Bad Guy DTS Herps-buyer beware!!!

[advalenzuela]

My opinion

In my opinion Dan is an Ok guy. My wife bought me a couple of Electric blue geckos from Dan and he seems to be fairly good person to deal with. He had stated to sell geckos that he had in his possesion, but took him a while to receive them. After all the geckos were received in good conditions and are healthy.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Well it's no scare tactic, it will happen as my attorney has read this and watched him post more liable lies contributing to his defamation attempts.

And it's no scare tactic and I've don't have anything to scare him from saying or doing anything anyway? And it will be the attorney's assignment to determine what damages can be accessed based on the fact he kept the snakes and filed a non-delivery report which forced a refund, and he continued to hold the 3 other snakes and never provided any proof that any died. And any damages attached to filing a bogus report with fabricated and distorted data to make it appear as if he purchased a snake from an advertisement I posted which is not true.

He did not obtain a snake that I advertised. He obtained a pet from someone else after I was sold out and was no longer advertising my stock. The importer provided proof of this in his email.

Believe me, you see me raise my voice a bit and it is because every word of every sentence the man says is an outright lie. He cannot write 10 words without there being something false and untrue or twisted in the sentence. He is a master con man. He twisted the entire events to his favor because he is a professional scammer. He not only fooled me into thinking he was a decent human being, he fooled the readers here into believing his garbage. But I proved many of the other folks who posted wrong on dozens of other threads and embarrassed them in front of their peers for jumping to foolish conclusions, so their support of his false charges is a simple case of retaliation.

If anything, the suite will hopefully sway his actions to not scam another seller.

 

[skcusnad]

Jason:


Dan,

Thanks again for getting back to me. I got my snakes today from XXXX. He said you were just there. I was telling him that you and XXXX are the only ones who seem to be able to get these. They will not take pinkys. I tried senting them today with anoles.

I am going to have to get these from you. I think this is the only way to get these started.

These guys are really small as I'm sure you know so I will need the smallest frogs you can get.

So for 12 frogs shipped it would be xxxx...correct? I will be paying with a credit card and will need you to send them to my work place. I am supposed to be out on the water Monday or Tuesday so I will have to get back to you with what date to ship them and the address becuase I don't remember it.

I have read all the crap on fauna about you and the only reason i bring this up is because you are the only one who got back to me about his. XXXX is the only one who has these and he will not get back to me at all. guess that proves you can't always believe the rants of people looking for a pitty party!!! I hate fauna by the way!!

Dan thanks again! And how do I pay for these?

XXXX

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Dan, this email is OBVIOUSLY altered by you (no doubt to protect the id of the "sender" unless her name really is XXXX. Also you misspelled scent. My point is that anytime you alter even the slightest detail for whatever reason, it discredits the entire piece of evidence and therefore can bot be considered as valid. The argument in court would be along the lines of --- "if he altered this part, how do we know what else he altered, of if he did'nt just make up the entire email?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred:

Nope, that is not altered by me.

That is the exact email I received from the customer and I put an x where the price and other persons name he mentioned which protects that person.

Why would you assume it was altered?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred:

If you don't believe me, will you send me your email and I will forward the emails to you to post as these people say they don't believe the importers email nor that email. Send me your email address at [email protected] and I will forward both emails but do not post the one about the frogs unless you block out the other sellers name.

 

[skcusnad]

Well it's no scare tactic, it will happen as my attorney has read this and watched him post more liable lies contributing to his defamation attempts.

And it's no scare tactic and I've don't have anything to scare him from saying or doing anything anyway? And it will be the attorney's assignment to determine what damages can be accessed based on the fact he kept the snakes and filed a non-delivery report which forced a refund, and he continued to hold the 3 other snakes and never provided any proof that any died. And any damages attached to filing a bogus report with fabricated and distorted data to make it appear as if he purchased a snake from an advertisement I posted which is not true.

He did not obtain a snake that I advertised. He obtained a pet from someone else after I was sold out and was no longer advertising my stock. The importer provided proof of this in his email.

Believe me, you see me raise my voice a bit and it is because every word of every sentence the man says is an outright lie. He cannot write 10 words without there being something false and untrue or twisted in the sentence. He is a master con man. He twisted the entire events to his favor because he is a professional scammer. He not only fooled me into thinking he was a decent human being, he fooled the readers here into believing his garbage. But I proved many of the other folks who posted wrong on dozens of other threads and embarrassed them in front of their peers for jumping to foolish conclusions, so their support of his false charges is a simple case of retaliation.

If anything, the suite will hopefully sway his actions to not scam another seller.

I understand what you are saying, partner, but allow mr to again suggest strongly to you that if you are really planning on using any of these public forum posts as any part of your case, that you cease the name callings, regardless of how you feel about these people who are able to push yuour buttons. I can assure you that the people you are calling names have a far stronger case of lible against you than you have any case against any of them. I'm sure by now you have figured out what I do, in terms of my career, and know that I am giving you good free advice.
Fred

Fred

 

[skcusnad]

Fred:

Nope, that is not altered by me.

