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Bad Guy David and Danielle Dedrick AKA [email protected] - Dead Snakes

RedDevil

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I made a purchase in the amount of $1,300 with D. Dedrick back in June. All four snakes arrived dead the day after he told me they would arrive. When I opened the box I could immidiately smell that there was something dead inside, and all four snakes had already begun rigamortis. I contacted the seller minutes after their arrival and provided him with my phone number.

He started off by insinuating that I had killed the snakes myself in order to get a refund, and then went on to suggest that I might have gotten the hogs to play dead for the pictures (which they are clearly not). After getting the run around, he proceeded to tell me that I was never offered a live arrival guarantee, and that he might consider giving me hatchlings later in the year.

Hatching time came around, and it didn't look like I was going to get anywhere. Luckily Sam from GBU Enterprises knew about my problem, and when Dedrick tried to purchase snakes from him, he declined and told him he needed to fix our transaction first.

I then received a call from Dedrick, where he apologized and said he thought I was a friend of Justin Mitcham (I had already told him some time ago that I had no affiliation with Justin, but he continued to believe I did) and was "trying to screw him." He went on to say that he would never have called me if it were not for Sam, and that I owe Sam for setting the record straight with him. Eventually we decided that I would purchase an axanthic 66% het albino for $3,000, the $1,300 would be deducted from that price, and we would exchange in person at Daytona.

Neither of us could make it to Daytona, so I offered to drive out there and collect it. He then told me it was no longer for sale, and he sent me a partial refund. I was told that I would receive an additional $700 at a later date.

Not long after, I received an email stating his entire collection was for sale (including the axanthic I wanted), and that I could use the $700 as credit or just get a refund. His list said he had 1.3 extreme albinos for $800, so I inquired about those. He replied saying they were sold pending payment.

He deleted his ad from Fauna a couple of days later, and has made no new ads trying to sell anything or send me any of my refund.

I feel that I remained quite civil throughout the transaction, even after a few comments he made both over the phone and through email that were clearly meant to provoke me. I eventually contacted him to (sarcastically) inquire about his sales, and was told I was being uncivil, and that I should "grow up."

And so here we are now. I have all emails ready to be posted, and I will do so in a few minutes.
 
And here are the emails. The link to my Flickr in one of the emails was to show him all of the dead snakes, but those pictures have since been buried in new uploads. This is a more acurate link (for now, atleast).

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:38:12 PM
Subject: Hognose


Hey,

I seen your Hognose ad on KS, and was wondering if you could send me some prices for them.

Thanks,
Tommy


D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:44 PM

make me an offer on the hogs you whant.

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:56:22 PM
Subject: Re: Hognose


Would you take $1300 for the two females (het extreme and normal) and the poss. het snow pair?

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:59 PM

yes but the 28gram het extreme is on hold pending payment

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Hognose


You mean the one that layed 16 eggs (I'm assuming the 28g was a typo)? Let me know if that pans out. That was actually the main snake I wanted. I can pay cash immidiately if they don't go through.

Thanks,
Tommy

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:13 PM

sorry thought you were talking about the 28 gram femal
sounds like you are good to go
D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:25 PM

Sorry about that, I didn't even realize there was a 28g female for sale. I see the pic now. It's very nice; let me know if they back out.

Is this your PayPal address? I'll be back online tomorrow to make payment.

Thanks,
Tommy


Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:16:15 AM
Subject: Re: Hognose


Also, if I pay today (just need your PayPal address), would you be able to hold off on shipping for about a week? I'll be out of town for about 9 days starting tomorrow.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 8:30 AM

yes I can hold off on shipping but not the selling of these snakes $1300 pluse add 3% paypale Fee for the two females (100% het albino adult and
>rusty red normal) and the 1.1 adult poss. het snow pair?
, hop you understand... my PayPal address is [email protected] where will they shipp (to next day)
D.Dedrick

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:17 PM

sorry but I would like to repost the add if you don't whant them

D.Dedrick

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:29 PM

Hi, (RedDevil) I thought I new you ,If you would like I can fill you in on whats going on here..I like the red hog pic you posted in the forums a wile back


D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 5:36:21 PM
Subject: Re: Hognose


lol How'd you know that was me? I'm purchasing these on the behalf of my brother. Right now I'm paying off Brent for a 'conda het albino male and a few normal girls.

Sorry for the delay. I've been working out of town and emailing from my phone, but I lost service at 9AM today. I'm back home now, and will be sending payment now.

Thanks for the compliment on my Hog. He's been a bit of a pain as far as feeding goes, but he's coming around. Unfortunately I have to sent, but atleast he'll take tuna scented.

