Bad Guy Steve Markevich/ Serpent's Den

[Gecko_Den]

And here I thought today was Thursday, not Sunday. What time does the choir sing?

 

[lanceheads]

I think the Fat Lady has sung.

 

[dzoo]

He had NO choice?

you people get off on judging steve when he had NO choice but to leave the animals because he was arrested.

He had NO choice? He chose not to pay his bills and child support for months while continuing to keep a huge quantity of reptiles that could have been sold off well before it got to this point in order to pay those bills. He is currently advertising a snake for $15,000 - why not sell it for $5,000 if you really need cash? A quick calculation of selling just the snakes that were left in the store at rock bottom prices would have brought in over $5,000 easily, not to mention the cages and supplies! - instead he lost it all by doing nothing until it was too late.
You don't just find out out of the blue that you owe $30,000 in child support or are months behind on your utilities or rent. If you work with your utilities, landlord and domestic relations they will help you out- they don't want to go through all this mess and arrest people, they realize you can't pay by sitting in jail, but apparently Steve did not care enough to do so. The landlords may have made some wrong moves too but the major errors were made by Steve himself.

 

[John E Dove]

And here I thought today was Thursday, not Sunday. What time does the choir sing?

I am not much of one for choirs, or organized religion for that matter, but since you asked for it this one is just for you Mr. Mounts.

Steve don’t see the light Lord,
He don’t see the light.
Steve lives in darkness,
Steve lives in night.
He is so miserable
No relief in sight
Cry to the Lord now
Steve don’t see the light.

 

[Lucille]

He had NO choice? He chose not to pay his bills and child support for months while continuing to keep a huge quantity of reptiles that could have been sold off well before it got to this point in order to pay those bills. He is currently advertising a snake for $15,000 - why not sell it for $5,000 if you really need cash?

Is this true, Steve? Did you neglect to pay money for your little kids for months while at the same time carrying this kind of inventory?

 

[KNOBTAIL]

The height of irresponsibility

which seems to run through Steve's mode of living "poor me!" Everyone else is at fault and the world is ganging up on me.. No common sense, just excuses, and 100% lack of dignity in doing the right thing by always waiting until the last minute and then blaming the authorities for there reasons in messing up poor Steve and his plans.

One begins to wonder , what plans! Making restitution, vacating the landlords premise, meeting court obligations, none of which were even attempted in good faith but constantly complaining about his warped timelines which really amount to nothing but another excuse for his inability to exercise good judgement....

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Is this true, Steve? Did you neglect to pay money for your little kids for months while at the same time carrying this kind of inventory?

Lucille, My little kids as you refer to them are 21 & 26 years old. If my animals were not stolen I was planning on a kick-ass year of production which would of allowed me to get my debts paid up. My landlords had no right fabricating the lies despite however much I owed them and this was done for 1700.00 which is only chump change for them.

 

[Lucille]

Lucille, My little kids as you refer to them are 21 & 26 years old. If my animals were not stolen I was planning on a kick-ass year of production which would of allowed me to get my debts paid up. My landlords had no right fabricating the lies despite however much I owed them and this was done for 1700.00 which is only chump change for them.

Ordinarily, child support is not ordered for children of this age, is this child support you owe and if so, why are you paying it for children who have reached the legal age of adulthood?

 

[dzoo]

I was planning on a kick-ass year of production which would of allowed me to get my debts paid up.

Oh, didn't realize there was a plan - Personally I'm planning on winning the lottery this year to pay off my debts, I hope my creditors will wait for my plan to work.

What is that old adage "Don't count your chickens um ball pythons before they hatch?

this was done for 1700.00 which is only chump change for them.

This seems to be an attitude typical of renters, they all think the property owners are so well off, how do you know what their finances are? I'm sure they don't rent out places to lose money, they have a business and bills to pay too.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Ordinarily, child support is not ordered for children of this age, is this child support you owe and if so, why are you paying it for children who have reached the legal age of adulthood?

NJ has different laws and I have since had my children emancipated. I know it's a lot to read but if you read from the beginning of the thread you will understand better what has happened.

