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I was just wondering if anyone has had any dealings with Frantz Herpetological? If so how did it go?? I saw an ad and was wondering about some of the animals they had up.. I don't know if I can post the ad or not so I won't until I know otherwise.. Any help will be appreciated..

Thanks
Alan Sarratt
 
I have dealt with Troy twice, getting two older neonate (hopper eater) Green Tree Pythons from him. He is excellent to deal with, ships promptly; both animals arrived before 12 noon. They have both eaten like champs.

Only small, small issue I had with him was I asked him three post sale questions (new owner stuff) he answered two of them promptly the last question I never received a reply to. Very possible the Email was lost in the cracks though.

Vincent Menna
 
I have known Troy for about six years now and can tell you that he is a great guy who takes excellent care of his animals. I have heard no complaints about Troy. Troy is an upstanding guy who has great animals. Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Travis Whisler
 
I have only delt with Troy once. I purchased a Woma from him several years ago. Everything went very well and would deal with him again any time. I have heard nothing but good things about him over the years. You should have no problems with Troy. Jud McClanahan
 
That guy is a LIAR ! He BS's people about where he gets his animals from...
He might breed some but I can bet you alot of them are wild or farm bred !
And the guy is just a smooth talker and suckers people into believing him...
 
Troy buys from Bushmaster reptiles. I don't think he even breeds his own animals. Everything he sells he buys wholesale. I wouldn't pay ANYTHING from him. Looks elsewhere for your reptile needs, he is just a flipper.
 
Frantz

I've purchased 6 GTPs from Frantz over the last couple of years and every one has been great. Good looking and good feeders right out of the gate. I've never been lied to about the animals' origins. I have no problems getting an animal that was produced by Bushmaster and then sold to me at less than Bushmaster's retail price.
I wouldn't hesitate to do business with Frantz Herpetological again.
 
There isnt even a price list for bushmasters chondros that you can see online!
And even if there was a price list, why would you want to buy from someone that tells you he gets them from private breeders and they are from the US?
Atleast get them from brokers who will be honest and tell you exactly where they got them from instead of BS'n you and selling you lies....
Who cares that you are lucky enough to get an animal that is healthy,That isnt the point! Why do business with a LIAR ??????Common sense!
 
chondros785 said:
That guy is a LIAR ! He BS's people about where he gets his animals from...
He might breed some but I can bet you alot of them are wild or farm bred !
And the guy is just a smooth talker and suckers people into believing him...
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chondros785 said:
There isnt even a price list for bushmasters chondros that you can see online!
And even if there was a price list, why would you want to buy from someone that tells you he gets them from private breeders and they are from the US?
Atleast get them from brokers who will be honest and tell you exactly where they got them from instead of BS'n you and selling you lies....
Who cares that you are lucky enough to get an animal that is healthy,That isnt the point! Why do business with a LIAR ??????Common sense!
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Timothy neville said:
Troy buys from Bushmaster reptiles. I don't think he even breeds his own animals. Everything he sells he buys wholesale. I wouldn't pay ANYTHING from him. Looks elsewhere for your reptile needs, he is just a flipper.
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A good customer of mine alerted me to the fact that these libelous comments were posted:

The reputation of my company in the reptile community is beyond reproach and clearly established. The three malicious comments posted above are a violation of defamation law.

defamation (libel for written words), is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always, a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).

The elements that must be proven to establish defamation are:

1) a publication to one other than the person defamed;

2) a false statement of fact;

3) that is understood as
a. being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
b. tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.

4) If the plaintiff is a public figure, he or she must also prove actual malice.


If defamation is proven, both actual damages (to recover from the economic harm that has been suffered), and punitive damages (to punish the person who made the remark and also to serve as an example to deter others) may be sought.

Considering the fact that I have already requested both of your personal information (IP's etc.) from this forum's administrator for the purposes of pursing legal action, I would stop building a case against yourself and this forum (if your comments are allowed to remain).

Fortunately the days of "kids" being able to hide behind their computers making libelous comments at others expense are over.

Sincerely,

Troy Frantz
 
FRANTZ

Im in lawrence KS, and Im not some '' KID '' behind his computer so if you like than we can talk about this matter in person and take it from there....As I said before I know you would come back with some smooth talk and thats all that it is....and I can care less what you know about me because honestly you wont do anything about it....There are people that are more well known and respected than you that know where you get your animals from and cant say anything because of that fact that you are so called ''competition''... So im doing it for them since I noticed something on kingsnake.com that makes perfect sense and shows me you are a liar....Anyway, like I said if you want to you can come to lawrence KS, since you arent that far from me and we can talk about this face to face....Its up to you pal, either way I know I will see you in person one of these days and say the same thing im saying now...
 
chondros785 said:
Im in lawrence KS, and Im not some '' KID '' behind his computer so if you like than we can talk about this matter in person and take it from there....As I said before I know you would come back with some smooth talk and thats all that it is....and I can care less what you know about me because honestly you wont do anything about it....There are people that are more well known and respected than you that know where you get your animals from and cant say anything because of that fact that you are so called ''competition''... So im doing it for them since I noticed something on kingsnake.com that makes perfect sense and shows me you are a liar....Anyway, like I said if you want to you can come to lawrence KS, since you arent that far from me and we can talk about this face to face....Its up to you pal, either way I know I will see you in person one of these days and say the same thing im saying now...
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I'm not wasting a second longer than it requires me to send your information by email to my attorney. You think I'm going to drive to Lawrence to talk to you about your libelous statements? lol?