-Tommy

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 2:20 PM

(lol How'd you know that was me?) enter net, and you called me once. lol...will ship when you like just let me know...

D.Dedrick

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that at this point in time I had never called him, so I'm not sure who he thought I was. This was also the first email I received while I was on vacation.

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:15 PM

just checking if you got my last e-mail,,

D.Dedrick

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:38 PM

when do you what your hogs shipped

D.Dedrick

I sent the following email from my phone, right after arriving in Florida and beginning my trip home.

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:37:03 AM
Subject: Re: Hognose


Sorry, just got back in town.


You can ship them any day to:


**My address was here, but I deleted it for this post***

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 3:01 PM

your hogs are going out tomarrow..........how was the Cruz .
D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Hognose


Awesome. I'll let you know how everything is when they arrive.


What line axanthic are the poss hets? If you don't get albinos and axamthics in your clutch I'll replace the male with a 100% het, and want to make sure they are compatible.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:29 PM

BHB. if I was you,, if you have 100% male you should go that rout........ UPS Tracking Number: 1Z14W5622490991957 Track shipment at UPS.com

D.Dedrick

And here is when everything arrives dead. Note that this is the day after they were supposed to arrive.

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:32 AM

How long were these packed up? All four are DOA, and it smells as if they've been dead for awhile.


Call me
**I removed my phone number for this post**

Sent from my iPhone

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Pic
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:02 AM

Taken with my phone. I'm about to get a real camera to photograph them, though. You can't see it too good (atleast not on my phone), but the females' tubs are all soaked and had very high humidity. The male's tub was dry, though.

3636159873_22bf389385.jpg

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 4:24 PM

I figured it would be quicker to upload all the pics to my flickr. The first pics are of the dead snakes. Everything else is just a bunch of random stuff that you can ignore. I'm still uploading, so they may not all be up when you look.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7388650@N07/

Let me know if you wanted me to go take more.

I think I deleted those pics from Flickr later on, but they are definately buried if they are still up

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:47 PM

I sow the pics , no need to ship them back
D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:11 PM

Will do. I'll hold onto the bodies a bit longer just incase.

So what are we going to do about this? Is there anything that could replace them?

-Tommy

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 7:53 PM

I don't have any hogs that could replace them with. I have been selling off my collection to pay the bills since my layoff. The courier error is certainly unfortunate, I made no live arrival garuntees because there is no way to insure against it. I'm out $40.00 on the shipping and the $38.00 which was the 3% you didn't add to your paypal payment as specifically addressed in our emails . Knowing about the 3% that you didn't pay I sold them to you anyway believing it to be an oversight.also I knocked $200.00 off the lot... I have shipped all over the country for years and this is the first and only DOA. As breeders, we are all aware of the possibility of this happening and it is a risk we take. I have some eggs that are due to hatch out next month. Depending on how the hatch goes I may be able to send you some of them.



UPS and Ship Your Reptiles do not guarantee perishable items or live arrival of shipped animals, no shipping company does.



This is from the ups web site::::



Packages containing live animals must be prepared in accordance with the requirements as specifically stated herein. Packages containing live animals must provide for the basic humane care and safety of the animal during transportation. Any package containing a live animal shall be considered a perishable commodity and will be accepted for transportation solely at the shipper´s risk for any damage or loss arising from the perishable nature of the item. UPS shall not be liable for any special, incidental, or consequential damages.



D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 8:34 PM

I would have no problem accepting an equally valued amount of hatchlings whenevever they are available. Please keep me posted on what you will be hatching.

Thanks,
Tommy

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:42 PM

could you send me an email I think i blocked you
on aksident lol
D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hognose
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 12:11 PM

Sure. I never sent any emails after that one, though.

-Tommy

Nearly a month later...

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:46:43 PM
Subject:


Just checking up to see if any Hogs started to pip yet.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:01 AM

Every thing here has hatched whating on my last 0f 4 from Purple line het albinos to hatch, only 9 eggs it was here first time. I saw you did well on the forums, the pic's you posted. O that pair was dubl het snow, what a whast.

>>>>>I would have no problem accepting an equally valued amount of hatchlings whenevever they are available. Please keep me posted on what you will be hatching.

First of all I made no live arrival guarantees because
> there is no way to insure against it.

2nd. I said,,, this is the olive branch part that I was extending to you Because of your loss... Depending on how the hatch
> goes I may be able to send you some of them.
...... be happy for what you get!!!

P.s don't let Justin scru you to death he is my cuzen so I now, he got me good

And if you ever hatch something mindblowing DON’T show or tell any one untill you have TOTLE control of It, then Trade for the top morphs. Wish some would have told me That.




