKE ROOM OFTEN AND YOU ATTACKED HIM TOO!! SHAME ON YOU! FOR CREATING 8000 VISITS FOR THIS ONE INCIDENT (A RETAINED EYECAP) AND THEREFORE DELAYED SHIPMENT. I ENDED UP REFUNDING ROB BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO LET THE ISSUES RESOLVE ...EVEN THOUGH WHILE THE ISSUES WAS RESOLVING, IT WAS AT MY EXPENSE . I HAVE ALSO GIVEN AWAY 21 FREE SNAKES THAT WERE WORTH A FORTUNE... BECAUSE OF MY INJURIES, ALREADY GRIEF-STRICKEN, I HAD TO ACCEPT MY LIMITATIONS. I HAVE LOST THOUSANDS ON MY INVESTMENTS. SO WHAT? AND I HAVE MADE BACK SOME THOUSANDS ON SOME OF MY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT. I STILL CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL MOST OF ALL. AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS. EVEN AFTER THE SALE OR GIFT, I CONTACT THEM AND MAKE SURE THE SNAKES ARE OK, MONTHS LATER.

I SUGGEST YOU START PRACTICING MINDFULNESS, STOP LIVING IN VENGEANCE, LET GO, FORGIVE YOURSELF, ME AND ANYONE ELSE YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BULLY, AND INVESTIGATE YOUR APPARENT ENJOYMENT IN ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION. YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU OR ME. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO ALL DAY BUT STALK FAUNA WAITING TO POUNCE...THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PREDATOR. YES I STOPPED YOU FROM DEFACATING ON MY NEW THREAD. I EMAILED FAUNA ABOUT KATHLEEN AND THEY TAUGHT ME HOW TO DISABLE THREADS SO SHE COULDN'T...

AND BY THE WAY, THAT BEAUTIFUL BRB DID RESOLVE HIS EYE CAP, THOUGH IT DID TAKE AWHILE. ROB DECLARED HIS INTENTION WITH THAT BABY: HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BREED IT. WELL BRB IS STILL NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BREED, SO WHAT DID ROB CARE, IF I TOOK CARE OF HIM AT MY EXPENSE WHILE THE ISSUE RESOLVED. AND REMEMBER, I DO NOT MAKE A LIVING OFF OF SNAKES AND HAD OTHER THINGS TO ATTEND TO, SO I WENT ABOUT MY LIFE ASSUMING ALL WAS WELL AND TELLING ROB TO KEEP COOL AND CALM. BUT HE WOULDN'T, HE COULDN'T. HE INTERPRETED THE WAITING GAME INTO A PRESUMED MALICIOUS ACT. MEANWHILE, DO YOU REMEMBER, I HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY??? DID YOU TELL ANYONE I HAD TO GO TO GREECE?? NOT ONE WORD OF CONDOLENCES TO ME DID EITHER OF YOU SPEAK. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU?

SO TO ALL THE WORLD, LET IT BE KNOWN, I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO KATHY. SHE MAILED A CHECK AND I DID NOT CASH IT. SHE DECIDED TO STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK ANYWAY AND COST HERSELF A FEW BUCKS. THE BRB ULTIMATELY HAD A SHED/EYE CAP ISSUE THAT CAUSED A DELAYED SHIPPING. ROB, DECIDED, HE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT, AND INVENTED, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE SNAKE, ,MALICIOUS INTENTIONS WHEN THERE WERE NONE. IN THE END, I REFUNDED HIM AND DECIDED I DIDNT LIKE HOW HE HANDLED ME OR THE SNAKE AND I MOVED ON. I HAD NO IDEA THE WITCH HUNT WAS EVEN GOING ONWARD ON FAUNA UNTIL ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS TOLD ME.

MOVING TO THE PRESENT, BRB IS KNOCK-OUT GORGEOUS. HAD ROB WAITED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. YES, IT TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED. BUT IRREGARDLESS, I WILL BE SELLING BRB TO A KIND NEW OWNER WITH EASE AND GRACE TO A HAPPIER KINDER GENTLER BUYER. I AM STILL PRETTY NEW TO FAUNA RULES AS THIS IS THE FIRST UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD WITH A SNAKE/SALE.

I HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS AND FEEL BAD ABOUT IT BUT ALSO TRAUMATIZED AND HAVE GROWN TO LOATH THE WHOLE SNAKE ONLINE WORLD OF EXPLOITATION. THIS WAS ONCE MY BELOVED PASSION AND MY HEART WAS INNOCENT. NOW I JUST WANT TO CRINGE AT HOW PEOPLE TREAT EACH OTHER AND HOW THEY TREAT SNAKES. ULTIMATELY GREAT SPIRIT TAKE THIS BURDEN AND FREE MY SOUL.
 
