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There is a user that is new to this and other sites that has a Pastel male het caramel for sale on this and other sites when i asked him for a lock pick to prove his het he sent PM saying he never saw them lock and that his proof was that his female was only put with a friends caramel and as soon as i got that PM he edited his post to say he had written paperwork which he didnt mention to me no heres the kicker guys his sig says he is from Humber Heights Ohio which is about 5-8 minutes from Dayton OH which has been a hot bed of scammers in the recent past so if anyone knows about him please chime in and maybe one of the Admins could possibly do a IP check
 
Well after much thought and a good 30 minute conversation with Michael Spradlin (***nvp***) i have to say i might have jumped the gun. Just the fact he called me (as you all can see i post my mobile number in my sig) was a good sign but the fact that he seemed very polite and wanted to know how he could make his sale post better make me think he is just a new guy in the industry and just trying to get into our world. I gave him my 2 cents and seemed to want to use it so i believe we should just see how this polite newcomer to our hobby grows and gets known. Well all that longwinded statement was supposed to mean is lets see how the "Kid" does and hope that im not wrong
 
I hope it works out well, and it's just a coincidence on the location. If it was the same guy as LAWREPTILES, I doubt he'd use his kid in his avatar...couldn't find the pics that were posted by LAW, though, so I don't know (or think) he's the same guy.
 
Hello guys, yes I am just a new guy, please give the benefit of the doubt and chalk my mistakes up to ignorance, as I am fairly new to the business, I am trying desperatly to get the picks of the male caramel that my friend lent me to breed my female, when I do I will most certainly post up both pics of the female and male together. I just got done reading all the threads about the law reptiles and the matt's and allen's, etc. Truely a shame that has carried a horrible name to my city and has scarred us in the herp biz for sure, as now anyone from dayton and it's surroundings will probably be persacuted. But I assure you I am not he, I frequent the all-ohio show in columbus, and the southern ohio show in west carrolton, I'm the guy with the leopard gecko's ,crested's , chameleon's and a small selection of about 10-15 bp's. I myself have just fell victem to a 100% het lavender albino scam, as I was given fake paper work and everything, I traded several of my codom's, which I do not have that many of, so I took a huge loss on the deal. They were suppossed grant whitmer snakes, I have spoken to him as well to verify that my paper work was bogus. If the guys whom got ripped off by this scammer would email or pm me, I think I might be able to help them as I'm thinking this is the same guy! I have some evidence to prove such. But back to me. I have spoken to im whom has opened my eyes on a few things in which I was ignorant to, you have been a great help Tim I thank you. will be dropping the price on my thread here and in bp.net on the pastel het caramel al. Thank you all and again please don't judge me before not getting to know me, and yes that is my little mean butted 2 yr' old son Rickie in my avator, with his future glasses...lmao
 
No I am dropping the price becuase it was set way too high to begin with and I was unaware of that 1200 was entirely to much, if you've read my previous reply, I have had a convorsation with Tim who has brought to light of that fact. I am fine with just post the pics of the two parents to prove the genetics, somewhat. and then removing the add completely to aviod any further ramifacations of people being hasty, I'm not saying that fuana is like that but a majority of the forums I've been a part of always have "those people" whom just love to bash people without properly getting to know the situation or the people.This will be my last post on this thread until I get the parents pics to post up, anyone needing to talk to me can email or pm me, Thank you very much...Michael Spradlin
 
***nvp*** said:
I myself have just fell victem to a 100% het lavender albino scam, as I was given fake paper work and everything, I traded several of my codom's, which I do not have that many of, so I took a huge loss on the deal. They were suppossed grant whitmer snakes, I have spoken to him as well to verify that my paper work was bogus.
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Hey Michael, Are these the same het lavenders you were offering me in trade this weekend?

Subject:
RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!

From:
michael spradlin <[email protected]> (Add as Preferred Sender) ?
Date: Sat, Oct 04, 2008 10:50 am
To: [email protected]
Hello jeff, sorry for the confusion but they were not produced by grant but damed by one of his 100%hets and sired by an RDR lavender albino, we were looking at around 1200-1400 trade value.Thanks very much..Michael

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:40 PM

Hi Michael,

Were they produced by Grant? What are looking to get in trade value for them?