D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:10 AM

I'm just hoping I don't get stuck with $100 worth of Hogs, while spending over a grand. While you may not have offered me a live arrival guarantee, you never specified that there wasn't one (which is normally how it goes). Had you so much as implied that, I would never have sent you a dime.

-Tommy

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:22 PM

Any updates?

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re:
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:45 PM

Every thing is almost feeding. the possible hets will not eat on there own they suck. How many het's and albinos do you think you should get for not getting a live arrival guaranty.

And assuming that we are responsible for your lack of planing and not giveing you a live arrival guaranty…. I’m just asking because you said you didn't want to get stuck with 100.00 worth of hogs,after

I generously offered to get something to you for your loss

so please let me now what is fare so you will be happy.


Danielle Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:51 PM

My lack of planning? I don't even know what that is trying to imply.


Let me think about it. I don't want to accidentally ask for too much.


Did you hatch any snows? Just wondering; not expecting anything like that.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:14 PM

you might want to speak up soon I will put the hogs on kingsnak soon.......let me now.


Danielle Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:19:35 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:


What exactly did you hatch out? Will you be in Daytona?


If you had something I needed that was worth more than I sent you (such as the snow, or an axanthic poss het albino), I was going to try working out a deal. Such as you send it to a third party, and then I pay you the difference, or we can meet up and exchange cash/snakes in person.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:27 PM

you Tell justin to smile like a donut for me lol...

Danielle Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:40 PM

You lost me on that one...

Sent from my iPhone

iPhone touchscreen kind of ruined that first sentence on me. lol

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:10 PM

It you aren't interested in ghat deal, so I'd like a female albino and normal from the DH snow clutch.


If you change your mind I'd be interested in adding cash and getting an axanthic poss het albino of either sex, or maybe a snow (male only).

Sent from my iPhone

It was around this time that I contacted Sam from GBU Enterprises asking about a triple het (PPA Axanthic Hypo) pair of Hognose snakes he was going to be hatching next year. During our conversation we ended up talking about my deal with Mr. Dedrick. Well a few days later Dedrick calls Sam looking to buy some Hogs. Sam tells him he will not sell until he gets things right with me, so Dedrick calls me up, apologizes for everything, and says he thought I was one of Justin's friends trying to screw him around. We then worked out a deal that I would purchase the axanthic 66% het albino male he hatched out for $3,000, and that the $1,300 I spent would be used as credit. We were going to meet up at Daytona and exchange in person.

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:05 PM

she is 147.5 grams eating F/T I'm thinking about selling or trading ,what do you think I should ask for her?
D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:08 PM

Looks like I won't be able to make it to Daytona. I do have the cash, though, so maybe when you guys are passing through we can meet up somewhere and exchange.


Our shop with my hogs is right off of I12, so if you happen to be on that road you can stop by and see the little that I have in right now. Lol

Sent from my iPhone

Tommy Benacso said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:16 PM

She's pretty nice! No clue what an extreme red het albino breeder would sell for. I payed around $500-600 for my normal hets if that helps any. I'd have to guess $800-900 since the extreme hets are usually about 50% more in price than a normal het.


I'd make an offer, but right now I'm paying off another group of Hogs.


1.1 albino
2.2 het albino
0.2 normal


All breeders, and the normals are 300-500 grams. The seller wouldn't be too happy if they found out I "bought" that axanthic in full while still paying him off, but it's not like I have much of a choice. Get it now, or risk shipping again.


Feel free to cool her and send her over for my extreme male, though! Lol

Sent from my iPhone

We talked over the phone sometime after that, and he told me that he was no longer going to Daytona, and that the axanthic male was no longer for sale

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:40 AM

I'm getting out of snakes want some lol, you still have 700.00 credit or i will pay you after I sell my colection

1.0 Anry 66% snow f/t pinky 2009

1.0 albino 66% snow f/t pinky 2009

0.3 66% snow pinky pump the bigest one eats hot dog sent f/t 2009

1.0 66% snow hot dog sent f/t 2009

2.0 Purple Line Extreme het albino sub adult 2008

1.3 Extreme red albinos f/t pinky 2009

6.0 09 Extreme Sulfer Lav's f/t 2009

0.5 09 Extreme Sulfer Lav's f/t 2009

1.0 adult dad brooks breading this year 2008

0.1 adult mom brooks first breading this year
2008

0.1 Creemmyy Normal adult hog first year- dudes 2008

0.1 Extreme Red Het albino Purple Line adult femal 147.5 g 2008 not been bread yet
below is link to pics


http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/ddedrick_2007/FOR SALE/?start=all


D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:53:05 AM
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight


Now you want to sell the anery... Lol


Shoot over some prices and we'll see.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 2:21 PM

I will consider any REASONABLE offers on the group, (Group offers will take priority until 8am central Monday 8/17/09, so if you are interested in the whole group make an offer!) This e-mail is going out to 70+ contacts that have requested this list, so I appologize if this email is not covering your specific question, or addressing purchase of individual snakes.Thanks for your patience! I'm answering e-mails as fast as I can. The collection asking price is $10K. If no reasonable offers are recieved by Monday morning snakes will be sold individually or in small groups per request. I look forward to hearing your offers.

