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I'm interested in this as an academic discussion, it's a shame that we have to wade through the name calling to get to it.

As a working ecolologist (albeit marine, not terrestrial) I deplore the action of releasing exotic species into the wild, understand the concerns of introducing poor genetics/ diseases into wild populations, but sincerely wish that we could rely on common sense to distinguish between releasing small numbers of individual animals into their native habitat (when they will, in all probability, be absorbed or die off without a ripple), and releasing numbers large enough to threaten wild populations.

The only real problem I can see here is that less thinking individuals may see it as encouragement to release anything anywhere. I do not think that Rich is single handedly dooming the cornsnakes of Florida.....
 
There is no way that releasing non-feeding, line-inbred, mixed-locality, low body-fat (from the time it takes to confirm the snake as a non-feeder), genetic freak corn snakes is ethical.

You bred and sold corn snakes for years and helped to turn animals that live 20+ years into a hobby, for some, like baseball card collecting. In doing so you made a lot of money but you ended up turning your breeding facility into something like a puppy mill. Instead of filling your freezer with dead puppies you just released them into the wild.

I can't believe that RZ has spent so much time responding to posts in here though. Like, hey bud, haven't you learned anything by watching the masses with pitchforks and torches in here for years and years?
 
Thank you for putting some things into perspective here and using another animal to do it.
While this may be on the cusp of something between acceptable and unacceptable I find some of the foul language and nastiness pretty telling.
Total lack of ability to say, "hey maybe I was wrong, I hadn't thought of that" and that is really concerning.

Actually I had thought of the issues brought forth, and have thought more of them (obviously) recently, but STILL consider them merely conjecture and opinion. And those conjectures and opinions are merely built on those conjectures and opinions (even in print) made by others. As far as I have EVER been able to tell, not a single soul has actually PROVEN that releasing captive hatched and raised corn snakes into their native range will cause any damage to the environment whatsoever. Yeah, some will say the increase in population will be a problem. But that is no different from say, two clutches of corn snake babies hatching out in an area. Sorry, I just see groping at straws trying to find an excuse to prove a conclusion that they already believe in. Sure, LOTS of speculation, theories, and opinions on the matter, but no PROOF at all. It is my opinion that other actions done by mankind are causing the reduction on populations of a great number of animal species. So if my actions caused even a minor or likely temporary increase in population of the corn snakes in my area, then I am certainly happy to have been the cause of that. If some don't like that aspect about me, then I really could not care less. Personally, I'm pretty disappointed in the people I see here who evidently don't see any problem whatsoever in killing an animal instead of giving it even a slim chance to survive. You're worried about the SPCA and such? Yeah, let them latch onto that aspect of this business. Think you have problems now? Let them focus on this perspective of what YOU all are recommending and obviously advocating and see how far they can run with that particular ball. Personally, I don't think it gets much more cruel and inhumane then that. But that's just MY opinion.

So quite frankly, if people wish to condemn me because I chose to give those snakes I released into the wild a chance at life rather then a guaranteed death, then knock yourself out. I am sorry that I see no need to live my life based on YOUR opinions. And nor do I see any reason to accept your contrary opinions over mine in relating to what I have done in the past.

If that pisses you off, then I'm afraid you are just going to have to STAY pissed off. If I have learned anything from life, especially in relation to this site, there is nothing I have ever done, am doing, nor will do in the future that won't piss off someone.

Sorry, but I am done with this conversation. I am repeating my stance over and over again, and the antagonists are doing the same. No one is likely to change their opinion, and beyond just enjoying a good argument now and again, I really have nothing to gain by continuing this discussion. So read what I wrote here in this thread, and in more detail in my thread on CornSnakes.com. If what I have written isn't enough to satisfy you, then there is nothing else that will.