Thank you Kathleen. I actually clicked on the ad and saw that gorgeous snake, then noticed who the seller was.

Lisa, first, lose the caps. Second, get over yourself. Third, lose the "victim" crap. Yeah, you are "traumatized" by your original Bad Guy thread that likely would NOT have been resolved had Robert not posted here. And yet, you are so traumatized, here you are again.

There is no bullying going on here, no one needs to forgive themselves, lol. This is just an update to let prospective buyers of that beautiful (yes, it is absolutely gorgeous) snake who they may be dealing with. THAT is what the BOI is about. Buyers can read, weigh it all out, ask questions and make up their own minds.

I do find it interesting you make it clear in your ad that you will "speak by voice" to prospective buyers. Most prospective sellers/ buyers would rather speak by voice and back it up with text / emails to have a written record in the event something goes wrong, either for you, the seller, or the buyer ... just saying. Good luck; that boa is absolutely gorgeous.
 
I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.
And you accuse others of bullying? People can express facts, experiences and opinions, threatening them with legal interventions simply makes you look silly and ineffective.

YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER.
Could you cite your authority for this statement please? :rolleyes:


I responded to an ad for a high red Brazilian Rainbow Boa male yearling on Kingsnake.com for $300. I wanted to use PayPal or Visa, but she insisted on a personal check. I sent her the check and she cashed it on September 6, 2016. Weeks later she said the snake had been neglected while she was out of town and that it had a stuck shed. I requested a refund. She refused citing my "poor attitude." She stated that I "didn't deserve a refund." She never shipped the snake and cut off contact with me in the middle of October.

It is now December 4th. I have filed and Internet Crime Report, a U.S. postal mail fraud case, and Kingsnake.com has suspended her account.

She still has my money, and I am out $300.

Beware of Lisa Apramian.



Hi, Yes. PayPal has notified me that the funds did clear today.

Thank you all again for your support. I really appreciate it. If it were not for this board I never would have seen my money again.

Thank you.

robert
Robert, I agree. I'm glad you got your refund, and I'm glad you posted this issue on Fauna.
 
hide behind the safety of your computer..you do not know me

Laura, Are you a physician, are you a therapist? Are you qualified to diagnose or treat PTSD? No. So do not presume to know anything about my traumas. I ask that people call so I can hear the voice and have a nice long initial interview to rule out anyone that I don't think is a good adoption of my pets; especially Moonglow. Again, you presume that voice is suspicious. Perhaps I come from another generation and like voice better. Anyway there is plenty of texting that will happen. I simply said I will not do sale until I speak. Thank God I care about my animals enough to not jump at the first buyer's interest. You can not get that from a text. And these cyber terrorists thrive in this world of texting from the safety of their computer and are wasting my time. If you want to talk to me pick up the phone and then you will have to be a real person, not a judge and jury. One unfortunate experience, which was never a rip off, only a delay, does not make for what they did the first time, let alone starting it up all over again this re-ification which is very stressful. As I said, I am a very sensitive person and have experienced a very heavy loss. I do not do well with bullies and have had my share my whole life . I am in adrenal exhaustion. Since no one was ever ripped off, you might try re-reading my explanation which took up this whole Friday and instead of parenting a 56 yo woman, try having some empathy and neutrality. Your reply is still biased and it appears you too like the cyber rodeo. Too bad for you and all the your that will continue the abuse from the safety of their computers... Moonglow already has a new owner.
 
Again, a biased answer and you do not even know me

You have no idea of the damage Kathleen caused in my life. Lawyers are there to protect perpetrators in our country. There was no rip off, only a delay. Move on, You do not even know me and my sweet snake is already re-homed.
 
You have no idea of the damage Kathleen caused in my life. Lawyers are there to protect perpetrators in our country. There was no rip off, only a delay. Move on, You do not even know me and my sweet snake is already re-homed.
I believe that readers who read the original thread may see that you caused your own damage by your own words and behavior.
Are you saying that because you have a lawyer, you are a perpetrator?
 
madness; its sad. everyone has a part

you don't even read correctly, don't waste all our time! It took 2 people are each had their part and then all the insanity that cyber attacking co-created on top of that. Negativity to no end.
 
you don't even read correctly, don't waste all our time! It took 2 people are each had their part and then all the insanity that cyber attacking co-created on top of that. Negativity to no end.

Lisa, you sound impaired. Come back when you can make sense.