1.0 Anry 66% snow f/t pinky 2009 $3k

1.0 albino 66% snow f/t pinky 2009 $2k

0.3 66% snow pinky pump the bigest one eats hot dog sent f/t 2009 $250.00

1.0 66% snow hot dog sent f/t 2009 $100.00

2.0 Purple Line Extreme het albino sub adult 2008 $600.00

1.3 Extreme red albinos f/t pinky 2009 $800.00

6.0 09 Extreme Sulfer Lav's f/t 2009 $600.00

0.5 09 Extreme Sulfer Lav's f/t 2009 $600.00

1.0 adult dad brooks breading this year 2008 $100.00

0.1 adult mom brooks first breading this year $150.00
2008

0.1 Creammmy Normal adult hog first year- duds 2008 $300.00

0.1 Extreme Red Het albino Purple Line adult femal 147.5 g 2008 not been bread yet
below is link to pics $1.500.00


http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/ddedrick_2007/FOR SALE/?start=all

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:45:17 PM
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight

Are the prices listed group prices or individual?

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 12:34 AM

group prices

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:14:29 AM
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight


Well, if you will guarantee live arrival, I'll take the extreme red group.

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:25 PM

Sorry, sale is pending, but thank for your interest.

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 11:07 AM

That's fine. I'll just take the refund then.

Sent from my iPhone

His ad here on Fauna was deleted soon after this, and never reposted anywhere

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 12:14 PM

So how are the sales going?


Thanks,
Tommy

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:34 AM

crappy..lol

D.Dedrick

Naturally I did not find it quite as funny as he did, but chose to ignore it for the time being

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:03:22 PM
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight


So did those extremes sell? If not I'd still be open to taking them as the remainder of the payment (and I'd throw in the extra $100 after they arrived). If they did sell, then I'd appreciate the remainder of my money since that lot easily covers it.


Thanks,
Tommy

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 11:26 PM

I discounted all the snakes for a group sale exsept 3 main hogs, The prices will go up if now one gets the group.

D.Dedrick

I apparently misunderstood his pricing. I thought he only wanted $800 if you took all of the albinos, but he was only charging $800 if you took the entire collection. Now I know better

I let a little more time go by in hopes that he would relist the ad so I could be refunded. When he made no further attempts to sell the collection, I got a bit annoyed and sent a sarcastic email.


Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EX-Red 100% het Albino pic's weight
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 2:27 PM

Are you going to atleast put some ads up? I'm no business expert or anything, but I think people knowing they are for sale might help your sales a bit.

Thanks,
Tommy

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: very Quit
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:27 AM

Just got my computer back, fixed now,I thought I was going to Die with out the Internet. checked my e-mails ,I am so happy, and look a smart ASS e-mail,from you , lol. I thought it was very Quit..... a word to the wise! honey will get you further then vinegar will.

D.Dedrick

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
To: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:01:48 AM
Subject: Re: very Quit


Really? Because I've been more than patient so far, and it hasn't gotten me very far..


You want honey? Let's see how much 'honey' you get when it goes to the BOI. I'm tired of the games. I'll give you another 30 days, and that's it.


Thanks,
Tommy

Sent from my iPhone

D. Dedrick said:
From: Danielle Dedrick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: very Quit
To: "Tommy Benasco" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:52 AM



lol, here is the link to the BOI,((WHY STOP THERE,Hell call your attorney wile your at it. lol)) I have all your e-mails, and the ones that you try ed to break up. (In Order).
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13 when you become more civil with your e-mails,we will resume communications. if some one owes you a dollar, you can't expect them to pay you back with there house because that is the only thing you need for your collection lol. GROW UP. .((( RETAIL PRICES))) not LOW BALL OFFERS.



D.Dedrick

When messages get too long, my phone asks if I would like to download the entire message. I always choose not to in order to keep the email sizes smaller. Apparently he took this as an attempt to hide our past emails. Either that or the couple of times I replied to an old email on accident because I could not find the most recent ones. Sometimes Yahoo will find old emails and searches but not new, so I just choose the newest one the search finds.

