Inquiry How do I take back my credits from Alex Hue？

[earthpig23]

A bit melodramatic.

yes but you also have to admit its a bit true.

The customer waits till someone else has a bad dealing and then uses this as his time and place to complain about the issue. whether he has a legitment complaint or not. you know many other threads have been squashed because people post on here before trying to go through actually business first to make things right.

 

[rosebud945]

Exactly. If he knew the photo was so messed up and felt he was given a misrepresented animal he should have contacted Alex. The BOI is not the place someone needs to hear of an issue first.

If the person in question has been accused of photo shopping pics, and he has further evidence of this behavior, I think it is perfectly relevant.

I do wish Alex well with regard to his Mother, but speaking as someone in similar shoes, I would never ignore such large monetary responsibilities to others as are being discussed here. It sounds like Alex was burned a little himself if he is telling the truth about one of his distributors who he had to wrangle a refund out of, but what happened to all the rest of the money?

 

[earthpig23]

If the person in question has been accused of photo shopping pics, and he has further evidence of this behavior, I think it is perfectly relevant.

I do wish Alex well with regard to his Mother, but speaking as someone in similar shoes, I would never ignore such large monetary responsibilities to others as are being discussed here. It sounds like Alex was burned a little himself if he is telling the truth about one of his distributors who he had to wrangle a refund out of, but what happened to all the rest of the money?

Relevent or not if he was unhappy and was certain the animal was misrepresented then he need to contact Alex and coduct his own complaints and issue with him.

 

[earthpig23]

Aslo the person in question had been accused only of not refunding money and oweing money to overseas customers.

Had the post originally been about photoshopping, misrepresenting or other issues then he would be more justified in his post.

just my opinion

 

[binary71]

A bit melodramatic.

like you have any right to call anyone dramatic with all the crap you spew out

 

[dreamgeckos]

Alex called me on the phone today in reply to a message I left on his voice mail. His mother is back in the hospital, and he was home for a few hours before heading back to Indiana. Alex has moved and the new place does not have internet service installed yet. He is apparently out in the boonies now because he is out of range of DSL service and is awaiting Comcast to run cable from the pole to the house.

I offered to post something for him in this thread if he would forward it to me. This is cut and pasted from a Word document, so I'm not sure how great the formatting is going to look, but here goes.



Alex said he is expecting Comcast to install the cable early this upcoming week, so hopefully he can take it from here after that time.

Here are the emails ! his dates are of thats piont 1 piont 2 is he did not say annything about shipping at this piont of time let me know what you think


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Receipt/Invoice


Give me your paypal addy.....we'll refund you asap, the geckos we sent were
approx 8-10 weeks old with a few a little older. I'll just sell them to
someone else.

Whats really amazing to me is, how people always want the best and cheapest
prices....yet expect to be treated like they paid top dollar, don't you
agree? Think about it, do you REALLY expect large almost breeding size
animals for the price I gave you??? Hell, if YOU have any that are 12 grams
or larger for the price I gave them to you for....I'll BUY THEM ALL !

Realistically, I hope you can find them cheaper somewhere else...or at least
find anyone who produces the quantities I produce.

Hurry up and email me your paypal addy so we can refund you and cancel the
order, makes me feel like I was right in the beginning and should've NOT
done any deal with you.....PERIOD.






-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:50 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


alex that was not the deal you said :

Hi richard,

The 5 geckos will be approx. 12 weeks old in December, but I will try and
get you the oldest ones I have.

MSSBA is 250.00 each or 200.00 each 5 or more.

Alex
____________________________


And now you are mailing me that the geckos will be 6-8 weeks and some
juviniles

To be honnest in the last batch there where allot of juviniles i lost 2 to 3

of them coz they died probebly stress and weight since they where so
unbelievably small.

you said that the annimals would be about 12 weeks and that you would try to

get older annimals.

if these annimals are small meaning under 12 grams then i do not wish to
purchage them since the chance of dieing is to great.

a deal is a deal.

i hope you will resolve this issue,

Greetz
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Receipt/Invoice


Richard,

There's only 1 qty in the MSSPTA because you're only paying for one this
time, the other one you already paid for with the last order....the other
one is a replacement, if you look at the description in that line...it'll
say 0.2.

Sorry, they will be 6-8 week olds and a couple of juveniles, I used the
wrong product code when I did your invoice and it put in the wrong
description.

Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


Hello Alex,

all seems oke exept the ammount of geckos it says 1 MSSPTA that should be 2
( in the first kollom )

if i read the invoice correctly its subaddults you are delivering me correct

?


Greetz
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Receipt/Invoice


> Hi Richard,
>
> Please see attached invoice/receipt and let me know its correct.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>

Greetz
Richard van Vondel

 

[dreamgeckos]

Chuck, Then you have here where Richard says he will take animals or refund.

if he not hase money , money is preferable in this case or if the annimals are up to par and healthy then that is fine to ( this however needs to be cheked by a NEUTRAL 3rd party on arival in europe !

Greetz
Richard

 

[BalloonzForU]

So the first time you mention the size and deaths are after you placed the second order? Why didn't you mention it earlier?

 

[dreamgeckos]

Nope, that's not what he is saying at all.

What Richard said clearly was:
-------------
"if he does not have the monney other terms could be made but only under supervision of a neutral 3rd party ( think of paying in installments 50 / 50 or paying in Healthy Tested cryptofree leopardgeckos ofr wholesale prices ( since thats what he billed me before ) of my choosing for the ammount of 750 dollars."
--------------

If Alex doesn't have the money then Richard will consider other options, so he isn't totally screwed, which was Alex's THIRD OPTION just in case you forgot.

If I'm wrong on that, Richard can correct me. But that's how it reads to me.

Also, the offer you are quoting from Richard has been made most recently. He just doesn't want to be at a total loss. I cant blame him for trying anything he can at this point to just even get an acknowledgment out of Alex, and maybe a path to some form of resolution.

100% correct this is exactly what i meen !

 

[dreamgeckos]

Chuck, Point taken.

What about the loss of money incurred by Alex for shipping to his exporter then having to be shipped back to Alex because Richard canceled the order the same day when Alex already shipped the animals?

Then again why did Richard place another order with Alex when Alex hand delivered to first order to him in Hamm and he never said anything about the geckos at the time of delivery? He did contact Alex about there being one mislabled and Alex agreed to replace them, but there was no mention of them being in poor health or wrong size in his communications posted to Alex. If they were in fact in poor health or wrong size, should he have not told this to Alex at the time of delivery or in a timely manor so that Alex could correct it? But Richard didn't mention this at all to Alex but he did place another order with Alex after the first in which NOW he says the animals were sick and the wrong size?

alex actualy owes me 880 dollars so 750 should be a fine settlement ... ( 130 euro for a MSSPTA that became a MSSTA )

i am not asking that monney back although he knows that this happened i am forgetting that 130 wich should cover the costs ( if he mada anny wich i still dont believe )

Greetz
Richard

 

[earthpig23]

Dream geckos is their an email in response where you sent him your paypal and any response there after?

 

[dreamgeckos]

So the first time you mention the size and deaths are after you placed the second order? Why didn't you mention it earlier?

if you read correctly i placed the 2cond order right after i got the first , i didnt say annything to alex about the size coz he had more then 1 customer and i didnt buy geckos of him before , i guessed it would all be alright ..

but after some time of the geckos thining even more i started to slury handfeed them that kept em up a bid longer but eventualy they died .

the price i got from alex was realy good but i dint want the same again so i told him i need 12 weeks old because of ( the above ) now he mailed me the invoice pretty close to the show , on the invoice it said -----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


Hello Alex,

all seems oke exept the ammount of geckos it says 1 MSSPTA that should be 2
( in the first kollom )

if i read the invoice correctly its subaddults you are delivering me correct..
_________________

His reaction was
____________

Richard,

There's only 1 qty in the MSSPTA because you're only paying for one this
time, the other one you already paid for with the last order....the other
one is a replacement, if you look at the description in that line...it'll
say 0.2.

Sorry, they will be 6-8 week olds and a couple of juveniles, I used the
wrong product code when I did your invoice and it put in the wrong
description.

Alex

____________

so my reaction was

_____________--
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:50 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


alex that was not the deal you said :

Hi richard,

The 5 geckos will be approx. 12 weeks old in December, but I will try and
get you the oldest ones I have.

MSSBA is 250.00 each or 200.00 each 5 or more.

