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Info US GLOBAL EXOTICS SPCA RAID

There are none so blind, as those that will not see.

Will you all listen to yourselves? Are some of you suggesting that the "spy" coldbloodedly wacked a baby animal over the head .. and killed a whole bunch of other animals just for "manufactured" evidence??

Why is it so hard to believe (yes I watched the video and read the words) that this is a case of neglect/abuse? Those are videos ..I don't see how any normal person can manufacture false videos to show the same with the same floors, walls, and (hint, hint) and kill/wack that many animals just to make Global look bad.

But I can see how someone would be pinching pennies on animal care so that they would have more money for their own personal use.
 
deborahbroadus said:
There are none so blind, as those that will not see.

Will you all listen to yourselves? Are some of you suggesting that the "spy" coldbloodedly wacked a baby animal over the head .. and killed a whole bunch of other animals just for "manufactured" evidence?? Why is it so hard to believe (yes I watched the video and read the words) that this is a case of neglect/abuse? Those are videos ..I don't see how any normal person can manufacture false videos to show the same with the same floors, walls, and (hint, hint) and kill/wack that many animals just to make Global look bad.

But I can see how someone would be pinching pennies on animal care so that they would have more money for their own personal use.
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YES. If you really believe PETA wouldn't stoop so low, you haven't been paying attention.
I have been in the zoo profession for 20 years, and you would be surprised at the things PETA would do. I wholeheartily believe that PETA is a legal, well-organized, well-financed Terrorist organization, much like what operates in the Middle east, without the religilous beliefs. Same agenda though. Cause chaos for those who don't believe in their cause.


Randal Berry
 
Will YOU listen to YOURSELF. YOU act as if there is no chance in the world that such a fine upstanding association as peta would lie, manufacture evidence, or do anything even as underhanded as paying someone to work in a place, spy and do what ever is necessary to build a case against pet owners, much less reptile wholesalers. If I were going to ere on a side it would be with the wholesaler and the good word that has been said about his business on here rather than give one second of credibility to peta. I am sorry but their whole stance is that NO animal should be a pet. The very fact that they had someone in that business for 6 months or how ever long with no more evidence is suspicious at best to me.
 
I encourage everyone to watch the movie I just got done watching on HBO.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/iamananimal/index.html

PETA supports this group-
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/
which is a criminal group that destroys property and has bombed scientific research labs. There is some evidence to suggest that PETA has contributed funds to this criminal group.

Also Deborah, to be fair, I was using the "guy could have whacked the wallaby over the head" as an extreme example, just trying to make the point that we do not know the context of what was really going on. I don't really think the guy did that.
 
If PETA had their way it would be illegal to eat meat of any kind. There would be no zoos, no circuses, no rodeos, no farm animals, no horseback riding, no captive breeding programs of ANY kind. After seeing that movie I realize it more than ever, this is a radical group that has no problem lying, cheating and breaking the law to further their agenda.
 
Kelli,I am glad you watched that documentary .The most startling part was how she spoke of a man striking and brutalizing some animal,and how she struck him and wanted to exact the same thing she was condemning .POT....MEET KETTLE,What a piece of work .I can honestly say that undercover video did not thrill me,but she is coming from such a radical and extreme point of view,that there is no room for anything but her way .She obviously suffers from some form of megalomania .She sees herself as some omnipotent force that is above moral and legal authority .
 
marcus q said:
Kelli,I am glad you watched that documentary .The most startling part was how she spoke of a man striking and brutalizing some animal,and how she struck him and wanted to exact the same thing she was condemning .POT....MEET KETTLE,What a piece of work .I can honestly say that undercover video did not thrill me,but she is coming from such a radical and extreme point of view,that there is no room for anything but her way .She obviously suffers from some form of megalomania .She sees herself as some omnipotent force that is above moral and legal authority .
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I was very disturbed by many of her statements in the film!
 
marcus q said:
Kelli,I am glad you watched that documentary .The most startling part was how she spoke of a man striking and brutalizing some animal,and how she struck him and wanted to exact the same thing she was condemning .POT....MEET KETTLE,What a piece of work .I can honestly say that undercover video did not thrill me,but she is coming from such a radical and extreme point of view,that there is no room for anything but her way .She obviously suffers from some form of megalomania .She sees herself as some omnipotent force that is above moral and legal authority .
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Yeah, she wanted to hurt a HUMAN for hurting a helpless animal. While PETA may have some wackos in their organization, just like the reptile community has their radicals, I have a VERY difficult time believing that someone that loves animals as they do would deliberately kill/maim/hurt that many to further an agenda.

I have no problem believing that they would lie. I would have expected Global to refute the PETA testimony with reams of receipts showing purchased of feed, substrate, and Vet bills. Apparently, this has NOT happened, else the judge would not have "approved" the confiscation? :shrug01:

Sorry, aside from the current war to keep reptiles, I have an issue with being manipulated into supporting someone's lifestyle (they aren't back yet, are they?) simply because they were cunning enough to attach their personal issue to a political one and make it their "Call to Arms." To me, the two issues in question are NOT the same.

PETA may not want us to have any animals, and they may have some liars in their organization just like the reptile community does. BUT we do make our own mistakes and I personally am not giving anyone a free pass, and I don't expect one if I get caught with my own pants down.:shrug01:
 
I would love for someone to explain to me what the difference is in having a pet in a cage as opposed to rescuing a pet and putting it in a cage. It's obvious that they aren't returning the animals that they rescue to the "wild" to run free so they must have them in cages somewhere... then what is the difference. SO hypercritical. The more I see and read of peta the more I am sure they are as low as can be with their win at all cost attitudes and double standards.
 