I will say this as a closing statement, though. Man, this legislation coming down the pike sure has shown the "best" side of a lot of people here lately. Seems like quite a lot of people are perfectly willing to push someone else in front of the bus if there is even the slimmest chance it may save their own neck. I doubt I will ever stop being surprised at the constantly new record low levels of maliciousness and pettiness displayed by some people.

Seriously people, you make me proud...... :rolleyes:
 
I will say this as a closing statement, though. Man, this legislation coming down the pike sure has shown the "best" side of a lot of people here lately. Seems like quite a lot of people are perfectly willing to push someone else in front of the bus if there is even the slimmest chance it may save their own neck. I doubt I will ever stop being surprised at the constantly new record low levels of maliciousness and pettiness displayed by some people.

Seriously people, you make me proud...... :rolleyes:

And your lack of giving a shit about the industry you made a very good living off of now that you are retired from it turns my stomach. Pushing you in front of the bus? Give me a break. You threw all of us in front of it by posting that bs.

And the feeling is mutual..... :rolleyes:
 
And your lack of giving a shit about the industry you made a very good living off of now that you are retired from it turns my stomach. Pushing you in front of the bus? Give me a break. You threw all of us in front of it by posting that bs.

And the feeling is mutual..... :rolleyes:

I love watching people who get in trouble for doing illegal activities blame other people for getting in trouble. That's a "Cops" classic response......:lol:
 
I get an infraction for saying shit and you can call me an asshole? Classic.... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
And your lack of giving a shit about the industry you made a very good living off of now that you are retired from it turns my stomach. Pushing you in front of the bus? Give me a break. You threw all of us in front of it by posting that bs.

And the feeling is mutual..... :rolleyes:

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No, I will ban you if you continue to be an antagonistic asshole on my site. I really don't care about baseless, factless and emotionally grounded opinions. Heck, I will still entertain them as long as people can discuss them like rational adults. But for those people who will use such disagreements as an excuse to "get even" because of some apparent slight in the past, or just simple blatant jealousy because of my success in this field and recent retirement, well screw them. They aren't using my sites as a platform for their verbal sludge.

Gee, anyone see a double standard here?
 
And another one! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And I don't intend to put up with your profanity any longer, bud. I know you want to squeal about how unfair I am when I ban you, so I'll make it simple for you. Do it one more time and I will grant your wish.

Maybe other environments you frequent are willing to put up with your profanity, but this one is not one of them.
 
I've stayed out of this because what's done is done, but this is getting ridiculous. Rich can't go back out and recapture the cornsnakes he's released over the years. He has no more snakes. It's done and over. What is arguing on the forums about this going to get anyone? It looks like at least one person already provided the forum link to F&W. Did that person think of the repercussions of that? Not for Rich, but for the community. I highly doubt F&W is going to do anything to Rich at this point because he has no more snakes. Instead, whomever it was provided ammunition for the restrictions and bans. Way to go!

I don't agree with what Rich did, but really, what is the point of this back and forth nonsense?
 
And I don't intend to put up with your profanity any longer, bud. I know you want to squeal about how unfair I am when I ban you, so I'll make it simple for you. Do it one more time and I will grant your wish.

Maybe other environments you frequent are willing to put up with your profanity, but this one is not one of them.

My profanity? :rofl: Rich you do whatever you feel necessary. There wont be any squealing from me. You want to ban me for something as stupid as that, go ahead. But we can all see the real reason you want to ban me and it has nothing to do with profanity.
 
I've stayed out of this because what's done is done, but this is getting ridiculous. Rich can't go back out and recapture the cornsnakes he's released over the years. He has no more snakes. It's done and over. What is arguing on the forums about this going to get anyone? It looks like at least one person already provided the forum link to F&W. Did that person think of the repercussions of that? Not for Rich, but for the community. I highly doubt F&W is going to do anything to Rich at this point because he has no more snakes. Instead, whomever it was provided ammunition for the restrictions and bans. Way to go!

I don't agree with what Rich did, but really, what is the point of this back and forth nonsense?

