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Bad Guy Ian of Outback Reptiles

Ralphieeeee said:
Yeah, it didn't seem too bad though. It just looked a tad bit skinnier than the rest of the ball pythons. I was referring to it as maybe there was something wrong with it, but I didn't know as to I was somewhat new to the ball python community at the time. I was sold a sick snake.
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I don't know if you were sold a sick bp or not.

I can tell you that every ball python moved from person to person is a possible problem feeder due to that move. it will calm down after its in its new home and resume eating in time, if not disturbed to often.

Internal parasites does not always mean its a sick snake. a simple fecal exam will detect them and they are easily removed. parasites can be introduced to a bp in many ways. that first vet visit with a new ball python is important.
 
Ed Clark said:
I don't know if you were sold a sick bp or not.

I can tell you that every ball python moved from person to person is a possible problem feeder due to that move. it will calm down after its in its new home and resume eating in time, if not disturbed to often.

Internal parasites does not always mean its a sick snake. a simple fecal exam will detect them and they are easily removed. parasites can be introduced to a bp in many ways. that first vet visit with a new ball python is important.
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:iagree:
Sound advice Ed.

Randal Berry
 
geckoprincess said:
I was in front of the table, when Ian offered you a deal. Remember what you told him? "That sounds Great Man, I'll think about it" Then you left and came back 2 hours later. While you passed the table you yelled aloud "Dude you sold me a sick snake" and ran down the stairs as Ian said " F you kid " After you ran off, Ian took the time to explain to everyone there what had takin place. He didnt have to do that. Then Ian looked at me and said, " I'm sorry Bro did you need some help or just enjoying the freak show" I said "just calm down bro you that dude aint worth it...
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Your name is "Sara Anne", but he called you "Bro"?
 
Oh wow. My bad, I see what you mean now. Yeah I saw that before. Probably a boyfriend or husband on her account.
 
Ralphieeeee said:
Then out of anger, I cursed back at him and went down the table telling people not to buy from him because he sold me a sick snake then headed for the exit.
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Wow. Just, wow. And then you had mom and girlfriend to go back and try to work with him again, thinking maybe he'd be more amenable after you pulled that one? I'm surprised after that outburst that they'd let you back into that show at all. Completely uncalled for.
 
Ralphieeeee said:
haha o wow...because i'm sure you'd say thanks i love you too.
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And I'm sure you would be completely amicable and accommodating if you ran a large customer-oriented business such as Ian's and had some punk kid threatening to try to smear your reputation on the internet because the deal offered was not good enough...

Why do you keep harping on about $40 off of a $200 female pastel being a deal he'd give anybody if they just asked nicely (which you didn't)? Go to any tables at the show and 90% of the prices will not beat Outback's in the first place, yet you think that Ian will give people an even better deal for no reason other than that they had the genius idea to ask if the price on the table was more of a suggestion than a sales price tag? Why waste the label tape when you can just ask for offers on everything on display?

Look around at the feedback on Outback Reptiles. You can find maybe 2 or 3 bad incidents on various forums including this one. With Ian selling thousands and thousands of animals, obviously there will be problems with them from time to time. Since Fauna isn't full of threads such as this one, it is reasonable to assume that most of the other instances of sick animals/etc were taken care of quietly and efficiently enough so that the receiving parties were adequately taken care of. Apparently there was a different variable in this equation- you came up to his table with a ridiculous sense of entitlement thinking that YOU were the one who could decide what prices were fair and how Ian should fix YOUR problem (which it became when you waited an entire week before even mentioning to the seller that you had a problem with the product that you personally picked out of the thousands of animals at the white plains show).

And your story doesn't even add up- as Raizincain stated, there are no women answering the phones at Outback, and he should know. Raizincain/Rolland Felton is the sales rep for Outback Reptiles, or in other words the person who answers when you call their number... Either your mother needs hearing aids or you are full of it.