Tommy Benasco said:
From: Tommy Benasco <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: very Quit
To: "Danielle Dedrick" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 12:22 PM

Tried to break up? That's funny.


No uncivil emails or lowball offers here. Had your ad not stated $800, I'd have never offered that.


Don't worry, I have every email from both of us, and I'm glad you do too. Feel free to do me the favor of posting them. No need to wait 30 days for the thread if you don't want to.


Thanks,
Tommy
 
No live arrival guarantee means no live arrival guarantee. If the terms are not available for you to read and clearly understand - its on you to ask about it and clarify it. Then you have to get it in writing, and even then you still have to hope that the seller will actually stand behind his terms of sale.

I feel for you - but you got a partial refund which a whole lot more than most get in such similar circumstances.

Crap game.
 
i agree. live arrival garuntee and TOS should have been requested and at least brought up. I would be happy that i got the 700 and drop it. Chock this up to a learning experience. Always ask about TOS
 
No live arrival guarantee means no live arrival guarantee. If the terms are not available for you to read and clearly understand - its on you to ask about it and clarify it. Then you have to get it in writing, and even then you still have to hope that the seller will actually stand behind his terms of sale.

I feel for you - but you got a partial refund which a whole lot more than most get in such similar circumstances.

Crap game.


I completely agree; I should have made sure before exchanging money. I'm beyond expecting anything from them. Just putting it out there as a warning.

Especially since the snakes were already starting to smell and become hardened by the time they arrived. These are my first DOAs, but I still find it kind of odd that they would begin to decompose from an overnight trip from Texas to Louisiana.
 
if the heat was extreme enough (which if its hot outside it is 10 times hotter inside one of those trucks) it can greatly speed up decomposition. so it is quite possible they died during shipping and began rotting due to heat.
 
These are my first DOAs, but I still find it kind of odd that they would begin to decompose from an overnight trip from Texas to Louisiana.

Is it possible he shipped you dead snakes? Sure, though I'd not like to think so ugly of people that would do such. But has it been done? I;d have to say yes.

Is it possible that due to his layoff that the animals were in less than healthy condition and the slightest stress enough to do them in? Absolutely.

But that's another thing to seriously consider before entering into a transaction. Reputation.

And why is the person selling the animal to begin with? Its a fair question to ask. If the person says: "I'm unemployed and need the money to pay bills", what do you think the chances are that he is feeding his animals in front of himself? Not very good.

Thank you for the warning and I do hope you have much better success on your next deal(s).
 
I can say that Tommy Benasco is one of the most honorable people I've dealt with.

I've had several transactions with Tommy and he's always exceeded my expectations of him as a buyer.

This Dedrick family is scum.

Whoever buys those snakes that they are trying to unload could suffer the same fate as the OP here.

BUYER BEWARE--

(Dedricks seem easy to spot by their "unique advertising techniques")
 
The UPS delivered a day late, so the seller should have recouped that loss. I believe it is against PayPal's terms for him to charge you their 3% in addition to sale price, so it's interesting that he expects you to follow his invisible TOS when he's clearly not following PayPal's.
Regardless, He said he would make it right and didn't, his word is not to be trusted.
"NO live arrival guarantee" = run like HELL.
 
All four snakes arrived dead the day after he told me they would arrive.

So, when were the snakes actually shipped versus when they arrived? Did they actually take 2 days to ship arrive at your destination from when they were shipped? What was the date of acceptance on the label of the packaged? Were the package even shipped as an overnight package? According to the emails that you posted as I understand them, David said on June 15 that he was going to ship the snakes on June 16 and you said you got them 2 days later, so you received the snakes on June 18?

Being that Ship Your Reptiles/UPS was mentioned as the means of shipping, was Ship Your Reptiles ever notified of this problem if the package did arrive an extra day later than it was supposed to? I would think they would have been the second place I would have called after talking to David to at least try and recoup any losses although they are not liable for any such problem.

When I opened the box I could immidiately smell that there was something dead inside, and all four snakes had already begun rigamortis. I contacted the seller minutes after their arrival and provided him with my phone number.

What was the current temperatures during the time of transit from Texas to Louisiana? If it was hot, were there cool packs placed in the packaging to help keep the snakes cool? If it were too hot in either place, David should have never shipped them in those types of conditions nor should you have wanted to accept snakes in that kind of heat. Actually, I decided to look up the temperature history of both Orange, Texas (the last address I have on record of David's residence) and Slidell, Louisiana (where it says you are from) and according to Wunderground.com, it got up to 90f degrees in Orange, Texas on June 16, the day of shipping and by June 18 in Slidell, it was 97f degrees. In my opinion, this was just too hot to ship without including proper cool packs. And if the snakes got held up an extra day somewhere, who knows what kind of heat they were exposed to.

