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Bad Guy Kingsnake.com/Jeff Barringer/ Bad business!! Legal?

Well.....

MikeCurtin said:
One thing I feel is very important to address is the matter of credibility. Sure, we can attack Rick/Barry all day, but it's important for the readers to know why. Many here are not huge fans of KS.com, but Rich came here with a complaint, and posted publicly. If he turns out to be lying about his very identity, his entire account of what happened and why is suspect, and can be taken with a grain of salt.
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Mike,

I will do what I can to get some sort of ID posted up for Rich but I can't force him to do that. I work with high end turtles and tortoises and I'm not on here to argue with you guys. I'm married, 3 kids, self employed and don't have much energy to spend on arguing about whether someone is real or not. You need to realize that on the flip side, I'm totally worn out from trying to validate & defend from some of the wolves on here. I understand everyone want's "proof", but in this case all everyone has done is scare a newbie with all this.

I talked to him from home yesterday and told him to get online and say something from HIS house which he did. As for different logon times, I would logon almost every 5 min yesterday because I kept getting an email to my phone that someone posted something and so I went to my computer to see what someone said. I'm not VERY computer savy, but Rich even laughed when I spoke to him on the phone and said something about us both needing to be signed on at the same time so that everyone can see we are different people with different IP addresses. Obviously, we are not big fans of KS either and to come to Fauna to be beat up over this when Rich and I are two separate people doesn't make either of us feel welcome especially when we both have been banned from KS. Fauna should always make their visitors feel a little more welcome and not be made to feel attacked. This should be a safe haven for the "KS banned". Ya know? I have not caught myself in any lie. Matt from Bodacious Boas can vouch for us being two separate people and hell, I even told Chuck(the biggest thorn) that I'd even buy the beers if he came to San Diego!!! How much nicer can I be?? Anyway, in short, I'll try and get Rich to post something showing him as a REAL person. If I can just make one lasting impression and that is to make the banned from KS people more welcome here. It's the only thing that is going to draw people to Fauna and away from KS's BS and politics.

Barry

Barry
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
I talked to him from home yesterday and told him to get online and say something from HIS house which he did. As for different logon times, I would logon almost every 5 min yesterday because I kept getting an email to my phone that someone posted something and so I went to my computer to see what someone said.
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I wasn't talking about logon times, I was talking about post times. If a mod or someone can check logon/logoff records, it might prove the situation one way or another. If Spectrum Reptiles logged on, posted, logged off, and then RMreps logged on and posted, all in the space of 8 mins.. then it would be almost certain that the two are the same. If Spectrum Reptiles logged on and posted and RMreps was logged on at the same time from a different ip address while posting, it would suggest that they are two people, though still it wouldn't prove that you didn't call some person you know that isn't Rich and have them login and post for you. But, it would be a start. If a moderator can verify any of this.. can they?

If what you say is true and you are two different people, I'm sorry, but your in a rough spot now as far as proving it via posting messages. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just the truth, and if you are really two different people it is unfortunate. I can think of any number of ways to fabricate proof by means of posting. If I were in that position, and I were lying, I would prewrite a very long post by "Rich" and email it to a friend. Then I would write a long post on my own account, and coordinate with the friend to log in to the Rich account so we can both post the messages at or near the same time. They would be at the same time, from different ips, and too long to be written back to back unless they were written ahead of time... would look convincing, but it would still be a lie.
 
Kaminoke said:
I wasn't talking about logon times, I was talking about post times. If a mod or someone can check logon/logoff records, it might prove the situation one way or another. If Spectrum Reptiles logged on, posted, logged off, and then RMreps logged on and posted, all in the space of 8 mins.. then it would be almost certain that the two are the same. If Spectrum Reptiles logged on and posted and RMreps was logged on at the same time from a different ip address while posting, it would suggest that they are two people, though still it wouldn't prove that you didn't call some person you know that isn't Rich and have them login and post for you. But, it would be a start. If a moderator can verify any of this.. can they?

If what you say is true and you are two different people, I'm sorry, but your in a rough spot now as far as proving it via posting messages. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just the truth, and if you are really two different people it is unfortunate. I can think of any number of ways to fabricate proof by means of posting. If I were in that position, and I were lying, I would prewrite a very long post by "Rich" and email it to a friend. Then I would write a long post on my own account, and coordinate with the friend to log in to the Rich account so we can both post the messages at or near the same time. They would be at the same time, from different ips, and too long to be written back to back unless they were written ahead of time... would look convincing, but it would still be a lie.
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Amanda...Relax. We are not talking a homeland security issue here. It's not even about someone getting screwed out of animals. I've already spoke with Harald(moderator) here on the forum and he offered a VERY good idea and that is to have Rich email him some ID to verify he is REAL. I'll work on that over the weekend and if Harald gets it, he can get on the thread and tell everyone that in fact Rich is REAL..Woo hoo!!

