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Bad Guy Josh M Braeden. this guy is a scammer(beware)

I'm not against the legal taking and the responsible means of taking animals from the wild. But I think there is something morally wrong and really irresponsible with stomping around and taking large quantities of any animal from the wild to sell for a profit or to trade for such things that you simply cant afford. I also think its wrong to support it by purchasing from others who do it.

Is there anyone who would disagree that we put an awful lot of pressure on wildlife already just in general - without the need to collect them for profit or trade - or to disturb their nests and rob their eggs?

That is exactly what has occurred here. Wasn't even denied.

Once upon a time I had a revelation. I was hunting newts for a display tank I built for my daughter. I was thick in a swampy area and I heard a voice behind me. That voice came from that of a park ranger. He asked me to back out the same way I had come in, tracing my steps, step for step. It was then he explained I was within my right to scour for newts and collect a few for my personal purposes. But in that process I had killed a certain plant/moss when I had stepped on it in my quest. I forget how long he told me the stuff took to grow, but I recall it sounded like forever. And that probably it would never bounce back or at least not that I could be able to see in my lifetime. And forget about the list of micro organisms he rattled off that also depended on that stuff and perished under my foot print.

I did a lot of damage that day just for a few free newts. Even though it was my right I couldn't help but to feel so completely irresponsible. No way was I going to try to reconcile that with myself by saying others do it and have done it so why should I feel bad about it. I had to be responsible for me with the knowledge I was armed with.

You want to make excuses for yourself because it gets you what you want? go right ahead.
 
kylemillsap said:
Chuck , you are just asking for trouble. Many people might consider discussing this sort of thing in person. That might not turn out well for you!
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From the many people here you mean?

Please, save your breathe, I get better runs in my shorts than some of the stains that lurk this place.

You want to see proof?
 
critical bill said:
I'm not against the legal taking and the responsible means of taking animals from the wild. But I think there is something morally wrong and really irresponsible with stomping around and taking large quantities of any animal from the wild to sell for a profit or to trade for such things that you simply cant afford. I also think its wrong to support it by purchasing from others who do it.
Is there anyone who would disagree that we put an awful lot of pressure on wildlife already just in general - without the need to collect them for profit or trade - or to disturb their nests and rob their eggs?

That is exactly what has occurred here. Wasn't even denied.

Once upon a time I had a revelation. I was hunting newts for a display tank I built for my daughter. I was thick in a swampy area and I heard a voice behind me. That voice came from that of a park ranger. He asked me to back out the same way I had come in, tracing my steps, step for step. It was then he explained I was within my right to scour for newts and collect a few for my personal purposes. But in that process I had killed a certain plant/moss when I had stepped on it in my quest. I forget how long he told me the stuff took to grow, but I recall it sounded like forever. And that probably it would never bounce back or at least not that I could be able to see in my lifetime. And forget about the list of micro organisms he rattled off that also depended on that stuff and perished under my foot print.

I did a lot of damage that day just for a few free newts. Even though it was my right I couldn't help but to feel so completely irresponsible. No way was I going to try to reconcile that with myself by saying others do it and have done it so why should I feel bad about it. I had to be responsible for me with the knowledge I was armed with.

You want to make excuses for yourself because it gets you what you want? go right ahead.
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Amen Bro!:thumbsup:

Randal Berry
 
I have an idea, and I can't see any reason that is shouldn't satisfy everyone. Why don't ya'll:

1. Start a thread about the legal and illegal collection of wildlife, and base everything that you put on there on hard fact - not speculation.
2. How about if we use this thread to address whether or not the accused is a bad guy as he is accused of being. (You know - what this part of fauna is meant for.)

I know. I know. I am brilliant. Who would have ever thought of such a thing?

Eric Briscoe
 
Chuck , I just meant people in general.
I agree that the collection of animals to turn around and sell is totally different than catching a few to breed and sell the offspring. I just think the message could be given in a more positive light.
I'm sure that Ranger did not threaten you with contacting the police and making your life a nightmare, but you seem to have gotten the message just the same. You seem to have good intentions but bad execution. Pass your good karma on to someone who can use it! This guy hasn't yet learned the lesson you did, doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy.
 
Briscoe007 said:
2. How about if we use this thread to address whether or not the accused is a bad guy as he is accused of being. (You know - what this part of fauna is meant for.)
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He didn't ship his end of the deal and I think he's a bad guy for it. In the process I also discovered that the one making the complaint is also a bad guy in his own way.

Mark and Joshua are on a plane and arguing who is the bigger scumbag in their deal. Both are kicked out of the back of the plane. Neither has a parachute. Joshua is heavier because his pockets are full of Marks salamanders. Mark is lighter because he didn't get his end of the deal from Joshua. Who hits the ground first?

Who cares?

But do the salamanders make it?

So, in other words....I don't really care about you or much less your interpretation of what you think this thread was intended for - or what this part of fauna was meant for in your opinion - or how highly you think of yourself.

My concern was and is for the animals, and that is where I made my stand.
 