 

[Seamus Haley]

This seems to be an attitude typical of renters, they all think the property owners are so well off, how do you know what their finances are? I'm sure they don't rent out places to lose money, they have a business and bills to pay too.

Just to take that a little further... even if they did not have an immediate need for the money, it doesn't change the fact that it was money they were entitled to and owed, that he declined to pay. It doesn't suddenly become "okay" to steal from people just because the loss won't be an insurmountable burden. Steve isn't Robin Hood, stealing from tyrant property owners and living as an outlaw to fight injustice... he's a guy who incurred concrete financial obligations and then ran away from the legal repercussions of fulfilling them.

While some property owners might choose to give a tenant leeway up to a certain amount, they're hardly obligated to do so. If anything, Steve's constant contention that it was a tiny balance that they decided to take action over indicates to me that he was a poor tenant that they wanted out ASAP. How many times had he been behind for how long by how much? Had he done anything that lowered the value of their property? Were his frequent problems with responsibility coming back to impact them? Looking at his conduct here- if one assumed his attitude is a constant and created the myriad of little headaches it would seem to... I'd take the first available opportunity to kick him the hell out too.

 

[HappyHillbilly]

It took me awhile to write this post so there have been a few posts made since I began that I may not have addressed or recognized. I began writing this post in response to Lucille's question to Steve about child support.

Lucille,
Here's a quote from post# 11:

I received permission to post e-mails from Steve...

Quote:
10/24/08 @ 1:02pm
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.......Financially things have been very tight and to top it off my ex-wife wanting back Child Support for my adult children so I had that to deal with also..........
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which seems to run through Steve's mode of living "poor me!" Everyone else is at fault and the world is ganging up on me.. No common sense, just excuses, and 100% lack of dignity in doing the right thing by always waiting until the last minute and then blaming the authorities for there reasons in messing up poor Steve and his plans.

One begins to wonder , what plans! Making restitution, vacating the landlords premise, meeting court obligations, none of which were even attempted in good faith but constantly complaining about his warped timelines which really amount to nothing but another excuse for his inability to exercise good judgement....

I don't want to bash anyone but I do feel a need to be perfectly honest here.

Jerry,
From reading, again, all of post# 11, that's partially quoted above - I agree with the gist of your post I just quoted. If I was in Steve's situation I'd have to admit:

I initially made bad decisions. In several areas of my life.
Those bad deicisons lead to even more bad decisions.
I came up with a plan to get out of the bind I put myself into but might not have communicated my plan with the appropriate people well enough.
They interupted my plans.
They screwed my plans up.​

Now, we've all made mistakes, bad decisions, etc... It's been said many times over here in the BOI, and in life, - "It's not so much the mistakes we make, but more how we deal with them."

I'm trying to be more encouraging than critical, but I don't want to dilute the point. Actually, most, if not all cases presented her on the BOI can be solved with just two words - "Face it!"


Steve,
I have nothing against you and I still haven't came down solidly on one side of the fence or the other on this particular issue thus far. However, I think if you'll objectively read your last post to Lucille that you'll see that it falls right in line with what Jerry said and what I said in my above reply to him. You control your own destiny, Steve. You always have, and will. I say that as one of the fairest people you will ever meet, with absolute impartiality. Right is right, wrong is wrong. There's nothing in between.


Ms Wolf White,
Your post is full of passion and emotions. That can be good and bad. For the most part, I understand where you're coming from. However, your comment....

...i personally think when the LORD said brains all of you thought he said trains and you hid behind the door!! if you don't get it my point exactly!!

....pretty much negates the prupose or theme of your post. But we're all human.

Please keep in mind that the Bible talks about judgment and discernment. They are different. Yes, there may be some posts that could be interpreted as judgment, but most of them, if not all, could also be interpreted as discernment.

The Bible says that "every tree shall be know by it's fruit." At this point in time I don't know what type of tree Steve and the other parties (landlord, police, etc) are. I've not dug into wither of their backgrounds. Seems as though some posting members are familiar with one or the other.

ok people it's a new year can't we just grow up, let the past go, and let steve be at peace now?

As already mentioned, and Steve knows, that he will not live in peace while on the lam and until restitution is made, or in the process of being made (payments).

