Why so much for Lechies??

[Cutloe]

There are ALWAYS cheap leachies available. You need to look at the parents and decide what a baby is worth to you. No breeder is forcing you to buy their animals. As an example, the top photo is one of my island mix pairs. The bottom is of my pure pine island pair. Are you seriously suggesting that I should be selling babies from the mix pair for less? Because NO. That would make me an idiot.

Second, earlier you said "That's a step forward towards respectable dialogue, congrats! Now let's see if we can differentiate between a question and a "rant". Sorry, I'm not a professional internet blogger, I'll go to the discussion area next time". And yet you literally just said "The breeders are glad you did this [moved the thread to the discussion forum], because they want to protect thier investment. I purposely put this in the add section so BUYERS can see how they are being RAPED". So it sounds like you are both ranting and being manipulative. Make up your mind. Also, comparing a breeders asking price for a luxury item which is in no way necessary to a buyer to rape is a pretty shit move on your part. Do better.

How much are your lechies? How much are your cheapest ones and why are they price cheaper than the others. Try your best to answer this without proving my point.

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[eperras]

I have 8 pairs going this season. Every pair is priced differently depending on (in this order) 1)the looks of the parents 2)the looks of adult siblings from the same pairs 3)the locality 4)the appearance of babies individually. It is a completely arbitrary scale based on my ideal looking gecko because they are luxury items. Babies go between $400-$2000. And guess what? My mixed ones are the highest price because they are the most beautiful. If you want to get into the market, go for it. Try breeding these guys, watch how difficult it is. One day you will wake up to a pair that has turned on each other and you will be missing toes, tails or a face, or god forbid a dead gecko that you just put 5 years into, and the pair will likely never tolerate each other again. So good luck with your rant about how the market is rape.

 

[Cutloe]

I have 8 pairs going this season. Every pair is priced differently depending on (in this order) 1)the looks of the parents 2)the looks of adult siblings from the same pairs 3)the locality 4)the appearance of babies individually. It is a completely arbitrary scale based on my ideal looking gecko because they are luxury items. Babies go between $400-$2000. And guess what? My mixed ones are the highest price because they are the most beautiful. If you want to get into the market, go for it. Try breeding these guys, watch how difficult it is. One day you will wake up to a pair that has turned on each other and you will be missing toes, tails or a face, or god forbid a dead gecko that you just put 5 years into, and the pair will likely never tolerate each other again. So good luck with your rant about how the market is rape.

Thank you for proving my point. Your cheapest one was sold for 600 and you claim you have the "most beautiful " . Secondly, I'm not a breeder I'm a pet owner. You do it for the money I do it for the love of the animal and education to others to help preserve our wildlife. You'd sell your lechies to anyone for the right price. I wouldn't sell you anything because my animals are my family. You see the difference? I don't want in your market because your market is the reason why PETA is pushing for licensing.

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[Cutloe]

I have 8 pairs going this season. Every pair is priced differently depending on (in this order) 1)the looks of the parents 2)the looks of adult siblings from the same pairs 3)the locality 4)the appearance of babies individually. It is a completely arbitrary scale based on my ideal looking gecko because they are luxury items. Babies go between $400-$2000. And guess what? My mixed ones are the highest price because they are the most beautiful. If you want to get into the market, go for it. Try breeding these guys, watch how difficult it is. One day you will wake up to a pair that has turned on each other and you will be missing toes, tails or a face, or god forbid a dead gecko that you just put 5 years into, and the pair will likely never tolerate each other again. So good luck with your rant about how the market is rape.

Babies go between 400 and 2000 ?!?!? A 1600 dollar price difference??? What's a $400 lechie? What's a $2000 Leachie? I've yet to see one for 2000 so please show me this marvelous Leachie and then show me the one for 400....