That is the exact email I received from the customer and I put an x where the price and other persons name he mentioned which protects that person.

Why would you assume it was altered?

Because YOU just admitted to altering it. By you saying that YOU put x's anywhere in the email, that is by definition altering the email. I know that you did it for an honorable reason, but non-the-less that is now an altered email and therefore not credible. Again, someone could argue that if you did the x's (by your own admission) then how do we KNOW you did not do more or the entire email? Especially since the misspelled word is somewhat inline with your sometimes poor spelling. I am not trying to bust your hump about your spelling because mine is pretty bad also.

Anyway, it is in fact an altered email, albeit for an honorable reason.
Fred

 

[skcusnad]

Fred:

If you don't believe me, will you send me your email and I will forward the emails to you to post as these people say they don't believe the importers email nor that email. Send me your email address at [email protected] and I will forward both emails but do not post the one about the frogs unless you block out the other sellers name.

Because I don't represent you in a legal cause, it would be unethical for me to recieve and read any emails that could later be deemed as evidence in a legal case. It is fine for me to see things that are posted on a public forum, but not privately transmited evidence. Sorry, partner.
Fred

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred:

Well thanks but in time you will see what I mean.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred:

Well then why comment to discount any evidence if you refuse to receive it. And you are no party to any suite anyway. I will have the tracking number on that frog shipment Monday anyway so you can track it to the fellow if interested enough or phone him if you really want to ask him if that email that was posted was exactly his email and not altered. Why would I alter anything anyway? I have no motive to alter anything. I know the stuff will be evidence perhaps so why would I risk altering evidence?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred, I thought you meant "altered", you meant I changed the contents to mean something other than the point of what he is saying. Of course I had to x out the other persons name. I am getting old I guess.

 

[skcusnad]

Dan, from just skimming over the many pages of posts, and not playing attorney or judge for either side, I noticed something else that I feel you would be called upon to give a clear and convincing answer to if this were really able to slip through a crack and end up in a court room.

If you felt he was scamming you, and you really asked hem to return the snakes (although your email does contradict that claim, and you have not been able to produce any of the "thousands" of emails where you claim to demand he return any snakes) why then did you give him more than the amount he paid as a refund? I understand you needed to have your kinsgnake account taken off suspension, but a simple verified refund of the amount he paid would have done that. Please don't tell me that is was to compensate him for his troubles, like you wrote before, because who compensates a criminal who is trying to scam you? Why would you pay him extra for trying to steal from you, and then let the entire issue drop until he brings it back up here on this site, THEN you go after him with what appears to be retalitory threats of litagation?
Fred

 

[skcusnad]

Fred, I thought you meant "altered", you meant I changed the contents to mean something other than the point of what he is saying. Of course I had to x out the other persons name. I am getting old I guess.

Thank you for catching up with me on that. I was detecting a slight tone of annoyance from you, and all I was doing was trying to help you out. When you "CHANGE" anything, it then is considered altered. I was not saying you did anything wrong by doing it, I was just letting you know how it could be perceived by others, especially someone in argument with you.

Also it is to your benefit that I don't have you email me those emails. It has to do with the code of ethics, and nothing to do personally with or against you. Again, I can read them if they were posted on a public forum, but not if you emailed them to me. It's not that I have no interest, or don't believe you. It is an ethical issue.
Fred

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Dan, from just skimming over the many pages of posts, and not playing attorney or judge for either side, I noticed something else that I feel you would be called upon to give a clear and convincing answer to if this were really able to slip through a crack and end up in a court room.

If you felt he was scamming you, and you really asked hem to return the snakes (although your email does contradict that claim, and you have not been able to produce any of the "thousands" of emails where you claim to demand he return any snakes) why then did you give him more than the amount he paid as a refund? I understand you needed to have your kinsgnake account taken off suspension, but a simple verified refund of the amount he paid would have done that. Please don't tell me that is was to compensate him for his troubles, like you wrote before, because who compensates a criminal who is trying to scam you? Why would you pay him extra for trying to steal from you, and then let the entire issue drop until he brings it back up here on this site, THEN you go after him with what appears to be retalitory threats of litagation?
Fred



Fred:

Yes, you skimmed as the details are in there. This was back in July 2008 and I don't have the emails. I can perhaps produce phone records and the fellow who sent the animal has phone records. Either case, he contends the snakes were unsat, then why did he not insist to return them? Where are his emails saying he wants to return them? They are a rare snake and of course we did our best to get him to return them. He got more because I forgot how much it was and did some quick math and sent it via paypal and sent more than it was. And yes, I often compensate people for their troubles. I took a few days to get a photo of a dragon for a lady last week and sent her two dragons for waiting for me. I do it all of the time. Me nice. Someone else ordered a blue gecko, I threw in 2 because he was nice. Read the thread. I did not know why he filed the non-delivery report? He called in November and I said I would either send him my snakes or the refund. I told him a thousand times during this wait to take the money back and he refused as he wanted the snakes. He said OK, hung up the phone, filed a non-delivery report which suspended my account and he got on a plane to alaska the next day and I could not even reach him to ask what was wrong as we just spoke. So instead of waiting for the issue to be cleared, I refunded the money and thought he got into a fight with his girl and if it was more money then it was compensation for his troubles or whatever.