Alex
____________________________


And now you are mailing me that the geckos will be 6-8 weeks and some
juviniles

To be honnest in the last batch there where allot of juviniles i lost 2 to 3

of them coz they died probebly stress and weight since they where so
unbelievably small.

you said that the annimals would be about 12 weeks and that you would try to

get older annimals.

if these annimals are small meaning under 12 grams then i do not wish to
purchage them since the chance of dieing is to great.

a deal is a deal.

i hope you will resolve this issue,

Greetz
Richard
________

you would probebly have done the same , i have no use for dead or soon to be dead leopard geckos , its annimal abuse if i would still let em come knowing what happened to the first Small batch that came in.

so that is why i cancelled coz alex didnt hold up to the deal .

Greetz
Richard

 

[dreamgeckos]

Dream geckos is their an email in response where you sent him your paypal and any response there after?

yup here :


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex @ AHR
To: 'Richard van Vondel'
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Receipt/Invoice


Why did I respond in the way I did?

Let me explain something, I'm real easy to deal with, if there's a problem...I have no problems resolving anything...you can ask anyone, I've given away more geckos in the last year than most people produce in 10 years.

What pisses me off is, when people act like I "HAVE" do anything....if you would've emailed me and said.......

" hey Alex, just a reminder but I needed the bigger geckos"

I would've said no problem and I would've been more than happy to make sure we had bigger ones."

Look back on all of the email communications.....where did YOU ever ask for 12 gram geckos?????? I have every single email you sent me and every email I sent to you....NOT ONCE did you ask for 12 grams or bigger until today.

I said they will be APPROX 12 weeks old. Did I ever say they would be 12 grams or larger? Did you EVER ask me for 12 grams or larger before the email you sent me today???

Let me ask you, why do you think I'm pissed?

If you would've told me ahead of time that you wanted 12 grams or bigger....no problem, but you act like I'm suppose to know that even though you never asked for that size? Did you?

As for the wrong sexes......once again, I already said I would replace them for no charge, I even included 2 extra ones in this December shipment for no charge, did you tell me you wanted to keep those ones you already had?????? Because you received the wrong sexes, am I suppose to let you keep those and send more free geckos??? Of course not, if you want to keep those then you have to pay for those. Correct?

So don’t talk about wrong sexes when it was very easy for you to say..."hey Alex, I got wrong sexes can you change them out"...really easy. Instead I believe you want me to send replacements and still let you keep those too? Isnt this right?

So I ask you again, show me the email before today where you asked me for older geckos ? I don’t see it anywhere and I have all of the emails....as a matter of fact, I'll paste some of them below.

Here is your paypal . Where in that payment does it say give me 12 grams or older?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear Alex Hue Inc.,

richard van vondel just sent you money with PayPal.

richard van vondel is a Verified buyer.
----------------------------------------------------------------


-----------------------------------
Payment Details
-----------------------------------

Amount: $750.00 USD

Transaction ID: 4H897884SV525290A

Subject: U heeft een betaling ontvangen

Message: Hey Alex,

Payment in Full for the 3 MSSTA Females and the 1 MSSTA male , and the 1 MSSPTA Male,


Greetz Richard van Vondel
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

What about this email where you order the geckos, where does it say you wanted 12 grams or older?????

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey Alex,
i would like to order for the Hamm December show.

1 MSSPTA Male = 270 including shipping

1 MSSTA Male = 120 including shipping

3 MSSTA Females = 360 including shipping

Total = 750 dollar downpayment (half ) will be made within a week or so.


that would be it for now.

can you confirm this order and if it can be delivered so that i can tell the ppl ordering that the delivery will be made.

greetz and again thanks

PS: the geckos are doeing fine
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Do you understand why I am pissed now?????

Also look at that email you sent me above, do you see where YOU SAY "the geckos are doeing fine". How am I suppose to know if there are any problems if YOU dont say anything, I'm not a mind reader.

You sent me that email stating that if the geckos are not 12 grams than you dont want them...and then complaining about wrong sexes even though you keep saying its no problem, and finally you said to me before that all geckos were doing fine but now you tell me that some died within 2 weeks....................you tell me, what am I suppose to think and feel???

Lastly, why should you get 130.00 back for the MSSTA? Did you forget that I gave you a very very very discounted price on the whole package? I want to know how you came up with that number.

I just dont like the way you demanded I do something when what you shoould've done was remind me and ask me nicely instead.

Other breeders here in the USA would tell you tough luck and no guarantees for sex or health or anything else, I'm different.....I do what I can do help my customers, but I will not let ANYBODY demand things from me and try to make me do something when its much better and easier just to ask me.