You create a brand new account on this forum and then make a "highly charged" post on a request for information thread that was over a year old? This wasn't spontaneous, it was a premeditated action by someone that is attempting to marginalize a company's good name.

I would advise you to call me at 316-706-9803 at your earliest convenience and perhaps I can save you from yourself. Or you can just keep on posting. The choice is yours... "Rich".

Troy
 
I think people have a right to know that you lie...Why not be a man and be honest?And just admit that you sometimes get your chondros from bushmaster and call them US CB animals? I dont care what you do Frantz...
I speak for people who either cant say anything for certain reasons and for the people that are just to scared to say anything because of you calling your lawyer like the big man that you are......Rich
 
chondros785 said:
I think people have a right to know that you lie...Why not be a man and be honest?And just admit that you sometimes get your chondros from bushmaster and call them US CB animals? I dont care what you do Frantz...
I speak for people who either cant say anything for certain reasons and for the people that are just to scared to say anything because of you calling your lawyer like the big man that you are......Rich
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I speak for people who either cant say anything for certain reasons and for the people that are just to scared to say anything because of you calling your lawyer like the big man that you are......Rich
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How noble of you!

Still waiting for that phone call Robin Hood...

Troy
 
This topic may have gotten a little too heated for me to post, but...I will anyways.
I've only bought from Troy once but it was an excellent transaction. The green tree python I got from him eats a little too well and, at the same time, is one of the most mild mannered snakes I own. Troy has also answered all of my post-purchase emails promptly and, in general, has been very helpful. And yes, many of his animals are from Bushmaster, but this is clearly advertised on his website. I would not hesitate to buy from him again.
I also wanted to add that since my purchase, I saw a thread about Troy, on a different website, and the people that posted had nothing bad to say about him.
Kim Shell
 
Hi,

I just bought several snakes from a broker and it is so far one of the smoothest transactions I have done to date. Wake up and smell the coffee. Every market has there salesman. Some sell direct and most use a middle man. Why are you so down on the wholesalers? Most of the big breeders use them. I have never dealt with Troy but it is obvious to anyone reading this he is a stand up quality Herper. If I was Troy I would totally sue you for defamation of his character. But FYI to you Troy. If you had a snake I wanted, I would totally buy it from you, even after reading this guys negative feed back on you. You can't please everyone on this planet, but it seems like you are pleasing most.

Regards,
Bill R.
 
I have done shows with Troy and have known him for a few years now. I have never seen him try and pull a fast one on anyone. He has alway told his customers what they need to know..And he stands behind his animals..
The only thing we have disagreed about was the prices of his dragons.. His was to low..Now if I was a customer I would not complain about that..LOL
 
Chondros,

Whatever Troy's business model is, it seems to be working, as so far his customers' posts have all been pretty glowing. You claim that the animal origins are misrepresented, and that it matters. It seems most of this market is driven by visual coloration and health, but before you bother to explain why more than that matters, you need to post proof, not hearsay, that shows dishonesty. Otherwise, my polite advice would be to go back from whence you came.;)
 
A few years ago I purchased a male Pastel het Ghost (Ball Python) from Troy, the transaction and the communication was very good and I have no complaints and would purchase from him again.
Even better news is that this Pastel het Ghost fathered a clutch that produced two Super Pastel Ghost (SPOG's).
I trust Troy and without any hesitation I would recommend him to anyone looking for a quality animal.

Mike Derks
 
Troy are you denying that you buy wholesale from bushmaster, are you also denying that you buy from others and resale also known as a flipper? Lets be honest, everything you list for sale you didn't produce.
 
This isn't really a negative thread--all of the people who actually purchased from Frantz Herpetological have only good things to say about him. The people making allegations haven't posted a single solitary thing to back them up. The readers here are too intelligent to take posts like that at face value, so I wouldn't worry about what they say.

There's not a single scrap of actual evidence posted here that Frantz Herpetological ever misrepresented an animal. I've seen more reputable people say Frantz buys wholesale and resells the animals, but that when they do, the animals' origins aren't stated to be something other than what they were. No one cares if someone does reselling, and says so. I know I don't.

Unless you actually had a personal dealing with this company that went wrong, and/or can post PROOF of some wrongdoing, your motivations are pretty transparent, even to the dimmest bulbs. But this is what makes the BOI a good thing. If you're a liar, you get called out. It's not about attacking sellers. It's about ferreting out the truth. "Because I said so" doesn't fly here.

I've been coveting Frantz Herpetological's black pastel balls for a couple of years now, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one from them, based on the information in this thread, and their reputation in the general community.
 
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