In Biblical terms - to "let the past go" means to forgive. Is not forgiveness based upon the act of asking for forgiveness & repentance? Do we Christians not have to ask for forgiveness, and repent, before we are given forgiveness?

I don't mean that hastily, not by any means. So please don't take it personal.

OK, the sermon's over. The choir & the congregation may now join in the singing of the Hymn of Invitation........... (Does this mean that I get to sleep in this Sunday?)

Have a great day!
Michael Sanders
(HH)

 

[HappyHillbilly]

***Correction***

Steve,
I have nothing against you and I still haven't came down solidly on one side of the fence or the other on this particular issue thus far. However, I think if you'll objectively read your last post to Lucille....

I type to dang slow. That would be your first reply to her - post# 287.

Sorry!

 

[Lucille]

NJ has different laws and I have since had my children emancipated. I know it's a lot to read but if you read from the beginning of the thread you will understand better what has happened.

I checked New Jersey child support statutes. It was a bit of reading. It does appear that until emancipation you may owe support in New Jersey; but you knew that and if the support is owed it should be paid timely.

I have not read the thread from the beginning, but there would be very few reasons to not uphold your obligations to your children.

 

[Seamus Haley]

I initially made bad decisions. In several areas of my life.
Those bad deicisons lead to even more bad decisions.
I came up with a plan to get out of the bind I put myself into but might not have communicated my plan with the appropriate people well enough.
They interupted my plans.
They screwed my plans up.

That hinges on the assumption that Steve's being honest about having definite plans to meet his financial obligations and isn't just lying about it to excuse his behavior in retrospect.

'course, based off his post here, his plan seems to have consisted of "Breed and sell some snakes." which is hardly a guaranteed solution.

 

[kalismom3]

Anonymous post deleted. Please read the rules about posting on the BOI. -WebSlave-

 

[Lucille]

waste space on the internet

I don't think so.

This particular site has saved countless people both money and hassle. And it does so in a manner that allows people to post their experiences and opinions. By doing so, people can read and form their own opinions on a transaction or vendor.

If a vendor has been accused and has done no wrong, it generally comes out. In fact. ethical vendors who get wrongly accused often get tons of free advertising as buyer after buyer stands and vouches for their good business practices.

If on the other hand the vendor is not so innocent, possible future buyers can make informed decisions on whether or not they want to risk their money by dealing with that vendor.

It is not always perfect but has proved over the years to be an extraordinarily effective tool for buyers and sellers, and is extremely worthwhile.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

I checked New Jersey child support statutes. It was a bit of reading. It does appear that until emancipation you may owe support in New Jersey; but you knew that and if the support is owed it should be paid timely.

I have not read the thread from the beginning, but there would be very few reasons to not uphold your obligations to your children.

Then on the other hand many people will not read the whole thread and only read bits and pieces and make a quick assumption without reading all the facts. Whatever happened till innocent till proven guilty?

 

[Gecko_Den]

hello wondering if you have any year old females for sale and how much???? thanks steph

Your full, real, name is required for all BOI posts. You list it as Wolf White, yet sign your posts "Steph".

In Yakima is "Steph" short for wolf or white?

 

[Seamus Haley]

my husband makes a good point he says : first ask yourself a couple of questions first is does what happened to steve really have that profound of an effect on your day to day lives that you have no choice to write posts that do no more than ruin someones character and waste space on the internet second question how is all this ranting and raving helping matters steve still has his problems and everyone else just getting more upset at something that didn't even happen to them.the bible states "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" these posts are the proverbial stones forgiveness is not something always to be asked for sometimes forgiveness is given freely

Your full name is listed as "Wolf White" which seems... suspect at best. What is your legal name?

It'll be a lot easier to read your posts if you use some punctuation. The post I quoted above would make a lot more sense if you used something to indicate where each thought was beginning and ending.

The Bible is the cornerstone for a few religions and any number of points of social etiquette within an individual culture. It's got very little do do with Steve's legal troubles, the services he stole, the lies he's told, the people he screwed over of the folks he has threatened over the problems he created. I also can't recall it being specifically cited in the rules for using this website. Ordering people to "forgive" his transgressions is a silly excuse for a solution.