I would also like to point out the picture of the dead snake being pulled out of what looks like a small ziplock container for the size of the hognose. How cramped were these snakes in the containers and just how many airholes were there. If the snakes got hot and were cramped in too small of a container, I would hypothesize that they could have easily have overheated as well not being able to stretch out and thermoregulate as they might have had they been put in a larger container or bag. :shrug01:

He started off by insinuating that I had killed the snakes myself in order to get a refund, and then went on to suggest that I might have gotten the hogs to play dead for the pictures (which they are clearly not).

After getting the run around, he proceeded to tell me that I was never offered a live arrival guarantee, and that he might consider giving me hatchlings later in the year.

No live arrival guarantee means no live arrival guarantee. If the terms are not available for you to read and clearly understand - its on you to ask about it and clarify it. Then you have to get it in writing, and even then you still have to hope that the seller will actually stand behind his terms of sale.

I agree with Chuck partially on this, but if the snakes were not properly packaged considering the high temperatures and with no cool packs, then I believe the liability lies with David. After all, the deal is, you are paying money to receive live snakes. If the seller isn't doing everything he can to ensure their safe arrival, then he is at fault.

Now as a hypothetical, if he packaged them to the best of his ability and made every effort to ensure their safe arrival and they still died in transit, like the delivery truck broke down en route (which might have caused their being delayed by a day) in the hottest part of the region, then I don't believe that the seller should be held liable for their not surviving the trip.

Hatching time came around, and it didn't look like I was going to get anywhere. Luckily Sam from GBU Enterprises knew about my problem, and when Dedrick tried to purchase snakes from him, he declined and told him he needed to fix our transaction first.

Now was the original ad you responded to one of David's "getting out of snakes" ads? If so, I find that interesting if he's claiming to be selling off his snakes because of his unemployment and yet calling Sam to purchase more snakes. Please inform me if I'm wrong in my understanding of this. Either way, it's not the first time David has posted ads under the false pretense of getting out of snakes or just hognose. I was kind of a victim in his "hurricane/getting out of hognose" sale which I'll divulge a little later in this thread.

Eventually we decided that I would purchase an axanthic 66% het albino for $3,000, the $1,300 would be deducted from that price, and we would exchange in person at Daytona.

This whole thing just seems really really bizarre to me. You spend $1300 with a guy who sends you snakes that arrive dead and gives you a bunch of lip service about how he offered you no "live arrival guarantee" therefore isn't willing to make it right and yet you are willing to give him an extra $1700 for a replacement snake? While I do not know you or how long you've been doing these types of transactions, it just seems like a rookie move to me to give this guy more money for a possible het. Obviously the emails you exchanged with him should have shown his true character of not wanting to make the dead snake transaction right by you. So why would you trust his word on somethings non-visible genetics? If I were in that position, I would have held out for any kind of refund I could have gotten out of David and tried my best to forget ever having dealt with him.

Not long after, I received an email stating his entire collection was for sale (including the axanthic I wanted), and that I could use the $700 as credit or just get a refund. His list said he had 1.3 extreme albinos for $800, so I inquired about those. He replied saying they were sold pending payment.

I love it how everything you keep trying to apply your "credit" towards is always "sold". Doesn't that seem rather suspicious to you as it does to me? I'd be willing to bet that were you to have offered to pay him cash for those animals that they would have been available.

He deleted his ad from Fauna a couple of days later, and has made no new ads trying to sell anything or send me any of my refund.

Was this the ad that I brought up my purchase from David which turned into a verbal war between Justin and I? If so, I saved that whole thread on my computer and can verify that it did indeed state it was David's "getting out of snakes" ad.

I feel that I remained quite civil throughout the transaction, even after a few comments he made both over the phone and through email that were clearly meant to provoke me. I eventually contacted him to (sarcastically) inquire about his sales, and was told I was being uncivil, and that I should "grow up."

Well, I'm sorry that you went through all of this crap and I feel horrible for the poor snakes that had to suffer and die.

I hope out of all of this you have learned some important lessons. The primary one being to ensure that the seller is making every effort to package the animals properly to ensure their live arrival and have a documented agreement regarding any contingencies should they happen.

The other lesson to be learned is how to comprehend when someone is screwing you around and knowing when to cut your losses.