I also want to know why you tried feeding your ball python before letting it settle in. You (supposedly) called after a week complaining that your baby ball python wouldn't eat? Most people wait a week MINIMUM before even trying to feed newly acquired ball pythons. You admit that you are new to the ball python world, but insist that your husbandry is perfect and everything that happened is the fault of the established breeder with a great reputation in the industry.

So after all this, you made a fauna Bad Guy thread and are wondering why everybody isn't exactly on your side...

ApexPredatorBoids said:
Yet again, people are bending over backwards to defend a name.
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I thought the point of these boards was to see what people thought of sellers before making their purchases? If there are this many people "bending over backwards" to defend a name then it's safe to make the leap of faith that maybe he is a good guy after all

ApexPredatorBoids said:
Unless the OP is flat out falsifying parts of his story, I don't see how the kid really deserves the treatment he got from the seller or from some posters here. And to make fun of the girlfriend and call her names..that's just WEAK.
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As previously stated there has already been some serious doubt shone on a few parts of his story... And his girlfriend made this her problem when she started "OH NO YOU DIN'T"-ing at Ian when her boyfriend moped away to stare at the table while he tried to come up with something intelligent to say instead of spouting off that one of the largest reptile suppliers in the country intentionally tried to cheat some kid out of 200 bucks on a male spider ball python. I made fun of the little pumpkin because I found it very relevant to the issue, being that she was one of the rude, demanding little kids that caused Ian to lose his cool in the first place.

I'm truly sad to see your Myspace status is "blah" and hope you feel better soon Mr. Ralphieeeeeeee Turner.

-Mike Schultz
 
Blah blah blah Ian can do no wrong, blah blah picking on kids makes me feel good about myself, blah blah. How about we got to a more relevant topic. I ask, AGAIN:

How long after exposure to hookworms does it usually take for a snake to become noticably ill? IF the snake was %100 healthy when purchased, is it possible that it could have become symptomatic after only a few hours? Is it even possible for it to get to the point of bloody stool after a week? Does Outback Reptiles also sell bearded dragons?
 
Mike I'm glad your trolling me on myspace and all. I'm also glad you are Ian's boyfriend from what I hear. I wonder why other tables won't beat Outback's tables in prices, um maybe because they're actually healthy snakes being sold. And maybe my mother did hear incorrectly, oh well. All that I know is she called twice and I got on the phone with what was supposedly Ian, but when I talked to him at the show he was telling me I was on the phone with somebody else. As to the normal balls I had bought a year ago from Ian, I might have e-mailed about them asking how they were fed because I couldn't get them to eat at first, but they started eating after a month or so and one died for no apparent reason a day after it ate, which I don't blame anyone for. I did mention on the phone I bought two normal baby balls a year ago from him, but I didn't tell him I had trouble with them at all. I know that I should wait a week now after feeding and all, but I heard somebody at Outback's staff telling a customer that it feeds on Tuesday(that's two days after the show) anyways so why make a fuss out of my husbandry? And stop bashing on my girlfriend, you and Ian. Just because she stood up for me, because I don't know how to stand up for my own self, doesn't mean she was the "rude, demanding little kid." All she did was try to reason for the sick snake that I was sold from Outback Reptiles and Ian couldn't push her away with his "intelligent talking" like he did with me.

And yes, I do too want to know how long it takes for a a sickness like hookworm to spread and show sings because my snake defecated in under 3 hours of me being home from the show and the fecal matter was nowhere near normal. A burglar must have jumped in the room I have my beardies in, played with them a little bit, ran downstairs, played with my spider bp from Outback, and forgot to wash his hands in between and that must be how my snake received hookworm in under the 3 hours that I was home from the show. That of course being the only way my snake received hookworm if it can spread and show signs in only a matter of a few hours.
 
I don't think Ian handled this situation well at all, but if I had a skinny kid eyeballing all of my customers, getting into staring contests, and sending his mom and gf after me cuz he is apparently incapable of maintaining a calm demeanor, then I'd be pretty ticked too. I don't think anyone's right. But, some people need to learn that acting like a spoiled child throwing a hissy fit is only going to make matters worse.
 
