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The dirty little secrets of morphs

Snake breeding is new enough that we are still learning what's what. But to allude that recessive traits are likely bad is old-school thinking & not necessarily true. Blue eyes in humans is a recessive trait; studies have shown that it's can also be an advantagous one. Recent studies show blue eyed people have better night vision.

Except that's not what I said.

Recessive does not necessarily equal bad, and dominant doesn't necessarily equal good. But one of the most common types of mutations, loss of function mutations, where the gene is rendered non-functional, are usually recessive.

Furthermore, in the case of dominant damaging mutations, the case for inbreeding is much, much worse, so I was being optimistic, in order to avoid being labeled 'doom-and-gloom'.

Do you really see only the negatives in keeping snakes? They get a fantastic life compared with their wild counterparts.

When did I say anything even remotely like that? I've been keeping snakes for over 15 years, have cared for dozens of species, and have plans to try to introduce a few new species to captivity once I find time and space.

That I'm aware of potential problems in no way means I somehow think it's all bad. That's like saying a car mechanic who knows all the problems that can occur therefore hates driving and cars.

As captive collections grow , the demand for collecting wild caught fades away. We have enough of a CB gene pool now to breed & keep these lovely animals well.

Not necessarily. Check out beardies - they're stunted and have shortened lifespan compared to their wild counterparts, all because Australia won't let new ones out, so the gene pool has suffered from founder effect and inbreeding effects. They're an extreme example, but any small population of animals - either on an island or in captivity - runs the risk of genetic drift fixing negative alleles.

I'm not saying we should stop captive breeding by any stretch - I'm simply saying that by introducing a dozen or so wild animals into the breeding pool every few years, a lot of potential problems will go away. Such a tiny number would have minimal impact on wild populations, while providing new genes for generations of captive bred animals to maintain health and fitness.

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It's good that you see a good side to snake-keeping.

I agree with your assessment that small breeding pools are a negative, but with the thousands of BPs imported into the US and fueled in large part by the morph craze, I believe we easily have enough genetic diversity to work with now.
 
Agreed, but it's something to watch for in the future, and a reason not to simply condemn the WC reptile trade in its entirety.
 
Agreed, but it's something to watch for in the future, and a reason not to simply condemn the WC reptile trade in its entirety.

No, I didn't condemn it altogether, but for BPs there are many practices that are not to the snake's benefit. Like harvesting gravid WC females... this should stop. Also we wouldn't want to over-collect as has been done in other species.
 
I stumbled across this thread and was wondering about the duck-bill deformity in the black pastels and the cinnamons. Anyone currently working with super forms of these two morphs and still coming up with this problem?
 
I stumbled across this thread and was wondering about the duck-bill deformity in the black pastels and the cinnamons. Anyone currently working with super forms of these two morphs and still coming up with this problem?

I've seen photos of the deformity. I also produced this Super Black last year:

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With a solid coloured head, she looks different than most BPs that have the horizontal stripes... but her head is the same shape as my other snakes. I believe it's important to work with unrelated parents for this project. That's what I did. I used unrelated GCR line Black Pastels to produce this girl.
 
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