You can ask David Davies, I have given him over $5,000.00-$8,000.00 USD in free reptiles, do you know why?? because he always asks me politely instead of DEMANDING it like you, when you sent me that email.

Alex




-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:38 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


Alex,

why do you respond in the way you just did,

i have never said that YOUR quality is bad , nor that it was your fault that
those annimals that i bought from you died.
i understand that you are a large breeder that not the issue.

but i would like to remember you that the last time i bought from you that i
bought 6 MSSPTA 1 Male 5 Females now it turned out to be that the male i
bought for MSSPTA turned out to be a MSSTA
the 5 females turned out to be 3 females and 2 males .. i payd females so
thats of the 6 geckos i bought 3 mistakes.. now the MSSTA i bought 9 , 3
died within 2 weeks thats 1/3 of the geckos thats WHY i said that i didnt
want to young animals because they could not handle the stess.. again i
didnt say it was your fault.
i NEVER blamed you for it now did i....
instead i sayd to myself hell shit happens.

so i ordered again telling you that i needed OLDER annimals coz of stress
and deathlos thats why i ordered so early.

my paypallaccount is . [email protected]

if annybody should be pissed off then it should have been me. the ammount to payback is : 750 dollars + 130 dollars ( of the MSSPTA that turned out to be a MSSTA ) =
880 Dollars.






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Also the reason why he send the Fword mail was coz i said that 3 month old leopard should pretty much always be heavyer then 12 grams ( you can not know how old a gecko is if you didnt hatch it so the only way for me to be sure was the weight indication )

Greetz
Richard

 

[BalloonzForU]

if you read correctly i placed the 2cond order right after i got the first , i didnt say annything to alex about the size coz he had more then 1 customer and i didnt buy geckos of him before , i guessed it would all be alright ..
but after some time of the geckos thining even more i started to slury handfeed them that kept em up a bid longer but eventualy they died .

the price i got from alex was realy good but i dint want the same again so i told him i need 12 weeks old because of ( the above ) now he mailed me the invoice pretty close to the show , on the invoice it said -----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


Hello Alex,

all seems oke exept the ammount of geckos it says 1 MSSPTA that should be 2
( in the first kollom )

if i read the invoice correctly its subaddults you are delivering me correct..
_________________

His reaction was
____________

Richard,

There's only 1 qty in the MSSPTA because you're only paying for one this
time, the other one you already paid for with the last order....the other
one is a replacement, if you look at the description in that line...it'll
say 0.2.

Sorry, they will be 6-8 week olds and a couple of juveniles, I used the
wrong product code when I did your invoice and it put in the wrong
description.

Alex

____________

so my reaction was

_____________--
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:50 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


alex that was not the deal you said :

Hi richard,

The 5 geckos will be approx. 12 weeks old in December, but I will try and
get you the oldest ones I have.

MSSBA is 250.00 each or 200.00 each 5 or more.

Alex
____________________________


And now you are mailing me that the geckos will be 6-8 weeks and some
juviniles

To be honnest in the last batch there where allot of juviniles i lost 2 to 3

of them coz they died probebly stress and weight since they where so
unbelievably small.

you said that the annimals would be about 12 weeks and that you would try to

get older annimals.

if these annimals are small meaning under 12 grams then i do not wish to
purchage them since the chance of dieing is to great.

a deal is a deal.

i hope you will resolve this issue,

Greetz
Richard
________

you would probebly have done the same , i have no use for dead or soon to be dead leopard geckos , its annimal abuse if i would still let em come knowing what happened to the first Small batch that came in.

so that is why i cancelled coz alex didnt hold up to the deal .

Greetz
Richard

I am reading it correctly, and I'm wondering why you waited so long to mention these issues to Alex? You had plenty of time, yet you didn't mention a thing till Dec?

 

[dreamgeckos]

I am reading it correctly, and I'm wondering why you waited so long to mention these issues to Alex? You had plenty of time, yet you didn't mention a thing till Dec?

wel if you would read correctly even alex stated i knew you lost geckos !

so i didnt say it in december but far before that...

 

[dreamgeckos]

wel if you would read correctly even alex stated i knew you lost geckos !

so i didnt say it in december but far before that...

and ontop of that i never asked for a refund of those geckos , plus i never said it was his fault ( coz i dont blame ppl easely even if they did something wrong)

the only thing that i want is to be compensated so that is why i made the , he can pay me back my 750 dollars on my paypall account wich now is :

[email protected]

and be done with it,.