Maybe if Ralphieeeeee did not act like a child in everything from his interactions with Ian to his username on these boards he would not be treated like one.

You can ask me as many veterinary questions as you want but
I will comment only on what I know, and my firm opinion on this matter based on personally witnessing the events at the White Plains reptile expo is that Ralphie was completely out of line, and Ian responded in the way he did based on Ralphie's childish attitude.

Somebody else who was there (gecko princess) has said basically the same thing, if not quite as eloquently or inflammatory as I did. So that's two witnesses with one collaborating story against the word of some kid who talked to an imaginary woman on the phone. At least, his girlfriend natters on enough that you'd think he could recognize a woman's voice when he heard one so I'm not entertaining the possibility that he actually did talk to a womanly sounding man, as I've talked to Rolland on the phone and his vocal chords must be about 7 inches long.
 
Ralphieeeee said:
Mike I'm glad your trolling me on myspace and all. I'm also glad you are Ian's boyfriend from what I hear.
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Just checking your public profile to make sure you were the right kid before I made a big fuss on the boards. There's no mistaking your aquanet hair though so I was glad it was the right kid after all the crap i spewed in my first post.

Ralphieeeee said:
I know that I should wait a week now after feeding and all, but I heard somebody at Outback's staff telling a customer that it feeds on Tuesday(that's two days after the show) anyways so why make a fuss out of my husbandry?
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Good vendors tend to tell when animals were last fed when they are asked, which is a very common question for people purchasing animals like snakes (especially ball pythons, which are fussy eaters).

Ralphieeeee said:
And stop bashing on my girlfriend, you and Ian. Just because she stood up for me, because I don't know how to stand up for my own self, doesn't mean she was the "rude, demanding little kid." All she did was try to reason for the sick snake that I was sold from Outback Reptiles and Ian couldn't push her away with his "intelligent talking" like he did with me.
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Those intelligent people are always trying to confuse poor stupid people with their intelligent talking. It was a few miles from New York City, after all... Perhaps if he adopted the language of the streets he could have had an easier time explaining things to you. Yo bruva, got a lucy? 50 cent.

Here's a bit of advice: if you can't stand up for yourself, having your girlfriend do it for you won't make matters better. There's an old Iriquois proverb: You can give a man a free snake, and he is happy for a show. But if you teach him to take care of his own snakes, maybe he won't show up at the next show looking for another free snake. Or maybe it was something to do with fish? Who knows. It sounded like a fish over the phone at least.
 
Once again, I did not tell anyone to speak up for me because I usually don't fight, I usually let people step all over me. My girlfriend and mother did it without telling me before they talked to Ian. That's fine though. Maybe I can learn to be a smart guy like you Mike. I really hope so, because then I could be all big and tough. Oh well. Outback Reptiles sold me a sick snake. Just wanting others to be alert when buying from them. That is all.
 
Oh well, Ralph Turner turns customers away from your tables when he is not happy. Just letting vendors know so they can be alert when they see him staring across the aisles with his steeley gaze.
 
LMAO. Did anybody read the tags associated with this thread? r0flcopter.
 
ian is a good guy

i just got a albino lab burm from ian. great service and i love my new snake.:D
 
the proof..

Ralphieee,

Without some proof of the vet statement your not going to get anywhere on this thread and to be honest, I feel like your dig your-self a bigger and bigger hole. You said your mom was going to upload the vet report. We need that document. Otherwise...:shootfoot your never going to help your-self in this situation.
 
Outback

My name is Joe Ellis. I have bought thousands of dollars worth of animals for the shop I work at and for myself. I almost never have issues. If I ever did they were fix no problem. Ian stands behind his animals and if you treat him with respect he is more than willing to help you out. When you have your mommy and girlfriend come up that makes you look like a :censored:. Treat people with respect and you will get it back. People will also respect you more if you did not look like a queer.

Joe Ellis
 
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