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Inquiry John Farr dealings and husbandry practices.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

To clarify, there is a dwarf burm sub species. Although its very rare, and currently only in a few states, there is only 1 known dwarf morph, all of its genetics reside in Austria with a few hets around Europe.

So if you see a albino granite dwarf burm, its false. Its at least a half dwarf, and at least F2. There is a distinctive way to tell based on head and eye shape though.
 
gila7150 said:
Thanks for sharing your experience with this guy. He's obviously not fit to care for a pet rock. If this guy is so afraid of a baby python bite that he would kill it he may want to trade the rest of his pythons for a Bichon Frise.
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I have a Bichon and I will bet my bank account my Bichon is more bitey than all his pythons.

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Wow. The way he callously describes euthing your snakes to you, like hes trying to emotionally hurt you with the info, is very telling. This is an animal abuser who has no care for his animal's wellbeing (hell, he attacks you for preventative care...). I don't believe he has bred his animals as he claims (he says his temperaments breed true...).
Moreover, he doesn't qt new animals but mites are a cause for culling, without any further testing? Those two positions are mutually exclusive. Either you care about biosecurity or you do not...
 
The whole weight given to this mite thing is skewed. They can come from ANYWHERE in this hobby. And, coming from experience, it happens more often then most of us would like. The key is simply to be vigilant and careful. Hell, just last month one of my T+ CA yearlings showed up one morning with a few mites, no clue how. She was in a display style cage stack with 7 other snakes/cages. Easy, open air flow between all cages. Bottom line - potential for complete stack infestation. Treated her, treated the others out of caution, sprayed down all cages and replaced substrate. This took all of 90 minutes at most. ONE TIME. Guess what? No more mites. Later I found out the mites came from a non kiln fired bag of bedding I had picked up in a rush, I discovered this by witnessing the mites on the white rats using the same bedding.

The moral of my story is that even seeing mites is not a huge issue if handled. Certainly not justifying Mr. Farr's responses or behavior. In fact, without any further health concerns euthanasia could be considered criminal. Further, the guidelines state to state vary but at least here in PA, freezing is not listed as a humane, acceptable method.
 
regardingmarley said:
The whole weight given to this mite thing is skewed. They can come from ANYWHERE in this hobby. And, coming from experience, it happens more often then most of us would like. The key is simply to be vigilant and careful. Hell, just last month one of my T+ CA yearlings showed up one morning with a few mites, no clue how. She was in a display style cage stack with 7 other snakes/cages. Easy, open air flow between all cages. Bottom line - potential for complete stack infestation. Treated her, treated the others out of caution, sprayed down all cages and replaced substrate. This took all of 90 minutes at most. ONE TIME. Guess what? No more mites. Later I found out the mites came from a non kiln fired bag of bedding I had picked up in a rush, I discovered this by witnessing the mites on the white rats using the same bedding.

The moral of my story is that even seeing mites is not a huge issue if handled. Certainly not justifying Mr. Farr's responses or behavior. In fact, without any further health concerns euthanasia could be considered criminal. Further, the guidelines state to state vary but at least here in PA, freezing is not listed as a humane, acceptable method.
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So could those have been wood mites and not snake mites? If they were on the rats too I would assume they would be wood mites and not a danger to the snake. Like you said mites can come from anywhere but not all are really dangerous to the snakes, so for him to kill snakes over mites and not even knowing what type of mites is disgusting. Honestly I would have reported him to the proper authorities at that point of him saying he killed snakes over mites. Although it would have also looked bad on us all since they like to make one incident the fault of every reptile keeper.
 