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[eperras]

I literally just did broski. You also just told me that my cheapest went for $600 when I clearly wrote $400 so you aren't reading either. I also didn't say that I had the most beautiful leachies, but that ones from my most beautiful pair are that price. I absolutely would not sell to "anyone" at any price point, I am pretty discerning about who I sell to. I have had plenty of outrageous offers which i have turned down. If you want to bitch about it some more, go talk to steve camelli (the biggest breeder in the country, and arguably the most valuable breeder as far as conservation is concerned since he has the largest collection of pure locality pairs in the country) and ask him what some of his babies go for. You would really throw a bitch fit then.

Also, I freaking love my geckos. They get huge, beautiful bioactive tanks and I have turned my entire living room into their space. So thats a dumbass argument too. You don't want a discussion, you just want to bitch about people not giving you what you want. And guess what? I have never turned a profit on my gecko collection. I use the money from selling babies to buy other babies from even cooler parents. Most of us do. You can call yourself a pet owner and claim that you are into conservation/education/protecting wildlife but what are you ACTUALLY doing for those ends? Because it looks like you just sit around stroking your ego.

 

[Cutloe]

I literally just did broski. You also just told me that my cheapest went for $600 when I clearly wrote $400 so you aren't reading either. I also didn't say that I had the most beautiful leachies, but that ones from my most beautiful pair are that price. I absolutely would not sell to "anyone" at any price point, I am pretty discerning about who I sell to. I have had plenty of outrageous offers which i have turned down. If you want to bitch about it some more, go talk to steve camelli (the biggest breeder in the country, and arguably the most valuable breeder as far as conservation is concerned since he has the largest collection of pure locality pairs in the country) and ask him what some of his babies go for. You would really throw a bitch fit then.

Also, I freaking love my geckos. They get huge, beautiful bioactive tanks and I have turned my entire living room into their space. So thats a dumbass argument too. You don't want a discussion, you just want to bitch about people not giving you what you want. And guess what? I have never turned a profit on my gecko collection. I use the money from selling babies to buy other babies from even cooler parents. Most of us do. You can call yourself a pet owner and claim that you are into conservation/education/protecting wildlife but what are you ACTUALLY doing for those ends? Because it looks like you just sit around stroking your ego.

I wouldn't buy anything from someone who uses the b word as much as you do. Your wife should be ashamed and if you talked to me this way in person you'd be spending 2000 on more than a lechie. You're a breeder and that's cool but I'm not into beating a dead horse... My objective is to shed light on this and as your comments say on your post "Ha!" Good luck

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[Cutloe]

I literally just did broski. You also just told me that my cheapest went for $600 when I clearly wrote $400 so you aren't reading either. I also didn't say that I had the most beautiful leachies, but that ones from my most beautiful pair are that price. I absolutely would not sell to "anyone" at any price point, I am pretty discerning about who I sell to. I have had plenty of outrageous offers which i have turned down. If you want to bitch about it some more, go talk to steve camelli (the biggest breeder in the country, and arguably the most valuable breeder as far as conservation is concerned since he has the largest collection of pure locality pairs in the country) and ask him what some of his babies go for. You would really throw a bitch fit then.

Also, I freaking love my geckos. They get huge, beautiful bioactive tanks and I have turned my entire living room into their space. So thats a dumbass argument too. You don't want a discussion, you just want to bitch about people not giving you what you want. And guess what? I have never turned a profit on my gecko collection. I use the money from selling babies to buy other babies from even cooler parents. Most of us do. You can call yourself a pet owner and claim that you are into conservation/education/protecting wildlife but what are you ACTUALLY doing for those ends? Because it looks like you just sit around stroking your ego.

And I got 600 from your page... your cheapest one you sold was 600... You never had one for sale for 400. I'm in Atlanta and we can meet up and discuss it in person anytime you like...

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[eperras]

My little brotato, which "b" word are you referring to? I want you to know that I am a woman, and you are the kind of man who just threatened assault of a woman over the internet (for using a word that you don't approve of, no less) so you best get off that high horse. I hope that your poor wife doesn't have to see this trash fire side of you.

 

[eperras]

PS, as you can see, I have listed very few babies on here. Most have sold in person, and the listings that are available on here gives you a negligible sample size.

