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Bad Guy Keven Vogenberger Misrepresenting Imports.

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Ran across this ad in the skink forum,he is clearly trying to sell imported blue tongue skinks as captive breds.





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Name : Keven vogenberger
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Captive born baby halmahera blue tongue skinks 179.99
I have some adorable little captive bred baby halmahera blue tongue skinks available for 179.99 plus shipping. These little skinks are all feeding great and doing great. Please call 239-233-7585.
I provide live arrival guaranty and I guarantee my reptiles to be healthy upon arrival. Everything is shipped next day over night. If there is an issue with the animal upon arrival I need to be called within one hour of being delivered. I will need pictures of the animal with our shipping box taken however we want the pictures taken.by purchasing this animal you agree to my terms
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elena said:
Ed, how do you know they are WC?
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Did not say wild caught.

Said imports, not ruling out WC though.probably CH imports. that is when the natives catch gravid females and hold them until they drop a litter of babies.then all kinds of bad things happen to that adult that dropped the litter of babies.

Like the females get exported,many of those mothers will die in shipment or maybe they don't get exported and just eaten.

Read keven2's ad.
title says captive born and the body of ad says captive bred.
they sure as hell are not captive bred.
 
Assuming he did get these animals from Strictly, how does that tell us that they are WC? Doesn't Strictly sell both imports and CBB?
 
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Keven either, BUT, there is a sad lack of evidence on this thread and it’s looking a little too much like the Salem trials for my taste. Can anyone actually substantiate the wc origins, and if not, can we stop the baseless bashing?
 
Fat Frog said:
Read keven2's ad.
title says captive born and the body of ad says captive bred.
they sure as hell are not captive bred.
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For those of us who, like me, do not keep and who are not familiar with skinks, can you point out how you can determine this from the ad and/or pictures?
 
To my knowledge, true CB skinks are in the $250 - $350 range.

That isn't to say his aren't, I don't know for certain. I myself would ask who the breeder was, as anyone who has bought CB skinks would have that information for their potential customers.
 
R3dguitarist said:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Keven either, BUT, there is a sad lack of evidence on this thread and it’s looking a little too much like the Salem trials for my taste. Can anyone actually substantiate the wc origins, and if not, can we stop the baseless bashing?
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This.....all day long, especially considering the source.
 
Fat Frog said:
Read keven2's ad.
title says captive born and the body of ad says captive bred.
they sure as hell are not captive bred.
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Here is another ad for tegus with the same language, using the 2 terms interchangeably, but with photos of eggs and what is apparently a newly hatched baby.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664691

Did you contact Keven to clarify the language, or did you come straight here to post another bad guy thread?

Not saying I would personally feel comfortable buying from Keven, but I fail to see how this thread is helpful.
 
I don't know Keven at all but he's not got a bad name so I like to give people the benefit of the doubt lol Let's say he does go down to strictly and picks out the best CH of the lot and ups the price a little. To some there might be value in that. Sure they could order directly but perhaps they like the idea of having someone local looking over the stock, sending individual pics, etc. Anything born in indo, I personally would list as ch not cb no matter what I was told, but that's just me.
 
snakesareawesome said:
I don't know Keven at all but he's not got a bad name so I like to give people the benefit of the doubt lol Let's say he does go down to strictly and picks out the best CH of the lot and ups the price a little. To some there might be value in that. Sure they could order directly but perhaps they like the idea of having someone local looking over the stock, sending individual pics, etc. Anything born in indo, I personally would list as ch not cb no matter what I was told, but that's just me.
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Keven has had some less than stellar transactions, to be honest. He may have even had one with regards to captive hatched vs. captive bred origin (I do not specifically recall). Captive bred/born/hatched have been erroneously used interchangeably for years, and many times unintentionally.

The whole point here is that Ed is assuming they are indo imports, and I'm not sure I would label this particular ad as dishonest until I, as a buyer, asked further questions about the origins of the animals. I know I would not intentionally seek out to smear someone with whom I had no intention of doing business based on some ambiguous wording.
 
I don't know Keven or Fat frogs but sure seems like Fat frogs loves to attack Keven, right or wrong. Any add I have ever seen from Keven Fat frogs has to blast him, seems kinda obsessed.
 
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