For everyone on this thread and on a lighter note, if you care to view KS homepage, they have a video of some Impressed Tortoises I used to have and made a YouTube video. KS bans me, but isn't too proud to use my video of a rare species and use it on their home page......Love it!! ha ha....See the abuse I put up with?? HA HA

Barry
 
Well it does seem like there is question as to whether this Rich guy is real or not and whether these were really his animals he was selling. So the banning does seem justified. As well if you read the TOS on KS when you signed up you know if caught doing this you'd forfeit payment. If you can prove the animals are yours then they'd might give you your account back -- do you have a paypal or credit card transaction you could provide as proof of purchase?

If you are Barry - it's not like you'd be the first person to use a friend or wife or someone elses name to sell your animals after being banned. Personally I'd rather see proof of the sale than an ID - cause if you had half a brain you'd use a name of someone you knew you would have access to their ID if you needed it.

Just my two cents.
 
Spectrum Reptiles said:
I've already spoke with Harald(moderator) here on the forum and he offered a VERY good idea and that is to have Rich email him some ID to verify he is REAL. I'll work on that over the weekend
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There you go again.

If you're not Rich then why do you need to work on that?

All you have to do is email or call Rich and tell him what Harald suggested.
 
Why haven't you answered this question?

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We are two different people and yes I felt bad for getting him involved into herps at all because he's a single dad and doesn't have an extra $100 to let KS steal and not refund.
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If he's a single Dad and really cant afford to lose $100 then why is he buying odd and end tortoises from you in the first place? Does he really need another hobby that has the potential to get very expensive if the animal becomes ill and needs to be seen by a vet?

He says $100 means nothing and its just the principal. You say he cant afford to lose $100 but have no problem with selling him animals that can run him up astronomical bills.

Your story, Rich's story, they just don't add up. You each have posted completely different stories and Rich is not inclined to post any information to verify his identity. You have each logged in and out numerous times when one or the other found it necessary to answer a question.

Honestly, you seem like a very smart guy that has just never got caught up in his lies until now. I think your immense anger toward KS brought about the creation of a character to vent your frustrations and to have someone siding with you and so as to encourage others to join your crusade against KS. Misery loves company from what I understand.

If I'm wrong about this Rich can easily prove me wrong and I'll happily apologize.
 
Hi,

I just joined up with KS about two months ago. It took me an add or two to figure out how to correctly post, but I was very happy with their website and services. I would use them again for sure. I know that everyone I have talked to in the reptile hobby loves to use them as well. I am sorry you did not have a good experience but it looks like you a fraudulent individual and got caught in a massive lie. I hope KS comes after you for defamation of character. The post you have written about them could cost them a ton of money.

Regards,
Bill Rubin
 
Gees....

Can I get home to answer your question??? All I can do is ask Rich to send Harald a copy of his ID. Do you work Chuck?



critical bill said:
Why haven't you answered this question?







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Originally Posted by Spectrum Reptiles View Post
We are two different people and yes I felt bad for getting him involved into herps at all because he's a single dad and doesn't have an extra $100 to let KS steal and not refund.
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If he's a single Dad and really cant afford to lose $100 then why is he buying odd and end tortoises from you in the first place? Does he really need another hobby that has the potential to get very expensive if the animal becomes ill and needs to be seen by a vet?

He says $100 means nothing and its just the principal. You say he cant afford to lose $100 but have no problem with selling him animals that can run him up astronomical bills.

Your story, Rich's story, they just don't add up. You each have posted completely different stories and Rich is not inclined to post any information to verify his identity. You have each logged in and out numerous times when one or the other found it necessary to answer a question.

Honestly, you seem like a very smart guy that has just never got caught up in his lies until now. I think your immense anger toward KS brought about the creation of a character to vent your frustrations and to have someone siding with you and so as to encourage others to join your crusade against KS. Misery loves company from what I understand.

If I'm wrong about this Rich can easily prove me wrong and I'll happily apologize.
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rubinwg said:
Hi,

I just joined up with KS about two months ago. It took me an add or two to figure out how to correctly post, but I was very happy with their website and services. I would use them again for sure. I know that everyone I have talked to in the reptile hobby loves to use them as well. I am sorry you did not have a good experience but it looks like you a fraudulent individual and got caught in a massive lie. I hope KS comes after you for defamation of character. The post you have written about them could cost them a ton of money.

Regards,
Bill Rubin
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Well Bill. If that's the case, they better not stop at me because this site is full of people who don't like KS for taking their money and banning them over the smallest and laughable issues there is. This is also a public forum so people can say what they want. There is no fraud here.

Barry Lambert
 
All I can do is ask Rich to send Harald a copy of his ID.
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All this "I will ask Rich", "I will see if Rich", "I will tell Rich" really comes off like you are Rich's mouthpiece and battle-fighter (or alter-ego even).