 

[dreamgeckos]

I am reading it correctly, and I'm wondering why you waited so long to mention these issues to Alex? You had plenty of time, yet you didn't mention a thing till Dec?

Hmm Felicia it might be that this mail is missing so yes you read it right coz it was not posted


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Receipt/Invoice


Also.......just so you know, I also included 2 more MSSPTA for FREE because
I knew you lost a couple....oh well too freaking bad.


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:50 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


alex that was not the deal you said :

Hi richard,

The 5 geckos will be approx. 12 weeks old in December, but I will try and
get you the oldest ones I have.

MSSBA is 250.00 each or 200.00 each 5 or more.

Alex
____________________________


And now you are mailing me that the geckos will be 6-8 weeks and some
juviniles

To be honnest in the last batch there where allot of juviniles i lost 2 to 3

of them coz they died probebly stress and weight since they where so
unbelievably small.

you said that the annimals would be about 12 weeks and that you would try to

get older annimals.

if these annimals are small meaning under 12 grams then i do not wish to
purchage them since the chance of dieing is to great.

a deal is a deal.

i hope you will resolve this issue,

Greetz
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Receipt/Invoice


Richard,

There's only 1 qty in the MSSPTA because you're only paying for one this
time, the other one you already paid for with the last order....the other
one is a replacement, if you look at the description in that line...it'll
say 0.2.

Sorry, they will be 6-8 week olds and a couple of juveniles, I used the
wrong product code when I did your invoice and it put in the wrong
description.

Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard van Vondel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Alex @ AHR
Subject: Re: Receipt/Invoice


Hello Alex,

all seems oke exept the ammount of geckos it says 1 MSSPTA that should be 2
( in the first kollom )

if i read the invoice correctly its subaddults you are delivering me correct

?


Greetz
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex @ AHR" <[email protected]>
To: "'Richard van Vondel'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Receipt/Invoice


> Hi Richard,
>
> Please see attached invoice/receipt and let me know its correct.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>
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Here you go felicia you where right il put a foot in my mouth now

i hope this awnsers your question .

 

[BalloonzForU]

wel if you would read correctly even alex stated i knew you lost geckos !

so i didnt say it in december but far before that...

If you're referring to Alex's reply that Rich posted noting that you lost animals, that is not proof that you told him any sooner than Dec. The only proof you've shown is that Alex was told in Dec, no where do I see anything earlier. You received the first order hand delivered by Alex in Sept but Alex is unaware of any issues till Dec? As a buyer, if I were to notice something is wrong I wouldn't wait almost three months to inform the seller there's an issue, I sure as hell wouldn't wait till they all died and then two plus months later complain about it.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Hmm Felicia it might be that this mail is missing so yes you read it right coz it was not posted




Here you go felicia you where right il put a foot in my mouth now

i hope this awnsers your question .

We were posting at the same time.

However, your most recent post a new email from Alex explaining why he's upset, states he knew nothing of there being an issue till last minute. He also asks for a copy of this email that was supose to tell him of an issue that you say you sent earlier. Can you find it or is it a case of you thought you sent it and in fact you never did?

 

[dreamgeckos]

If you're referring to Alex's reply that Rich posted noting that you lost animals, that is not proof that you told him any sooner than Dec. The only proof you've shown is that Alex was told in Dec, no where do I see anything earlier. You received the first order hand delivered by Alex in Sept but Alex is unaware of any issues till Dec? As a buyer, if I were to notice something is wrong I wouldn't wait almost three months to inform the seller there's an issue, I sure as hell wouldn't wait till they all died and then two plus months later complain about it.

i am not claiming annything for the geckos that i lost ...... i held alex to the 12 weeks part he didnt hold to that deal i cancelled piont finished .. i have reasons not to want realy small young geckos from alex simpel as that so i do not see what the piont is you are trying to make he didnt life up to the deal i cancelled .

can you give me 1 reason why he is in the right with keeping my monney although he didnt hold to his end of the deal .

Greetz

richard

and yes the deal was 12 weeks or older is asking for 12 grams to much ??? if that would be true that 12 week old geckos are not even 12 grams you can tell annyone what you think but i know fom experiance that it seldom happens that a gecko 12 weeks of age hase NOT hit 12 grams yet .