While I will give David some credit for at least refunding you part of your money, he obviously had no intention of refunding the rest despite what he told you. Imagine if you had doled out more money for hets or possible hets that never proved out? After all, possible hets are a gamble anyways and you definitely have no recourse should they not prove out, but with someone like David, can you really take his word for it that these genetics are even possible of being present? By the time you probably would figure out if the genetics for a het or possible het prove out or not, your money and any recourse is long gone. Something worthwhile to think about when dealing with someone you don't know or trust.
 
It's sad that no-one listened on my 1st post about David.

This guy is my 1st cousin (MOM's sister son). As children we were pretty close..but David suffered a lot of crap as a child , didn't do well in school..etc.. It took it's toll on him and he later in life became very paranoid almost schizo. he's been fired from almost every job he has ever had and seems to blame everyone else for his problems..

Several years ago after living on the streets etc.. I tried to help him out.. he repaid me by breaking into my house I guess to steal my animals. (If this guy has your address be carefull!!)
He later got married and supposedly changed and in his words "grew up" I forgave him like an idiot and tried to help him by sending him large quantities of snakes for him to breed and us to split. We were to share in the babies and I considered most of the animals 1/2 mine if not 3/4 mine in some cases.
Well the 1st year comes and goes and he totally screws up with the animals and doesn't produce a thing..then starts blaming everyone and everything for it..even me..
next thing I know he calls me up says I need to buy out his half...or he will sell them to people I don't want to have them..a cat 4 hurricane hits Orange Tx making things worse(can't remember if it hit before or after his threat maybe before). I sell some animals and part out some projects and raised 10k to "bail him out" he then refuses to sell me my own darn snakes... he tries selling them to other breeders causing a lot of problems between me and other hog breeders...in the end I hired a very expensive attorney and things after which went my way!!
This is my personal experience with David...
he is a liar
cheat
theif
 
a few days later Dedrick calls Sam looking to buy some Hogs. Sam tells him he will not sell until he gets things right with me

I wonder if this is the same Sam who sold me a 2000.00 red albino that mysteriously died before ship...told me he spent my money and couldn't send it back... and all I got were animals I didn't order...some of which were sick that died etc.. like tricolors hogs ... wonder if thats the same Sam..I think I got maybe 1600 back after I sold some of them that lived...must not be!!
 
NOT to HOG the thread...but about the live arrival guarantee..

This is my perspective and I think it maybe backed up by law..

When you sell an item and there are no terms listed,even if live there are things that are implied..
for example if you offer an item for sale terms or not isn't there a bit in the Fair Trade Act that discusses "implied" guarantee's ...for example listing an item for sale with no guarantee's implies that you can safley and reasonably after sale provide the product to the buyer in the same condition it was advertised in?? i.e. as in being alive..
Also if you knowingly , cannot reasonably guarantee and/or?? provide an animals safe transport isn't that in essence violation of animal rights laws..

So by nature I don't think that "Live Arrival not Guaranteed" isn't acceptable or even legal!
With this being said what do you guy think is right here?
 
Where's that scumbag Dedrick? He's been here and read the thread.

Whatchu got to say, schizo-scum?

the voices in your head should be telling you to REFUND THE MONEY.
 
First of all I do not know either parties involved here. But in my opinion I think the buyer is owed a full refund.

As sellers, we should be the ones taking the risk during shipping. We are the ones making the profits, not the buyer.

The buyer purchased a live animal. It is the seller's responsibility to get that animal to the buyer safely and in a timely manner. I think it is ridiculous when I see people posting ads that say "not responsible for courier mistakes".

I think there is one positive thing that is going to come from this and that is that this piece of shit, (Dedrick), is getting out of the industry.

I hope that everyone reads this thread and realizes that they need to ask the seller for the live arrival guarantee in writing before purchasing anything. Then maybe, just maybe these type of people wont be able to sell a damn snake in this hobby and get the hell out of it!

That is my two cents on this thread.

Paul Wyble at Steel City Exotics.

PS. Justin Mitcham I have seen you posted on here and are following this thread will you please contact me ASAP. Thank you. [email protected]
 
Its a shame those snakes had to die that way :(

As sellers we have to deliver a live healthy reptile.

The buyer here is due a total and complete refund....no less.
 
hey bro !!
Man tried that email address and eventually gave up. Hope everything is ok ..my mails maybe going to your spam folder or somthin..my number is on the site in case you don't get my email or would prefer to call.
 
So, when were the snakes actually shipped versus when they arrived? Did they actually take 2 days to ship arrive at your destination from when they were shipped? What was the date of acceptance on the label of the packaged? Were the package even shipped as an overnight package? According to the emails that you posted as I understand them, David said on June 15 that he was going to ship the snakes on June 16 and you said you got them 2 days later, so you received the snakes on June 18?