 

[Cutloe]

My little brotato, which "b" word are you referring to? I want you to know that I am a woman, and you are the kind of man who just threatened assault of a woman over the internet (for using a word that you don't approve of, no less) so you best get off that high horse. I hope that your poor wife doesn't have to see this trash fire side of you.

"Bitching" and "Bitch" are the B words you used. Words I would expect to hear from a low life man so excuse me for thinking you were that! You resort to foul language yet have neglected to prove the reasoning for high prices on non locale specific lechies.

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[eperras]

The photos are reason enough. Go find cheap babies available from a pair that looks as sick as that and then come whine some more. Ladies these days use all kinds of language because honey, its not the 1950s anymore!

 

[Cutloe]

The photos are reason enough. Go find cheap babies available from a pair that looks as sick as that and then come whine some more. Ladies these days use all kinds of language because honey, its not the 1950s anymore!

Some "Lady" you are using such language. You have yet to show me a pic of one you're selling for 400!!!

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[eperras]

The photos of the parents are reason enough for that price. Go find babies from parents that sick and then come whine about the price some more. And ladies use all kinds of language these days because honey, its not the 1950s anymore!

 

[eperras]

Oh, you want to see the $400 leachie babies, thats your problem? Its female siblings from the same parents as the $600 males that you scoped out. Because if you had done substantial research about this species, you would know that they hatch out at a rate of about 6 females for every male and yet they can only be kept in 1.1 pairs so females are way cheaper and easier to find. You can question my ladyhood all you want but do I hope you realize that it doesn't make you manlier to threaten assault to women who don't adhere to your wildly outdated standard of femininity.

 

[Cutloe]

Oh, you want to see the $400 leachie babies, thats your problem? Its female siblings from the same parents as the $600 males that you scoped out. Because if you had done substantial research about this species, you would know that they hatch out at a rate of about 6 females for every male and yet they can only be kept in 1.1 pairs so females are way cheaper and easier to find. You can question my ladyhood all you want but do I hope you realize that it doesn't make you manlier to threaten assault to women who don't adhere to your wildly outdated standard of femininity.

I thought you had some for 400??? You don't. Oh ok... I thought you were a man using that language... oh you're not Ok? You have licence for your pet sales? What company name and what taxes did you charge?

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[eperras]

They sold my little broneroni! And I just filed my taxes yesterday! Im a hobbyist, so they actually go under "hobby income" in case you were wondering. Also I took screencaps of this whole convo so if you keep harassing me, ill file a police report and send them to your wife!

 

[Cutloe]

They sold my little broneroni! And I just filed my taxes yesterday! Im a hobbyist, so they actually go under "hobby income" in case you were wondering. Also I took screencaps of this whole convo so if you keep harassing me, ill file a police report and send them to your wife!

It'll be here. File it ASAP!!

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[Helenthereef]

Well, this escalated quickly..............

Gotta say I'm siding with eperras on this one. Maybe I've missed something, but I do not see why Cutloe is so upset about the price someone sets on their own geckos. As has been pointed out before, you are not being forced to buy them. If s/he thinks they are worth $XXX and you don't, they have the complete right not to drop their price and you have the complete right not to buy them. Value is in the eye of both the seller and purchaser.

Also, this is getting VERY personal, and I'd urge a bit of restraint on the accusatory tone and name calling before a mod passes by and someone ends up with infractions or bans.

 

[Lucille]

The breeders are glad you did this, because they want to protect thier investment. I purposely put this in the add section so BUYERS can see how they are being RAPED.

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That is silly. Every once in a while someone comes along and wants to personally fix prices on some sort of reptile to allegedly protect buyers. But buyers are not babies, they do not need protection if there is sufficient information available which there is. It does not take most buyers very long to sort through prices and see what is the average market price, and then to check out the BOI for a seller's rep for health and quality, which can justifiably add to the price. If an animal is way above market price and there is no reason for the escalated price, likely it won't sell. There is simply zero evidence for leachie market collusion.

As has been pointed out before, you are not being forced to buy them. If s/he thinks they are worth $XXX and you don't, they have the complete right not to drop their price and you have the complete right not to buy them. Value is in the eye of both the seller and purchaser.