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Inquiry Rare Pythons in Niagara Falls NY

This is my ghost
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Not the best, he's in shed. But the difference is apparant- Here is another
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Chris,
According to your logic (reinforced by your photos), a lighter animal is a ghost. Doesn't work that way.
Ghost are lighter yes BUT they also shed with NO pattern and have a muted, soft look to them that is very easy to spot when next to a normal.

Look at this animal. If I went by your explanation, she would be a ghost.
Guess what. She is a pretty NORMAL.


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I just realized I could also say she is a genetic strip according to Chris' description of what a genetic strip is. :rofl:

Wow! Who knew? All along this normal was really a genetic stripe ghost. :rofl:
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
What exactly is the point of posting those pics? What does that have to do with the misrepresentation and flat out dishonesty?
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It's to give us a heads up that next year he will be searching the CH bins for het pied markers and we will be seeing him post het pieds for sale and he'll have the lock shots to seem legit. :rolleyes:
 
If it's a hypo it sheds clear. Check it's shed next time, it won't be clear, cuz it's a normal.

And is that the "desert ghost" you were trying to sell? You do know that desert ghost is a different morph from a ghost, right?
 
rarepythons said:
No Lock today 12/15/08 Pied x Regular
The pied has been breeding between 8 females for the past month or so and I'll keep checking for a solid lock that can be photographed. Either way I'm not selling pied hets, only possibles before everyone jumps the gun.
Ghosts photos soon...
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Chris,

There's nothing wrong with selling 100% hetero pieds (or hetero for any other morph), as long as they are the real thing. Selling "possibles" might be more of a problem though. Anyone can show a picture of a morph breeding to a normal and then sell 1000's of "possibles" from just that pair. Unsuspected buyers will purchase "possibles" at discounted prices thinking they are making a killing (because they think they are 100% hets) where in reality...
 
I have purchased rodents from these guys before, and cannot say that I was anywhere near impressed. The rodents were dirty, scarred, even in some cases missing limbs. I have not seen their facility where all their "breeding" takes place, but I cannot imagine that the conditions are great if the rodents looked like they did.

The "Hypo" in the picture is NOT a hypo at all... Hypo has nothing to do with the look of the snake, it has to do with the genetics of the snake. Any lightly colored snake (no matter HOW light) cannot be called a hypo unless it is genetically proven to be hypomelanistic.
Personally I would not buy ANYTHING from a "Breeder" who gets the majority of their animals imported (regardless of the conditions of their facility). Yes, I am sure you can make money selling imported gravid females (or worse yet, selling the females right after they lay their eggs), but that does not mean it is a good idea.

- Jason Arnold
 
Hypo has nothing to do with the look of the snake, it has to do with the genetics of the snake.
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I disagree. Hypomelanistic IS a description of the appearance...the phenotype, if you will. The fact that the "morph" carries that name does cause confusion if the term is used as a descriptor, though. An animal can be hypomelanistic, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is "a hypo".
 
hhmoore said:
I disagree. Hypomelanistic IS a description of the appearance...the phenotype, if you will. The fact that the "morph" carries that name does cause confusion if the term is used as a descriptor, though. An animal can be hypomelanistic, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is "a hypo".
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Agreed just like Hogg Island Boas are natural hypomelanistic but you can not breed it to a Columbian and get hypos.

Also

Chris

Thank you for answering the question. IMO it is not right to call something it is not. If you do not have the knowledge about Ball Python Morphs I can understand this mistake. You should take steps in learning about ball Pythons morphs. I think it is cool you have bumblebees breeding. CONGRATS. But that does not mean these other snakes are what you say they are. Between the Gstripe and ghosts you say you have, i see you do not have an understanding about the moprh world.

Ball Python market and world is a tough one to be in. And if you start labeling and selling animals that are not what you say they are...... it will not take long for the world to know about it.

I would say there are two books you should purchase.

VPI's Pythons of the World II
The Complete Ball Python By NERD

This may help you in the future to tell what is what.

Gary
 
Gary O said:
I would say there are two books you should purchase.

VPI's Pythons of the World II
The Complete Ball Python By NERD

This may help you in the future to tell what is what.

Gary
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I bet if he does buy these books, You will see them on his site with a different title selling for 1k..
Any takers?
 
That is a very valid point... since there are different strains of "hypo".. I guess what I meant to say was that if you're going to say something is a "morph" you really have to know it's genotype, not it's phenotype...
 
NO HET SELLING MORATORIUM OVER?!?!

Originally Posted by rarepythons
"...Either way I'm not selling pied hets, only possibles before everyone jumps the gun."

What happened to that? Because of the whole Chris J/TSE debacle, you said you were not going to sell hets. Do you REALLY think your time limit is up on that one? I can't imagine ANYONE buying a het from you, given the bad publicity you've generated over the last year (or more?).
 
oops...typing too fast

Tiger Lilly said:
Originally Posted by rarepythons
"...Either way I'm not selling pied hets, only possibles before everyone jumps the gun."

What happened to that? Because of the whole Chris J/TSE debacle, you said you were not going to sell hets. Do you REALLY think your time limit is up on that one? I can't imagine ANYONE buying a het from you, given the bad publicity you've generated over the last year (or more?).
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That was supposed to read:

I can't imagine ANYONE buying even a POSSIBLE het from you, given the bad publicity you've generated over the last year (or more?)
 
You guys should have seen the amazing "Fires" he had at the reptile show here in Buffalo... To be honest, I wouldn't have even gone so far as to call them "pretty" normals... but... the price tag sure made me think they MUST be very special...

Anyone who knows anything about ball pythons OR genetics is not likely to buy much from their joke of a business...

They had a spider though, AND a pastel!!!... you'd think if they were hatching out thousands of babies a year, they'd have SOMETHING better than a spider...
 
Take all of the pictures and videos you'd like....I've looked at them, the animal is question is STILL a light colored NORMAL ball python. Not a ghost, not a desert ghost, not a desert ball. A normal.

If you'd like, I could probably pick thru my normal girls and take some pics of light colored normals next to darker normals that look very much like the ones you've taken. :shrug01:

So....who supposedly sold you these animals as breeder morphs? And why are we seeing people come forward that have seen you trying to sell other normal hatchlings as "morphs" at shows? Were those purchased from this same "breeder", or more CH babies that you just decided to label as morphs?
 
rarepythons said:
Keep in mind that all imports are required to get a health certificate from a vet prior to shipment to ensure they are disease free.
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So.....are you telling me that each and every gravid import is inspected by a vet, who can by visual inspection declare them to be completely free of disease, and they each have health certificates stating such?
 
Cat_72 said:
So.....are you telling me that each and every gravid import is inspected by a vet, who can by visual inspection declare them to be completely free of disease, and they each have health certificates stating such?
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I'm sure they do... And then sell them for $75-$100 each... basically losing money on each and every female they bring into their facility...

Oh ... Wait.... That doesn't seem like a good business plan...

It seems like it would be "better" to just LIE about vet visits... and make a few dollars per female...

My bet is placed on the latter...
 
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