I may have phrased that wrong. I believe they arrived on the 17th, after I was told the 16th. I have the box at work still, so I will check the acceptance date for you as soon as I get a chance.

Rextiles said:
Being that Ship Your Reptiles/UPS was mentioned as the means of shipping, was Ship Your Reptiles ever notified of this problem if the package did arrive an extra day later than it was supposed to? I would think they would have been the second place I would have called after talking to David to at least try and recoup any losses although they are not liable for any such problem.

At first I did not realize he shipped through them, and by the time I found out I was a bit distraught over it and hadn't even thought of contacting them.

Rextiles said:
I would also like to point out the picture of the dead snake being pulled out of what looks like a small ziplock container for the size of the hognose. How cramped were these snakes in the containers and just how many airholes were there. If the snakes got hot and were cramped in too small of a container, I would hypothesize that they could have easily have overheated as well not being able to stretch out and thermoregulate as they might have had they been put in a larger container or bag. :shrug01:

The females were pretty cramped (especially the larger one). The male was relatively small, though, so the tub was a bit more roomy. There were about three holes put in each side of the containers.

Here is the large female in the tub:

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Rextiles said:
Now was the original ad you responded to one of David's "getting out of snakes" ads? If so, I find that interesting if he's claiming to be selling off his snakes because of his unemployment and yet calling Sam to purchase more snakes. Please inform me if I'm wrong in my understanding of this. Either way, it's not the first time David has posted ads under the false pretense of getting out of snakes or just hognose. I was kind of a victim in his "hurricane/getting out of hognose" sale which I'll divulge a little later in this thread.

No, his original ad was just for the animals involved in this purchase. After he agreed to sell me the anery and deduct the $1,300, he backed out on it and then decided to list his entire collection (including the anery) just a day or two later.


Rextiles said:
This whole thing just seems really really bizarre to me. You spend $1300 with a guy who sends you snakes that arrive dead and gives you a bunch of lip service about how he offered you no "live arrival guarantee" therefore isn't willing to make it right and yet you are willing to give him an extra $1700 for a replacement snake? While I do not know you or how long you've been doing these types of transactions, it just seems like a rookie move to me to give this guy more money for a possible het. Obviously the emails you exchanged with him should have shown his true character of not wanting to make the dead snake transaction right by you. So why would you trust his word on somethings non-visible genetics? If I were in that position, I would have held out for any kind of refund I could have gotten out of David and tried my best to forget ever having dealt with him.

The cash and snake were to be exhanged in person. At the time, the only anerys I could find for sale were around $3,000 anyway, so by taking the deal it would have essentially been the same as me getting a full refund since I planned on buying an anery regardless.


Rextiles said:
I love it how everything you keep trying to apply your "credit" towards is always "sold". Doesn't that seem rather suspicious to you as it does to me? I'd be willing to bet that were you to have offered to pay him cash for those animals that they would have been available.

That's pretty much what I was thinking when it happened. And then he told me I was lowballing him for trying to get the albinos for the price he had them listed at...


Rextiles said:
Was this the ad that I brought up my purchase from David which turned into a verbal war between Justin and I? If so, I saved that whole thread on my computer and can verify that it did indeed state it was David's "getting out of snakes" ad.

That ad was him "attempting" to get money for the second portion of my refund. He told me I would get it after the collection was sold, which is why I got a bit aggrevated when he took the ad down and never placed any more.


Rextiles said:
Well, I'm sorry that you went through all of this crap and I feel horrible for the poor snakes that had to suffer and die.

I hope out of all of this you have learned some important lessons. The primary one being to ensure that the seller is making every effort to package the animals properly to ensure their live arrival and have a documented agreement regarding any contingencies should they happen.

The other lesson to be learned is how to comprehend when someone is screwing you around and knowing when to cut your losses.

While I will give David some credit for at least refunding you part of your money, he obviously had no intention of refunding the rest despite what he told you. Imagine if you had doled out more money for hets or possible hets that never proved out? After all, possible hets are a gamble anyways and you definitely have no recourse should they not prove out, but with someone like David, can you really take his word for it that these genetics are even possible of being present? By the time you probably would figure out if the genetics for a het or possible het prove out or not, your money and any recourse is long gone. Something worthwhile to think about when dealing with someone you don't know or trust.

Lesson learned. After buying so much online, I took it for granted that live arrival was guaranteed. I used to ask before any purchase, but got a bit too lax about it over time. It also didn't help that I seen his posts pretty regularly on the KS forums, which is the only reason I ignored how he formats his ads and emails. I typically avoid people that make no attempt at writing full sentences (not that my grammar is too good either, to be honest :eek:).
 
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