I'm not against the legal taking and the responsible means of taking animals from the wild. But I think there is something morally wrong and really irresponsible with stomping around and taking large quantities of any animal from the wild to sell for a profit or to trade for such things that you simply cant afford. I also think its wrong to support it by purchasing from others who do it.

.... My concern was and is for the animals, and that is where I made my stand
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Absofrickinlutely! It's called karma and each of these 2 morons is getting a little taste. Well said, Chuck.
 
Chuck

Are you sure that I am the one who thinks to highly of himself. You are the one righting novels - still without having presented any kind of evidence. I think that when I accuse someone of something that I need evidence to back it up.

You seem to think that because you said it is so that it is, and that your "morals" should be the thing that guides what other people do.
 
My last post went in before it was done due to storms and power issues here.

Chuck,

1. Obviously you do care a little bit what I think or you would not continue to respond to me post even those that are not directly related to you.

2. Are you sure that I am the one who thinks to highly of himself. You seem to expect everyone to agree with you even though you have yet to provide any kind of concrete evidence or firsthand knowledge of your accusations. Whats more is that you keep trying to bully anyone who questions your tactics with statements like, "Seriously, don't be in such a hurry for me to get to you. I'll deal with you and your interpretation of the truth later, and I really don't care ...about what you think."

I bet your one of those guys who shoots people the finger while driving down the road and feels tough from the safety of your vehicle but would be scared out of his mind if you got stuck in traffic beside the guy that you just shot the finger at.

Just a hunch -
 
Chuck , it appears this thread is now ALL ABOUT YOU. Why so aggressive? I make a comment about how the world works and you get defensive. I even said I agree with you. But you have some serious social issues. Try and focus and maybe you can impart some of your obviously abundant knowledge without sounding like such a douchebag.
 
kylemillsap said:
Yo Chuck .You want to start shit with me now too?
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I'm not keeping score or anything but that's twice you've used profanity in this thread. Your not going to get tobasco sauce on your tongue for it, but try to remember that its against the rules and disrespectful to other members that does include a young audience.
 
Kyle

PAUL EDWARDS IS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN BEING. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH HIM.
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Throw me a bone here ... how is that statement relevent to this thread?
Yo Chuck .You want to start shit with me now too?
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Try and focus and maybe you can impart some of your obviously abundant knowledge without sounding like such a douchebag.
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And how is that any different than what you are complaining Chuck is doing?

Let's stay on topic, guys. Lose the 'tude.
 
critical bill said:
I'm not keeping score or anything but that's twice you've used profanity in this thread. Your not going to get tobasco sauce on your tongue for it, but try to remember that its against the rules and disrespectful to other members that does include a young audience.
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its funny how you bring up that what they did was disrespectful and against the rules when you are guilty of both. the following "rules of the BOI" that you have broken are as stated: actual or implied threats(you have threatened me with the law and my job with no facts), maliciously destructive off topic posting( most of this thread is off topic, because of you), overly abusive towards other members( obviously). Im not trying to stir the pot and I was trying to stay out of more argueing, but I have seen the mods here stop far less rediculous post than this, but Im getting tired of my name being run into the ground, when I have done nothing wrong. I bought some salamanders(yes, maybe I should have thought about it) made a deal and got burned and NOW I get told Im just as bad of a scumbag as the scammer. I dont understand why Im catching so much heat. well, i guess its a lesson learned in life.
 
cobraman1 said:
Im not trying to stir the pot and I was trying to stay out of more argueing, but I have seen the mods here stop far less rediculous post than this, but Im getting tired of my name being run into the ground
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Now hold on just a minute...I did essentially shut this thing down a few days ago - including temporarily banning a few people that jumped in with off topic comments after I issued my warning - but you chose to jump back in again. We aren't going to protect you from yourself, and if you think you can continue the fight while other people get smacked for their participation, you are mistaken.

It's too bad that Josh didn't opt to comment here, but people will consider that piece of information for themselves...and most people will probably avoid dealing with him as a result. That is at least a part of the reason you posted here - consider that goal met, and move on...the rest of this will die off soon enough.
 
cobraman1 said:
I have done nothing wrong. I bought some salamanders(yes, maybe I should have thought about it)
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You say you didn't do anything wrong, but then you go on to say you should have thought about what you were doing before you did it. So basically you have a feeling that you know what you did was wrong. But you want so bad to be right that you have to write "I have done nothing wrong" just to make yourself feel better about what you know you did was wrong.

I understand perfectly.

So now......

What about the salamander egg masses that you collected and sold to John over at Caudata? Not only did you disturb an egg nest just to make a fast buck but you didn't even know what the hell you were collecting and selling. I mean you tried to make it sound like you knew what you were doing, but in reality you didn't. But I think what you did know is that you had a customer on the hook, and just what you needed to say to reel that sucker in.

I guess you'll maintain that you didn't do anything wrong there either.

But I understand.
 
Geez Chuck, just because someone does a bad thing does not necessarily make them a bad person. Take Catholic priests for example.....
 
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