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Bad Guy ED CLARK what a piece of work!

big daddy's wholesal said:
Mr. Moore part of the money is mine. That is why I have a personal interest in the debt. Also thanks for the remarks.

Allen Belcher
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big daddy's wholesal said:
Contact has been made with Ed and we are waiting on a resolution which Ed has promised. As promised to both Ed and John There will be no further mud slinging here and the personal conflicts between Ed and us should be near an end. Sorry no to give details but I am a man of my word and my first post stated that I would not and did not want to go there. I am glad that it appears a resolve is close.

Allen Belcher 706-615-4772
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This sounds like a partner speaking to me?

John says they are not partners, could he be saying that to distance himself from Allen?

Is it possible that someone is lying here?
 
would it also not follow that if part of the money is owed to allen then some of the stock involved was allens?

Unless allen owned or part owned the animals involved in the purchase then the debt would have nothihng to do with him.

Yes Ed it would appear the two have more going off together than they say, but asll that does it make it impossible to know if you've been flipping allens animals or not.
 
i have never dealt with John but would like to go up and have a look sometime and ive also dealt with Allen before and hes never done me wrong i see him at the Birmingham show all the time he was there in november and had some really nice animals and i didnt smell piss or anything else for that matter, i dont know of many people that go around smelling animals.

Also the only thing ive heard about IBD with Allen is that some kid bought a snake and it died then he said that the vet did a fecal exam and found IBD. Well first off u cant find IBD through a fecal exam u have to do some sort of liver exam cant remember what it is exactly but will find out and post again. and im not a big breeder i breed bulldogs havent really gotten into breeding reptiles yet just started working with ball pythons and some monitors.
Mitchel Lack
 
Mitchel....you'd be well served to do some more informed reading BEFORE you post.

The snake that you refer to with IBD had a COMPLETE necropsy done. Copies were posted. Allen was the one who claimed to do regular "testing" of his snakes for IBD, not even realizing that the only reliable test requires the removal of the snakes liver........which tends to leave them DEAD.
 
I REALLY wish I had saved the emails with John about the phantoms.

John, you claim you only sell to Allen but when you listed the phantoms for sale, I contacted you (it was YOUR ad). You replied saying it was a project you were involved with Allen on and to to also contact him. You provided me with his contact info.

If you are advertising Allens animals, then you are either really working on projects with him or flipping (as in buying his animals) them.

What is the real story?

Are you partners with Allen?
Do you advertise HIS animals to flip?

At this point, based on my experience with you, I think you ARE partnered with Allen and just don't want to admit it in public.
 
HA! And the "official" cover story is already getting exposed for the work of fiction that it is.
 
Masonexotics said:
would it also not follow that if part of the money is owed to allen then some of the stock involved was allens?

Unless allen owned or part owned the animals involved in the purchase then the debt would have nothihng to do with him.

Yes Ed it would appear the two have more going off together than they say, but asll that does it make it impossible to know if you've been flipping allens animals or not.
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Hey Richard how are you.

At the time I was buying alot of bp's from John he was so busy selling them he would pull them out of the incubator for me, if I was not there to get them someone else would. this was about 1-2 years ago.

There is no way the eggs in Johns giant incubator could be Allens.

To be fair John Martino produces alot of ball python morphs... alot.
Johns a great guy, I don't agree with alot of what he has said in this thread.

Some of the best quality ball pythons I have seen came from John, after I picked up on the big daddy connection I just did not want anymore of those bp's.
 
Gecko_Den said:
So Ed, whose snakes are you flipping now if you aren't buying from Martino anymore??
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Come on Sam, don't you remember?

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well ive had snakes from him in the past and none of them have EVER had any problems and hes always been a stand up guy to me whatever everyone else thinks i could really care less i judge for myself by the way someone treats me.
so i guess i put my 2 cents in and now im gonna do something more productive like clean cages or feed my dogs
Mitchel
 
Ed, you've ignored it yet again with your recent post.

DO YOU OWE JOHN MONEY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR ANIMALS HE SUPPLIED?
 
SPJ said:
Ed, you've ignored it yet again with your recent post.

DO YOU OWE JOHN MONEY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR ANIMALS HE SUPPLIED?
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Oops. Forgot a part.

DO YOU OWE JOHN MONEY? IE: THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR ANIMALS HE SUPPLIED?
 
Quote Ed Clark:
John, you asked me to be quiet and stop posting on this thread.
I respected your wishes and have said nothing. I have a look in here and see you and Allen lying your butts off to save your asses!
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Where did you see Allen lying his :censored: off? I don't think he ever said that he was not a partner with John, and you do owe them $7200.00.

I can see why John would not want a partnership with Allen exposed. Allen does not have a good reputation with Fauna, and has been put on many people's do not deal with list.
John has/had a good reputation, but if people were to find out that he is partners with Allen he instantly becomes a "bad guy."

If Allen were partners with John, and he were to lie about it, he would not be lying to cover his :censored:. He would be lying because John had asked him to lie in order to save John's :censored:.
If Allen is partners with John and they buy, sell, trade from each other, then not only has Allen not had another claim made against him that he sold an infected animal, but John Martino has not had one either. How could that hurt Allen? Unless of course he were trying to maintain his "bad guy" image.

Quote Allen:
Now as some know John and myself partner on a select few projects together and that is how I am involved personally in this. Ed has bought alot of snakes from us and has always made good on his debt. That is until now. Ed bought over $10,000.00 worth of snakes from us back almost two years ago now and has an outstanding balance of $7200.00
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Where is the lie? Unless they are not partners, or you do not owe John $7200.00. Allen has been honest, so far.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
He will never admit to it!
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He doent exactly have to "admit" to it. But a simple answer to the question one way or another would be nice. He either does or he doesnt. Either way- ANSWER THE QUESTION!

To be honest Ive gotten all I can out of this thread:

All three parties are suspect enough never to deal with.
 
jasballs said:
No, And do you want to know why? John himself said today that he sells to Allen. Allen has been known to sell snakes carring some pretty funky stuff.. So How do we know they arent going to Allen infected from Johns place?
Fill me in Pinhead. And post Johns vet reports while your at it..:D
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Vet reports? Don't you have them when your animals are sick? Now you're implying that the Allen gets sick animals from John? You're quite a piece of work..implying, imagining and bending things to suit your needs. Here's a great idea for you mister know it all...take a trip to his place and see for yourself, then maybe you can post some facts.

Mike Williamson
 
pinhead said:
Vet reports? Don't you have them when your animals are sick? Now you're implying that the Allen gets sick animals from John? You're quite a piece of work..implying, imagining and bending things to suit your needs. Here's a great idea for you mister know it all...take a trip to his place and see for yourself, then maybe you can post some facts.

Mike Williamson
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I have all the Facts I need...:yesnod:
 
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