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Trader's Ratings promotion

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We've had the Trader's Ratings function on this site nearly forever, it seems, but from what I can tell, it is only very lightly used by anyone. Truth be known, I suspect that nearly half the people here don't even know it exists, and the other half just forgot about it completely.

So a little while back while I was involved in testing the Trader's Ratings because of a failure related with the server migration, I got to thinking about it. Mostly because while testing, I decided the best way to test was to actually DO a Trader's Rating on someone, and decided that using a member who just purchased a Benefactor level membership would fit that bill.

So after the testing, I was going to delete the positive rating I gave, but then gave pause to think about it a bit. Why not leave it? After all, wasn't this actually a commercial transaction? As such, am I not justified in doing my own Trader's Ratings for such people who are financially supporting this site?

Of course, one thing led to another, and I started thinking that perhaps I really should do this for ALL members who are helping to financially support this site. This could have a desired side effect of introducing them to the Trader's Ratings (or perhaps re-introducing them), and perhaps show them it's usage and perhaps act as encouragement for them to USE it much more than it has been in the past.

So here is the deal. Beginning on October 1, 2017, I will give positive Trader's Ratings for every member who donates $$ to this site, either as a paying level member, or a sponsor of any forum. This, of course, is going to be experimental in the sense that I want to see if this action will have a positive effect on several fronts for this site and the membership. Honestly, it is a completely manual process I will have to do, so if I discover that it has absolutely no positive effect, then I will discontinue the practice as soon as I come to my senses. But otherwise, hoping for the best, this will be implemented at the beginning of the month.

Unless, of course, one or more people can convince me of something I haven't thought of that would actually be detrimental to this site.

So there you have it. Probably won't mean a hill of beans to most people, but maybe some people might like this change.
 
I'm probably in the extreme minority, but I'm a paying level member who never buys or sells, so giving me a trader rating would be a bit misleading.

Not that I'd mind having it, of course, and as I don't trade, my rating affects noting, but just thinkin'....
 
I'm a firm believer in the trader ratings and the BOI. People can say what they want to, it can help or harm your business. I guess we should all be giving Rich trader ratings as well. Things are changing and I'm not completely sure in which direction, but this is the only outlet I've used for sales, ever. I've met a lot of great people through this site and will continue to support it.
 
Helenthereef said:
I'm probably in the extreme minority, but I'm a paying level member who never buys or sells, so giving me a trader rating would be a bit misleading.

Not that I'd mind having it, of course, and as I don't trade, my rating affects noting, but just thinkin'....
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I don't sell either, but I buy animals occasionally. Still, I think the ratings are helpful for getting an idea about a potential customer, as well. They show if people are good customers - paying when they say they will, good communication, do they initiate charge-backs prematurely?, etc.

Most of the attention is on the sellers' conduct, but there have been some nightmare customers here too.

Helen, even if you never sell, you are still a valued member here, and I enjoy your posts!

Kathy
 
I thought it was cool to get a rating from the man himself lol and that will probably be incentive to continue financial support of the site from me. I don't sell or buy much anymore and fell away from my memberships but I still come here and use the boi. I love all that fauna has done for me and the community! I truly enjoy it and a small contribution is just a way of saying thanks.
 
Well, I have been keeping up my end in the bargain for this, but not sure how much of an impact it has been having with people using the Trader's Feedback more often. I have noticed that nearly every one I leave positive feedback for has not had a previous feedback applied from anyone in years.

But I'll keep at it for a while longer in case I am just having to overcome a lot of dead weight inertia to get things moving again. Besides, it's not like I am being flooded with memberships and sponsorships where this is a lot of work for me...... :eek:
 
I've been trying to get ratings to work for me, but I keep getting a message saying that I don't have permission to leave ratings. :(
 
I appreciate the trader ratings and your efforts. I try to make it a point to rate everyone I deal with.
 
I like the trader ratings, but most of the folks I do business with don't have paid accounts and can't leave feedback. I'd like to see it stay even if it appears to get minimal use. I leave feedback for all those I do business with, paid account or not. I do feel it's just an additional, helpful tool to screen the good from the bad.
 
bcr229 said:
Only site sponsors and paying members can leave ratings.
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Actually that is not exactly accurate. Only members with paid accounts can use the trader's ratings. The sponsorships are not tied to any elevated member group, which is what the Trader's Ratings are tied to. The reason for that is because sponsorships are considered as being an "advertising" avenue instead of a "contributing" avenue, because, well, they both were implemented at different times with different incentives in mind.

That being said, I have been toying with the idea of changing all that, but not something I have yet had the mental stamina to address.
 
WebSlave said:
Actually that is not exactly accurate. Only members with paid accounts can use the trader's ratings. The sponsorships are not tied to any elevated member group, which is what the Trader's Ratings are tied to. The reason for that is because sponsorships are considered as being an "advertising" avenue instead of a "contributing" avenue, because, well, they both were implemented at different times with different incentives in mind.

That being said, I have been toying with the idea of changing all that, but not something I have yet had the mental stamina to address.
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I'm still sorting this out some and may have a mis-perception?

So traders rating are B2B, actual customers don't have a way to say they find the seller was good, or bad, is that right?

Is there a central page with "rules".

I got a warning a few years ago about suggesting PayPal fees would increase price, and yet see other suggest it. Pay by check discount would in effect be the same thing without explicitly saying something about PayPal fees. The agree to terms page might be linked to an all encompassing "rules" page maybe?

There are many outhouse lawyers here, good and bad at the same time. Looking for clarity.

Will, Biologist
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Sounds like a good idea to me. I try to rate anyone I have a transaction with but forget sometimes too. Might help with reminding people it's there. I do look at them when thinking about buying or selling from someone.
 
Kapidolo Farms said:
I'm still sorting this out some and may have a mis-perception?

So traders rating are B2B, actual customers don't have a way to say they find the seller was good, or bad, is that right?
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Of course customers can rate a seller using the Trader's Ratings. They can rate a seller as Positive, Negative, or Neutral. That is what it is there for and why it is called a rating system. Of course, they must have a Contributor level membership or above in order to use the system, the reason for which has been talked about several times here.

Kapidolo Farms said:
Is there a central page with "rules".
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Not really. One reason is because I just haven't put in that kind of effort to try to itemize the rules beyond localized areas where such rules may apply. Another reason there is not is because there is a lot of past history that indicates to me that most people wouldn't read such a thing anyway.

Kapidolo Farms said:
I got a warning a few years ago about suggesting PayPal fees would increase price,
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Not trying to dispute your claim, but I seriously doubt you would get a warning from staff or myself for what you claim. My guess is that there were associated extenuating circumstances for which you actually got such a warning. But please correct me with a direct link to what you claim if I am mistaken.

Kapidolo Farms said:
and yet see other suggest it. Pay by check discount would in effect be the same thing without explicitly saying something about PayPal fees. The agree to terms page might be linked to an all encompassing "rules" page maybe?

There are many outhouse lawyers here, good and bad at the same time. Looking for clarity.

Will, Biologist
Kapidolo Farms
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