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Inquiry US Global Exotics - Animal Condition

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Hey everyone,

I have done searchs on this, however I am not finding the answers I need.

I am involved in a neglect case here in WI, and the main source of the animals currently in my care are from US Global Exotics. The animals came to me from a local pet store.

As the case builds I am remembering things said at the time of surrender and am trying to get ducks in a row.

What I need is if anyone has received orders of animals from US Global in say the past two months, could you comment on the condition of the animals? Healthy, good weight? Mildly Dehydrated to be expected with shipment? Near death?

I am merely trying to cover all bases. Our rescue took custody of over 100 animals from a bad pet store here. I shall comment on it after the court trial is complete. Out of 118 animals we have lost 19 most with in the first few days. One of my concerns is in court he will attempt to shift blame to company and I want to know what I am dealing with.

US Global Exotics
Arlington TX.

Thank you
Cindy Steinle
Small Scale Reptile Rescue.
 
I have been to globals facility and have purchased many animals (many hundreds or even thousands). I have never seen any animals neglected but I have not paid that much attention. Every time I have been there I have witnessed many employees feeding, watering, and cleaning of animals. All caging was beyond adequate, turtles had clean water in tanks, tortoises had heat lamps, chameleons were in huge cages, and arboreal snakes were in large arboreal cages. I have had 1 shipment shipped to me that we had a problem with but it was a FedEx screw up. I’m sure there may be some behind the scenes issues but in 5 or 6 years I have dealt with them it has basically been 100% good. My question to you is how do you blame a supplier when you yourself call the pet shop a bad pet shop?? a perfect frog can go from perfect to dead over night, a perfect snake can get a respiratory infection overnight, a perfect tarantula can dry out and die overnight, and so on. I’m in no way saying what your shop had was perfect when they received them but if they had them very long you could/are possible barking up the wrong tree. You say US global was the main source. Why are you suing global only and not the rest of the suppliers also???
I have not purchased from them in a while but I would not hesitate to buy from them either hand picked or shipped in. They are I would say the best wholesaler in quality and care I have ever dealt with.
 
Jim, I think the pet store is getting sued and she is trying to find out about US Global Exotics because she is afraid Mr. Pet Store is going to try to place the blame on his suppliers.
 
We are not suing anyone. The city is filing charges against the person that purchased from US Global. My reason for inquiry is that I am unfamiliar with US Global as a supplier and wanted to hear if people have received regular healthy stock. Due to comments that the owner of the store made, I wanted a bit of background on the conditions for reference.

It is not a case against US Global in any fashion. What I am trying to do is prepare for any excuses that the owner of the store may fashion for the conditions of the animals. I have opinions that basically the pet store owner took in shipment and left the animals in the shipping containers, however with the recent times on the shipment and the involuntary surrender of the animals I am concerned that he will attempt to shift blame. Which is why I am asking for opinions on the conditions of the animals. I want to know the health level of the animals.

As I run rescue, I am not very familiar with wholesalers. I am trying to cover all bases as we start moving towards charges and trials.
 
korthon said:
We are not suing anyone. The city is filing charges against the person that purchased from US Global. My reason for inquiry is that I am unfamiliar with US Global as a supplier and wanted to hear if people have received regular healthy stock. Due to comments that the owner of the store made, I wanted a bit of background on the conditions for reference.

It is not a case against US Global in any fashion. What I am trying to do is prepare for any excuses that the owner of the store may fashion for the conditions of the animals. I have opinions that basically the pet store owner took in shipment and left the animals in the shipping containers, however with the recent times on the shipment and the involuntary surrender of the animals I am concerned that he will attempt to shift blame. Which is why I am asking for opinions on the conditions of the animals. I want to know the health level of the animals.

As I run rescue, I am not very familiar with wholesalers. I am trying to cover all bases as we start moving towards charges and trials.
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Cindy Steinle
Small Scale Reptile Rescue
 
Abish said:
Jim, I think the pet store is getting sued and she is trying to find out about US Global Exotics because she is afraid Mr. Pet Store is going to try to place the blame on his suppliers.
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Actually this isnt suing it is a criminal case of neglect.

Once the case is complete I will post on the pet store owner. At this point I am unable to do so.

Cindy Steinle
Small Scale Reptile Rescue
 
korthon said:
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Cindy Steinle
Small Scale Reptile Rescue
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Sorry, but the name of the person posting has to match that of the account registered on this site. You need to straighten this up or this entire thread will be removed. Since registrations are FREE here, there is no excuse for a person having an account solely in their name to provide an accurate identity to the person making posts on the BOI.
 
I just made a purchase from US Global about a two weeks ago. For the most part everything was fine. I had one DOA clubtail iguana, which was misidentified on their price list, by the way. Within 3 days I lost 3 more, one of which came in with a very swollen leg. I also lost one Hedgehog that they sent me, and several others are on deaths door, but we should be able to bring them back to health with a lot of TLC and a lot of work. I've also had problems with them in the past. This was my first order with them in a very long time, but I really needed the Hedgehogs so I ordered and held my breath. All in all I'd say they are no better or worse then most other wholesalers out there.
 
I have been buying animals from US Global for many years . Jasen and his staff are always very helpful. Being that they are a wholesaler of imported animals their quality has always been top notch for me. Anyone buying freshly imported animals should know that certain species may need special attention when they are received such as worming, soaking and most certainly quarantine. If you own a pet store and are displaying animals to the public you should know how to properly care for those animals and make sure that they are healthy. If they come in dehydrated and a little thin they should be treated and kept out of the publics' sight until they are healthy. People who display substandard animals to the public just add fuel to an already raging fire that depicts reptile owners as dirtbags.
 