How about you stop asking, telling, seeing and doing for Rich. He's a grown man, correct? He can read and write, correct? He has at least one computer of his own, correct? He has an account here and knows how to log on, read and comprehend, correct?

That being the case, he can speak for himself, act for himself and do for himself. Why does he need you to keep asking, telling, relating everything to him? Certainly makes one wonder.
 
rubinwg said:
I hope KS comes after you for defamation of character. The post you have written about them could cost them a ton of money.
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Interesting opinion. But, if the OP did have his account banned for the reason stated (and, acknowledging the concern expressed here, is who he says he is), then it is a legitimate complaint. It is also a complaint that has been made here before by others. Should KS also go after those other people that were banned for defamation of character? What if it turns out that a genteman named Rich Montoya DID initiate this thread, after being unfairly banned by KS? Should they still go after him?

Chuck, let's leave Dan in his own threads, okay?
 
rubinwg said:
Hi,

I just joined up with KS about two months ago. It took me an add or two to figure out how to correctly post, but I was very happy with their website and services. I would use them again for sure. I know that everyone I have talked to in the reptile hobby loves to use them as well. I am sorry you did not have a good experience but it looks like you a fraudulent individual and got caught in a massive lie. I hope KS comes after you for defamation of character. The post you have written about them could cost them a ton of money.

Regards,
Bill Rubin
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Sorry, but by your own admission you "just joined up with KS about two months ago" and therefore are probably not that well informed about the issues with the site. Also you calling the OP "fraudulent" is just as defamatory as perhaps the OP's post unless of course if the story turns out to be true in which case you would be the only one defaming anyone. Perhaps you should wait until all the information is provided before you launch your crusade which might end up with you putting your foot in your mouth.


The big issue here is not so much whether the incident the OP describes really could happen since I'm sure if you look around and not necessarily too hard enough you will find more than one person who's had problems with Jeff Barringer and how KS seems to selectively enforce it's TOS and in sometimes rather interesting manners. The issue at hand is whether the OP really exist and all these coincidences really are just that. If Rich really exist his story really isn't that hard to believe given KS's track record.
 
OK,

I owe this guy a major apology after he proves out all the names. I know we should have some good evidence by Monday proving all his names are not one person. Also I have been using KS for over about three years now, and I have never had a problem buying or selling a snake there. Just the selling is more recent. Last I checked it is a website that you may use if you like. I did not feel forced to use them at all. I just knew there would not be a better site to buy or sell a snake for me personally. Again, I can't wait to apologize. I definitely rushed to judgement because of the previous posts. If the moderator is bothered by this than that it is good enough for me. I again await the evidence proving the names to be all separate. And I will post a major apology.

Regards,
Bill Rubin
 
bodaciousboas said:
First off Barry you just got F#$%. Crazy computer geeks and there IP adress searches. Secondly I happen to be a good friend of barry's and I will tell you all he is a very honorable stand up guy. The reason he was banned from Kingsnake was not because he did something shady or rip someone off. He was banned because of something that happened years prior to him being kicked off. It seems that kingsnake might even go as far as kicking you off for having unpaid parking tickets. For barry's privacy I will not go into details about what happened, But its unjustified and fueled by a napoleon complex.
I try not to get caught up in drama, but when a guy who is actually very reasonable and fair and runs a legit operation is getting called "scum" Just because he is trying to bamboozle a reptile web site I will chime in. Just remember this is not watergate! And before you label someone A fraud or a crook, Look at his track record... Barry has some of the nicest turtles/tortoises in CA. He has sold hundreds of animals to very satisfied customers. He stands behind and guarantees all his animals.
Matt Thaoms
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Barry was banned from KS for helping to smuggle turtles along with several other folks. They were busted by federal authorities. That is all publicly known information. Jeff has also been public on his stance that anyone caught doing/convicted of such things were NOT going to be allowed back on his site. It's fairly obvious that this guy's association with barry could be reasonably seen as barry using him as a middle man to try to sell animals on ks as a means to circumvent his ban especially when both folks are using the same IP address. It's easy to look up IPs in KS ads if you know where to look.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/cac/pressroom/pr2007/067.html

http://www.turtletimes.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t50790.html
 
this has to officially be the dumbest thread i have ever seen on the BOI.
i have never seen so much bs that some wish to make as proof.

grow up! we have all seen many many posts on multiple forums about KS and we have seen what goes on PERIOD.
 
Yes,

It is obvious to me that many people have a beef with KS. Is it because they are number 1 or is there really a problem? It is laughable to me too. Everyone I have dealt with seems to like using KS. I get it. Some people want to start another web site to compete with KS. And then that will become the number 1 web site and everyone can go bash that one too. The only thing I see is a bunch of crooks that like to prey on our hobby, and sites like KS will not let it happen there. I commend them. Thank you very much for keeping the garbage out. This guy has had two days to prove out his names....How many more days are required....Tick Tock Tick Tock.....The clock is running......

Regards to the honest people,

Bill Rubin
 
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