Thanks,
-Jeff Luman
http://jefflumanreptiles.com/


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats
and Ready to Go!
From: michael spradlin <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, October 03, 2008 6:02 pm
To: [email protected]

They are 08's the female is 150 grams empty and the male is 100 grams empty, they are lavenderalbino by grant whitmer's line I recently aquired them in a trade. thanks michael

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 7:40 PM

Hi there,

I'm all set on het pieds, but I may be able to use the het lavenders. Could you let me know the ages, weights, and who produced them?

Thanks,
-Jeff Luman
http://jefflumanreptiles.com/


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and
Ready to Go!
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, October 03, 2008 5:32 pm
To: [email protected]

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Would you be interested i a trade? I have a 1.1 pair of 100% het lavender albino's and 100% het pieds, with paperwork, that i'm willing to do some trading on. thank you.. michael spradlin

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***nvp*** said:
Hello guys, yes I am just a new guy, please give the benefit of the doubt and chalk my mistakes up to ignorance, as I am fairly new to the business, I am trying desperatly to get the picks of the male caramel that my friend lent me to breed my female, when I do I will most certainly post up both pics of the female and male together. I just got done reading all the threads about the law reptiles and the matt's and allen's, etc. Truely a shame that has carried a horrible name to my city and has scarred us in the herp biz for sure, as now anyone from dayton and it's surroundings will probably be persacuted. But I assure you I am not he, I frequent the all-ohio show in columbus, and the southern ohio show in west carrolton, I'm the guy with the leopard gecko's ,crested's , chameleon's and a small selection of about 10-15 bp's. I myself have just fell victem to a 100% het lavender albino scam, as I was given fake paper work and everything, I traded several of my codom's, which I do not have that many of, so I took a huge loss on the deal. They were suppossed grant whitmer snakes, I have spoken to him as well to verify that my paper work was bogus. If the guys whom got ripped off by this scammer would email or pm me, I think I might be able to help them as I'm thinking this is the same guy! I have some evidence to prove such. But back to me. I have spoken to im whom has opened my eyes on a few things in which I was ignorant to, you have been a great help Tim I thank you. will be dropping the price on my thread here and in bp.net on the pastel het caramel al. Thank you all and again please don't judge me before not getting to know me, and yes that is my little mean butted 2 yr' old son Rickie in my avator, with his future glasses...lmao
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Michael,

I'm just a little confused - you said that you bred your friend's caramel albino to your pastel to produce the animal for sale.

But in the linked thread below, you're saying that this will be your first season breeding, and ask how to tell if the female has ovulated. It doesn't square up, and clarification would be appreciated:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76075

I'm sure you can appreciate the red flags the contradictions throw up.
 
jluman said:
Hey Michael, Are these the same het lavenders you were offering me in trade this weekend?

Subject:
RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!

From:
michael spradlin <[email protected]> (Add as Preferred Sender) ?
Date: Sat, Oct 04, 2008 10:50 am
To: [email protected]
Hello jeff, sorry for the confusion but they were not produced by grant but damed by one of his 100%hets and sired by an RDR lavender albino, we were looking at around 1200-1400 trade value.Thanks very much..Michael

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:40 PM

Hi Michael,

Were they produced by Grant? What are looking to get in trade value for them?

Thanks,
-Jeff Luman
http://jefflumanreptiles.com/


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats
and Ready to Go!
From: michael spradlin <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, October 03, 2008 6:02 pm
To: [email protected]

They are 08's the female is 150 grams empty and the male is 100 grams empty, they are lavenderalbino by grant whitmer's line I recently aquired them in a trade. thanks michael

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 7:40 PM

Hi there,

I'm all set on het pieds, but I may be able to use the het lavenders. Could you let me know the ages, weights, and who produced them?