OK, we have this name situation all staightened out now. Carry on....
 
Thanks for the links. I am looking for more current information. I did locate the previous stuff.

I am assuming that overall, for imported animals they are on average par as the rest?

To clarify. The purpose of this inquiry has no direct bearings on the business itself. I am preparing to cover bases for future court proceedings on someone local to Wisconsin. Some of the animals involved in the cash were purchased from US Global, and I am preparing a CYA file.

Cindy Steinle
Small Scale Reptile Rescue
 
Cindy,

Obviously some animals that are freshly wild-caught may not be in the same condition as one would expect typical captive bred animals to be in, and the whole import process can be tough on them. Besides the whole procedure itself being stressful, they may have heavy parasite loads, dehydration from shipping, etc that can affect their general health. That is not always the case, but I would not say IMO, that it is difficult to group freshly wild caught animals, as a whole, as being up to the same "par" as the average CB animal.

I think it depends to some extent on the type of animal you are looking at - can you give an idea of what type of animals are in question?
 
How are you pursuing a criminal charge as a rescue? Do you mean to say that you are working with AC? I can tell you they would not approve of you placing an open investigation online. I certainly would not appreciate it on any of my cases.
Any previous sales would be considered inadmissable in court. It cannot attest to the animals involved in the case or the conditions of the animals seized. This person/shop is going to haveUS Global would have nothing to do with the care or lack thereof by the person being charged. Once someone claims ownership or is considered a custodian of the animal the seller is to blame, unless the animal was in bad shape on arrival. Spontaneous utterance by the owner/custodian is admissible and claims can be unsubstantiated by the dates on shipping as far as their condition goes.
I say let the Investigators do their job and leave Global out of it for the time being.
 
K412 said:
How are you pursuing a criminal charge as a rescue? Do you mean to say that you are working with AC? I can tell you they would not approve of you placing an open investigation online. I certainly would not appreciate it on any of my cases.
Any previous sales would be considered inadmissable in court. It cannot attest to the animals involved in the case or the conditions of the animals seized. This person/shop is going to have a good attorney and anything prior to this case will be thrown out in a heartbeat. US Global would have nothing to do with the care or lack thereof by the person being charged. Once someone claims ownership or is considered a custodian of the animal the seller is to blame, unless the animal was in bad shape on arrival. Spontaneous utterance by the owner/custodian is admissible and claims can be unsubstantiated by the dates on shipping as far as their condition goes.
I say let the Investigators do their job and leave Global out of it for the time being.
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I had to quote myself to fix my sentence, sorry.
 
K412 said:
Once someone claims ownership or is considered a custodian of the animal the seller is to blame, unless the animal was in bad shape on arrival.
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Uh, that's all she's trying to determine, is that if the seller uses that as a defense - that the animals were that way upon arrival - if that is a possibility.
 
Cat_72 said:
Uh, that's all she's trying to determine, is that if the seller uses that as a defense - that the animals were that way upon arrival - if that is a possibility.
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Any previous sales would be considered inadmissable in court.
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I believe that sentence shows that he understood the point of the OP. The, the above poster went on to explain how it is generally inadvisable to post this kind of request on a public forum during an investigation. That's right, too. Duh?

When I first read this thread, my thoughts were (1) this person is sticking his/her nose where it doesn't belong and is likely to cause more damage than good or (2) this whole story is faked for some reason I don't understand. I am not saying the poster isn't a good person with good intentions (I'll go so far to sas/he probably IS a good person), but I don't for a second believe the police said, "Please help us. Go spread word about a pending investigation. Ask questions from people you don't know, get unsubstantiated testimony, and we'll use that stuff in court!" Come one. That didn't happen. They more that likely would be upset about this thread if there really is an investigation at all.

KJ
 
Cat_72 said:
Uh, that's all she's trying to determine, is that if the seller uses that as a defense - that the animals were that way upon arrival - if that is a possibility.
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It would not be admissible as it would have no bearing on the case. Animals that were not seized under these specific charges cannot be taken into consideration by the court.
 
*sigh*

Whether or not any previous sales would be admissable in court, simply knowing whether or not imported animals would *typically* be expected to be in the same condition as CB animals would be something that would be good to know. She's just trying to understand something she doesn't know.

Whether or not the whole post was a good idea in general or not....there's nothing wrong with gaining knowledge, and I'm guessing she thought, since reptile import/export isn't exactly a common knowledge kind of subject, that asking people experienced in it would be the ones to ask. Gaining general knowledge isn't a bad thing. Posting specific type details...probably not a good thing. Never said it was.

The snottiness and the "duh" comment were pretty uncalled for, don't ya think?
 
I must have missed the CB or WC part somewhere then. I didn't see where she specified a species either.
Since this is a court case and open investigation it shouldn't be placed on a public forum, in my professional opinion.
I am all for learning as much as possible I just think that speaking with a local breeder/broker would have served just as much good for her own personal knowledge.
She can't go into detail about much at all without compromising the case so she can't gain much by coming here and questioning the seller. I am just stating my opinions and certainly have no intention on insulting or frustrating anyone.
I believe she is a good person with good intentions and wants to learn as much as possible which is commendable in it's own right.
 
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