ElexisOrtiz said:
So could those have been wood mites and not snake mites? If they were on the rats too I would assume they would be wood mites and not a danger to the snake. Like you said mites can come from anywhere but not all are really dangerous to the snakes
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Yes, absolutely they could have been, and most likely were contracted during a feeding. I noticed them going under scales and so I took precautions. But yeah, you and I are on the same page. My point, as you go on to echo in your post, is that euthanasia was both inhumane and unnecessary.
 
regardingmarley said:
Yes, absolutely they could have been, and most likely were contracted during a feeding. I noticed them going under scales and so I took precautions. But yeah, you and I are on the same page. My point, as you go on to echo in your post, is that euthanasia was both inhumane and unnecessary.
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Oh yes of course take precautions because at a glance it's hard to tell what kind they are if they haven't fed on the blood of the animal and gorged their selves. Also no one likes to see mites even if they are harmless. I would never kill a snake if it had mites. Now if the snake got a disease from biting another snake and passing it to mine then yea humane euthanisia by a vet after testing would be an option depending on disease and all others would be tested as well. Throwing them in a freezer for mites is beyond inhumane.
 
Mite infested burmese

You would rather I infect my whole collection and have aquire what ever disease that they re carrying. Your ignorance is amazing. You cuoldnt afford what I sell.
 
Jermosh youre deranged. Jon Grove sold myself and several others fake dwarf burmese that were mite infested. According ti Dr Funk hGrove sold mite infested burms to several others that year.
 
dogshead3 said:
According ti Dr Funk hGrove sold mite infested burms to several others that year.
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Do veterinarians announce who is selling what to who? I don't know. I am attempting to try to get in touch with Dr. Funk and ask.
While this thread is years old, I'm pretty sure that contacts with Mr. Farr would not easily be forgotten.
 
I am not quite sure why everyone is making light of mites. I got a new snake about 10 years ago that had mites, lucky for me, I had the snake in a different part of the room to my Ball collection. I made it very clear to the guy I got the snakes from that I was more than peeved....mites are not ok to give out as a "bonus" to your customers. This guy could have gotten mites from bedding, not sure, but it seems like most of you think mites are just a part of doing business.....not me!
 
I don't think people are making light of being sent a critter with mites. It certainly should NOT happen but it does, and you need to prepare for it with your QT practices.

OTOH John Farr's method of "mite control" per his emails from four years ago is to throw the infested critter in the freezer. That's not only inappropriate, it's inhumane, and it's enough to stop me from doing business with him.
 
bcr229 said:
OTOH John Farr's method of "mite control" per his emails from four years ago is to throw the infested critter in the freezer. That's not only inappropriate, it's inhumane, and it's enough to stop me from doing business with him.
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Absolutely. That, and the way he's treated the people who recently inquired about some boas.To be avoided like the plague.
 
David Reid said:
I am not quite sure why everyone is making light of mites. I got a new snake about 10 years ago that had mites, lucky for me, I had the snake in a different part of the room to my Ball collection. I made it very clear to the guy I got the snakes from that I was more than peeved....mites are not ok to give out as a "bonus" to your customers. This guy could have gotten mites from bedding, not sure, but it seems like most of you think mites are just a part of doing business.....not me!
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There are plenty of tried and true methods of dealing with mites on snakes although they are never welcome they do happen to the best of us.

HOWEVER PUTTING THE POOR CREATURE IN THE FREEZER IS NOT ONE OF THEM!
 
David Reid said:
I am not quite sure why everyone is making light of mites. I got a new snake about 10 years ago that had mites, lucky for me, I had the snake in a different part of the room to my Ball collection. I made it very clear to the guy I got the snakes from that I was more than peeved....mites are not ok to give out as a "bonus" to your customers. This guy could have gotten mites from bedding, not sure, but it seems like most of you think mites are just a part of doing business.....not me!
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Nothing will ruin my day like mites. I’ve luckily never dealt with them as an outbreak at my house. Why? I quarantine and treat every animal that comes through the door for 6 weeks minimum. I’ve gotten snakes with them more than a few times, but after day one of coming into quarantine, I’ve never seen a live one. Mites can come from the biggest names in the biz. Mites can come from people handling multiple animals at shows that you then take home. They suck and they shouldn’t come on animals you buy, but they do, or their eggs. But it’s not the end of the world and is an easy fix as long as you’re smart about it. Either way, it’s ridiculous to freeze snakes that have them because you can’t follow simple treatment procedures.
 
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