Thanks,
-Jeff Luman
http://jefflumanreptiles.com/


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and
Ready to Go!
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, October 03, 2008 5:32 pm
To: [email protected]

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Would you be interested i a trade? I have a 1.1 pair of 100% het lavender albino's and 100% het pieds, with paperwork, that i'm willing to do some trading on. thank you.. michael spradlin

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This certainly seems a little "off". Clarification, honesty, and integrity will get you a long way in this business, you need to clear this up.
 
Michael --

Could you please clarify the story on the Lavenders for me.

Last year you purchased the Het Lavender Female (supposedly produced by [email protected] which we now know to not be true) from Donny Rollins which you bred to your RDR Lavender albino male -- you got all normal looking animals in the clutch. But you don't have any breeding pictures or clutch pictures from your very first clutch you've ever produced? :shrug01:

You then went back to Donny the same guy that you got the het that didn't prove and bought/traded another pair of supposed Het Lavenders (again produced by [email protected]) with bogus paperwork and Paul Williams name and address on it - who is Paul by the way?

You are currently selling/trading the offspring of the RDR Lav x bogus het as 100% hets from Lav.Albino.coms linage even tho they clearly are not?

I have seen the bogus paperwork on the recently purchased pair but do you have pictures of the Lavender Albino from RDR, the paperwork from the Adult Female Het and proof of purchase/trade on these animals -- it would go a long way as to tracking down and stopping the scammer.
 
Michael after our talk last I was happy that you were so eager to learn how to do the right thing. But statements like this is the last time your gonna post is quite typical in bad guys. So I hope you don't let it go down that road.
 
rabernet said:
Michael,

I'm just a little confused - you said that you bred your friend's caramel albino to your pastel to produce the animal for sale.

But in the linked thread below, you're saying that this will be your first season breeding, and ask how to tell if the female has ovulated. It doesn't square up, and clarification would be appreciated:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76075

I'm sure you can appreciate the red flags the contradictions throw up.
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I was thinking the same thing.
 
I agree, I'm not one to jump to conclusions but some of these issues just don't add up. The fact that we have not heard anything is also making it more and more suspicious although he has not had to much time to respond. I am curious to see how this pans out.
 
well I'll tell ya it might be a coinsident but Michael's number is listed in New Carlisle but he lists Huber Heights as his residence along with all the other coinsidences I'm abliged to say he needs to come by and clear up alot of stuff
 
Ok people, I have been at work all day that is why I have not responded, this is my first season on my own the previous 2 season's were with me loaning out my females to other people and them loaning there's to me,and just throwing the animals together for a few months! Not really understanding what I was doing, As far as the origins of my animals, well they were all bought from the same guy whom has turned out to be fruadulant, so I only know what I was told, which I'm sure it was all lies,I have contacted everyone that I have tried to make trades with and told them about the situation, and how the animals were phony's, if I have missed a couple I am sorry. I did produce some animals earlier this year from a snake that I had bought from the guy mentioned, bred it, then before the eggs hatched, I traded for another pair not knowing that they were fraud as well, he had paper work and everything, I don't have a clue who paul williams is it was supposedly the guy he got them from! this all stems to the other incidents coming from my area and we have some things in the works, so if we could keep it down about that it would help greatly, contact sam leam for more info on that. After figuring out that my animals my have been all stolen animals (het pieds included)I have parted with all I have bought or traded with this person he now has them, after everything is said and done you will all see them, but like I said for now we are keeping it under the covers, I'm sure I will get blasted for all of this but right now it's what I have to do, so blast away! it will not hurt my feelings, I am not sure why my number comes back to new carlisle as I do live in huber heights.8178 mount hood to be exact zip 45424. The caramel albino that has sired my pastel is also from the partner of this guy/guys, whom until late last night I was unaware he was involved. This will all work out for me in the end and everyone that has yelled scammer and liar at me will for sure eat there words, and please don't take me for getting angry of hasty, as I do expect everyone to blast me for this post, but right now it's what I have to do to get all of this stuff finished and done and everything clear and out in the open! Thank you friends....Michael Spradlin blast away any other questions I will be glad to answer.
 
Also I do still have the fake paperwork! no I will not post it up as it is relevent to my previous post,but if you need to see them email grant.
 
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