Actually I did get a call from FWCC and first thing the guy asked me was if I had had any luck selling off all my snakes. I told him that yes I had and thanks for asking. He brought up that thread on CornSnakes.com and said his only issue would be if I was releasing obviously unhealthy animals. So he told me to have a nice day, and that was that....
 
My profanity? :rofl: Rich you do whatever you feel necessary. There wont be any squealing from me. You want to ban me for something as stupid as that, go ahead. But we can all see the real reason you want to ban me and it has nothing to do with profanity.

Take it however you wish, fella. That decision is in YOUR hands right now. Either cease with the profanity or begone.
 
Actually I did get a call from FWCC and first thing the guy asked me was if I had had any luck selling off all my snakes. I told him that yes I had and thanks for asking. He brought up that thread on CornSnakes.com and said his only issue would be if I was releasing obviously unhealthy animals. So he told me to have a nice day, and that was that....

Well, there you go! F&W didn't even care (other then if you were releasing obviously unhealthy snakes, of course)!

So...What are you all pitching a fit about now again? :rolleyes:
 
I've stayed out of this because what's done is done, but this is getting ridiculous. Rich can't go back out and recapture the cornsnakes he's released over the years. He has no more snakes. It's done and over. What is arguing on the forums about this going to get anyone? It looks like at least one person already provided the forum link to F&W. Did that person think of the repercussions of that? Not for Rich, but for the community. I highly doubt F&W is going to do anything to Rich at this point because he has no more snakes. Instead, whomever it was provided ammunition for the restrictions and bans. Way to go!

I don't agree with what Rich did, but really, what is the point of this back and forth nonsense?

Sounded like to me they are watching all these sites anyhow...I much rather have it where they know we as hobby disagree with his actions...then be seen posting in agreement with him or suggesting we hide it from them...That IMO is much more damaging to us right now to be seen as a group who just wants to sweep this under the rug....And Rich is the one is originally posted this not to long ago...It wasn't like we dug up a 3 year old thread or older....It was him who posted it less then 30 days ago....You wanna harp on anyone for bringing it to light start at what couldn't be a worse time I think Rich is your person to blame....
 
Well, there you go! F&W didn't even care (other then if you were releasing obviously unhealthy snakes, of course)!

So...What are you all pitching a fit about now again? :rolleyes:

Did you even read this thread? HE IS RELEASING SNAKES IN THE STATE WHERE THE BAN ON KEEPING SNAKES STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well, there you go! F&W didn't even care (other then if you were releasing obviously unhealthy snakes, of course)!

So...What are you all pitching a fit about now again? :rolleyes:

Doesn't prove anything IMO....Anyone could have made that post up....In the words of Rich lets see some actual facts as to the phone call...:thumbsup:
 
Doesn't prove anything IMO....Anyone could have made that post up....In the words of Rich lets see some actual facts as to the phone call...:thumbsup:

Sorry fella, but I have absolutely no reason to extend the courtesy of use of my website to someone who blatantly calls me a liar. Take a hike, bub...
 
Did you even read this thread? HE IS RELEASING SNAKES IN THE STATE WHERE THE BAN ON KEEPING SNAKES STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I did. He was releasing snakes that are native to the area. F&W was notified, they contacted him, wanted to make sure they weren't "obviously unhealthy" and that was that. :shrug01:

I understand the concern about releasing nonnative animals. Their is absolutely no argument anyone could make in defense of that. I would be more up in arms about that then a native species. As I said, I don't agree with what he did...But I'm not going to sit here and fight about it. I don't agree with a lot of things people do in regards to kinks, non-feeders, etc...But I'm not going to crucify someone for a differing opinion.

I'm also not harping on anyone confronting Rich. They (we all) had a right to. He explained his side of things, F&W was involved and didn't have any real concerns...So why go on and on about it? What do you want to happen about it?
 
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