He filed a bogus non-delivery report with malicious intentions to freeze my advertising privileges despite he kept the other snakes. Now I do not know if you have much experience buying reptiles but if an animal does not arrive in good condition, normal folks return it as that is the standard in the business. He did not return the snakes when asked dozens of times. He kept the snakes. My or anyones guarantee does not state to keep the snakes from July to November and then file a non-delivery report.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Why would you pay him extra for trying to steal from you, and then let the entire issue drop until he brings it back up here on this site, THEN you go after him with what appears to be retalitory threats of litagation?
Fred

I don't know why he made this thread? He has the snakes, has the money, and got away with murder and doctored the emails and dates and made them appear as if he was buying a snake I was advertising. The snakes I had in my possession went to zoos. I ran out, he called and I told him I was out and he talked me into getting them from the personal collection of someone else. His entire story is bogus and he is trying to defame my company for some unknown reason? I don't know why?

He has the snakes and had the refund many months ago.

Why do you think he made this thread Fred? He got away with snakes and money so go figure? I can only believe he is in collaboration with someone else I proved wrong before as I don't see the point? If I get a reptile with a blister in a box I put it in dry conditions and go back to watching Judge Judy and this fellow took a crap in his pants and robbed the other 3 snakes.

 

[skcusnad]

Dan I don't know much about how you all run the reptile business. It is truely just a hobby to me. But regardless, it does not seem convincing to pay someone, who you feel is stealing from you, more money than he wants refunded. What means did you use to come up with a figure to over-compensate him?

He WORKS in the north, and his emails advise you of that in many places, so to simply say the he got on a plane to Alaska implies that he was fleeing, and in some of your past posts you more than imply that he fled the country after filing his report with the feds.

Also, I understand that you say you don't still have the emails in which you asked him to return the snakes, but he has produced emails where you asked him NOT to return any of the snakes. Now if you were on a jury, which would you believe? Phone records only prove that you or he called or attempted to call each other, and do not prove the content of said calls. The only way you could prove anything that took place over the phone is if you recorded the conversation (which we all know is a third degree felony to do without consent of the other party). So phone calls or hearsay from Mr. Miller is not of any value. Why would you delete such important emails when you believe you are being scammed, and may have to file for civil relief, or at very least use them in your defense with kingsnake to un-suspend your account. That seems unwise to loose such important emails. And again, I would work up something more for a reasonable cause to overpay someone who is scamming you.
Fred

 

[JG1153]

If In fact I am a scammer why would I come on a public forum and start this thread knowing well enough you weren't just going to leave it alone? I supposedly already got away clean with a scam undetected why would I put my self out there? Scammers try to fly under the radar in order to continue doing what they do. they fear being exposed because that negatively affects their ability to continue their fraudulent behavior. Remember it was me who began this thread in order to expose the scammer not the other way around and it is you who continues to attempt to weasel your way around taking any responsibility and any time you're confronted and cornered with the logical conclusions of your own statements you change your story once again in order to squirm out of that situation.

 

[skcusnad]

BTW, Do you have any saved correspondence with Mr. Miller in which you would have asked him to recompensate you for the money you felt you had to pay Juan so that you could restore your kingsnake ads? I'm certain you would have at least kept that. I totally understand your urgency in getting your kingsnake account turned on, as that appears to be a substantial part of your income. So I understand why you would quickly pay a refund to Juan (but not extra for trying to rip you off), but you then should have demanded those funds be reimbersed to ou by Mr Miller, since they were his snakes, and he alone profited from the initial transaction. Can you at least support that you sought to be reimbersed by Miller?
Fred

 

[skcusnad]

If In fact I am a scammer why would I come on a public forum and start this thread knowing well enough you weren't just going to leave it alone? I supposedly already got away clean with a scam undetected why would I put my self out there? Scammers try to fly under the radar in order to continue doing what they do. they fear being exposed because that negatively affects their ability to continue their fraudulent behavior. Remember it was me who began this thread in order to expose the scammer not the other way around and it is you who continues to attempt to weasel your way around taking any responsibility and any time you're confronted and cornered with the logical conclusions of your own statements you change your story once again in order to squirm out of that situation.

That is a valid point, and one that would be considered in Juan's favor by a jury.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Fred, he is a liar and thief and does not even deserve permission to post or even speak for that matter. He is criminal who scammed to get the snakes and the money. Like I said, I do not have emails from July 2008 so have no correspondence with the buyer or the person he got them from. If that person has some, perhaps we will use them in court but I am sure Mr. Liar Garcia's attorney will settle before court.

Keep in mind that Mr. Liar Garcia stated he did not know about getting the snakes from the importers collection and the importer provided an email saying so which proves Mr. Liar Garcia is a liar.

And Fred, I can only speak to you on the phone about a few issues I cannot say about some of the questions you asked so hope you get my drift.