Don't whine about negativity after you created the initial situation. Did you expect people to pay you on the back after your behavior?
As for your time, you chose to return here and post again, knowing that it was inevitable that the disaster you created with the first thread would be available for viewing. I am glad that Robert posted to this community, it is my opinion that had he not done so, he would not have received anything.
 
A delay does not mean a rip off. Lets see what happens now

To all the cyber terrorists: There was a delay. No rip off. Be accurate. . Buyer panicked and deliberately created a war, instead of exercising patience and faith. Because he assumed the worst and is comfortable with direct assaults when he feels powerless. I refunded him. so no beware.. why don't you let this be so you can see it was an unusual situation and won't happen again. Im certain of that and I learned some things about customer service and how different people react to not having control.

Now give it a chance next time.
 
Lisa, I do not know if you understand that in this indudtry, as well as in life, there are acceptable delays and *UNACCEPTABLE* delays. Sometimes it's an agreement between the two parties that chooses the terming of the delay.

A paying customer was not okay with your necessitated long wait time on a snake, therefore the delay was UNACCEPTABLE. Do you get it?? He requested his money back, and you made him wait. Citing that the wait should have been okay with him "if he truly cared about the snake" was churlish and highly unprofessional. Borderline childish. The snake had a shed snafu, he wanted his money back. He should have gotten it, immediately.

You firmly maintain your innocence and that you had a right to keep his $300 for a period of time not agreeable to only you.

But you didnt have a right to do that. Unacceptable.

It's not okay to accept money for an animal (or anything really) and then determine on your own accord what an acceptable delay for shipping or refunding would be. *You don't get to choose by yourself. It wasn't your money*

You got pounded by this community because you did wrong. Then you got smacked around further because of your indifferent attitude towards your responsibilities towards your buyers and negative language to those two individuals who only sought to purchase an animal from you.

I understand that this BOI thread is causing you grief. Truly. But that grief is warranted and has purpose.
I urge you to apologize for your previous actions towards those you have harmed, as you have yet to do so.
Only in setting aside your pride, and by understanding and validating the feelings of angst you have caused to those who started the original thread, will the trauma from this begin to heal.
 
treat LSD? ...... Perhaps I come from another PLANET....
Somehow, my bolded amendments seem so much more likely. For whatever reason, you just can't seem to operate on the plane of reality that most of the rest of the world occupies. Drop all the psychobabble and pseudo-victim buzzwords; get over yourself long enough to climb down off the cross that seems so comfortable to you; come back down to Earth. :notallthe

All that your nonsense is telling me, is that you clearly haven't learned a damn thing since your last appearance on this forum.
 
impairment comes from bullying by many many people

it was an unusual situation and won't happen again. Im certain of that and I learned some things about customer service and how different people react to not having control. Lets move on. We have rehashed this 12 pages long. 7 months ago. Now we are right back to doing it again. broken record .

Now give it a chance next time. once out of 80 plus sales...
 
no Lucille, we each have different ways of doing, there is no wrong making..both sides handled the situation different. GET it?I have had plenty of customers that are fine waiting. He was the first that did not. PS> Are you a licensed dr?????
 
differences, now this has been hammered fr 7 months ..

no Lucille, we each have different ways of doing, there is no wrong making..both sides handled the situation different. GET it?I have had plenty of customers that are fine waiting. He was the first that did not. PS> Are you a licensed dr?????

finally no one was ripped off. just differences of how to handle.

I did learn something if you other to read the rest of the threads and not just the first
 
Lets move on.
Sorry, no. You are not going to hush comment here.
You returned to this site purportedly to make a sale, and the BOI was created specifically to help protect the reptile community in their transactions, by allowing both accounts of experiences with buyers/sellers and community opinion.

Certainly I believe that people who have decided to mend their ways deserve a second chance.

This does not apply to you, obviously. Your references to bullying when referring to community comment, and your laughable attempts to bully by mentioning that you may get your attorney involved (bring it), convince me that you have not changed at all.

I'm thinking there actually may be more to this issue than your purported sale of a snake. I'm wondering if those you deal with in your other 'businesses' have read the original 'Bad Guy Lisa' thread on the internet and have questions about your ethics. Perhaps this second visit to this site was an attempt by you to do damage control.

how different people react to not having control.
You seem to be on the verge of a tantrum because you can't control community comment here.
 
Lisa, I would've left well enough alone, if you had not deleted your original ad with my link. You obviously wanted to keep this buried, and thought deleting your ad would do it.

Instead, you come un-glued in typical fashion. Why don't you take all of your education and experience, and focus it inward, rather than on everyone else? It's okay to be wrong, and to make mistakes sometimes. It's how you react, and work to resolve those mistakes that matters.

You've proven, once again, that you are someone to stay far away from.

Kathy
 
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