Deborah, PETA will do anything to further their agenda and get recognition. ANYTHING, that even means killing you. Simple as that. They are an extremist domestic terror organization.
Now look at the context of the video. The rainbow was obvisouly attacked by another. What is there to do but put it down? You think that the imported brazilian is gonna make it? It has a perforated eye, a broken jaw, and is thin to begin with because that is how it probably came in. I have seen thousands of imported rainbows, most are very ubnderweight, and that is becuase that is how they find them in the wild! There are no fat snakes in the wild, lol. Either way, I think the tone, and the context of that bit is that the "spy" has clearly been annoying the owner and the fellow employees to the point where they say you want to save it? take it. 35.00 bucks. Not that the owner is gonna MAKE any money as even import brazilians cost 35.00 in freight alone.

PETAKILLSANIMALS.COM
 
Also from a business standpoint, you need to have vet records , import documents, invoices, etc for animals. USDA probably inspected US GLOBAL every month due to volume. You have to ship mammals with a health certificate, so they must have had animals looked at constantly.

Keep in mind shipping. Animals injure themselves in shipping or in the simple fact of capture. Exporters might not notice something, and ship it out. Or they do know and still ship it out.
That wallaby might have for all we know a congenital defect, or got injured in capture, or simply couldnt handle the stress. Looks like it has a neorological disorder( ive seen it before) and this is caused by chemicals, or air shipping. But who knows, and it is sad but true, the vet would give it an injection, (wallabies are not cheap), and hope for the best. There is no other thing to do. The more you baby it, the more stressed it gets.

Anyways, the video keeps talking about fish. Jasen didn't carry anything that eatsfish or NEEDS to eat fish. Baby turtles? Large turtles? Nah, pellets. I think thespywanted fish cause hedoesnt know the proper knowledge on keeping turtles or similar that might eat fish. There is nothing on jasens list that eats fish except turtles. But it clearly shows how a unneeded request can be made to sound like something hasn t eaten in months. Shoot, you feed turtles fish and it will ruin their water, and cause all sorts of bacterial problems. There is a tub with some dead turtles in and the water is whitish in color(on my screen). If it was dirty from turtle feces it would be brown. Fish cause the water to be white in color/grey. Map turtles hate oily water, and it looks like that tub is full of them. I think the spy by feeding fish might have killed some turtles. How about twisting it like that!
 
MiamiExotics said:
Also from a business standpoint, you need to have vet records , import documents, invoices, etc for animals. USDA probably inspected US GLOBAL every month due to volume. You have to ship mammals with a health certificate, so they must have had animals looked at constantly.

Keep in mind shipping. Animals injure themselves in shipping or in the simple fact of capture. Exporters might not notice something, and ship it out. Or they do know and still ship it out.
That wallaby might have for all we know a congenital defect, or got injured in capture, or simply couldnt handle the stress. Looks like it has a neorological disorder( ive seen it before) and this is caused by chemicals, or air shipping. But who knows, and it is sad but true, the vet would give it an injection, (wallabies are not cheap), and hope for the best. There is no other thing to do. The more you baby it, the more stressed it gets.

Anyways, the video keeps talking about fish. Jasen didn't carry anything that eatsfish or NEEDS to eat fish. Baby turtles? Large turtles? Nah, pellets. I think thespywanted fish cause hedoesnt know the proper knowledge on keeping turtles or similar that might eat fish. There is nothing on jasens list that eats fish except turtles. But it clearly shows how a unneeded request can be made to sound like something hasn t eaten in months. Shoot, you feed turtles fish and it will ruin their water, and cause all sorts of bacterial problems. There is a tub with some dead turtles in and the water is whitish in color(on my screen). If it was dirty from turtle feces it would be brown. Fish cause the water to be white in color/grey. Map turtles hate oily water, and it looks like that tub is full of them. I think the spy by feeding fish might have killed some turtles. How about twisting it like that!
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I have read your post and then re-read mine. I don't see that I have "twisted" anything? If I have, then I apologize.

I don't think I have littered my posts with "ifs," "maybes," "mights," "couldas," and "must haves" in the context that you have posted above. If I did THAT (littered my posts with..) THAT actually could be considered twisting the evidence to fit my own theory.

What I have attempted to do is look at the information presented from a common sense, unemotional, nonbiased standpoint.

p.s. About the fish. I have no clue if any animals needed fish. I am aware that when I send out my own mailing lists, I don't list all my animals. It also would make more sense that if I were confronted with a worker asking me about ordering fish, I wouldnt' be saying something like, "I forgot" if I didn't need fish. I would be asking, WHY do we need fish, which animals need fish? and THEN ordered it.:rolleyes:
 
kmarsh said:
I would love for someone to explain to me what the difference is in having a pet in a cage as opposed to rescuing a pet and putting it in a cage. It's obvious that they aren't returning the animals that they rescue to the "wild" to run free so they must have them in cages somewhere... then what is the difference. SO hypercritical. The more I see and read of peta the more I am sure they are as low as can be with their win at all cost attitudes and double standards.
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There is a huge difference ..in one instance the animal may be abused and neglected and Vet care withheld, in the other instance while the animal's freedom is still restricted, she/he's getting the best care necessary for her/his species.

There is nothing more beautiful than seeing a previously neglected, abused animal blossom and begin to trust humans again with the proper care.
 
deborahbroadus said:
There is a huge difference ..in one instance the animal may be abused and neglected and Vet care withheld, in the other instance while the animal's freedom is still restricted, she/he's getting the best care necessary for her/his species.

There is nothing more beautiful than seeing a previously neglected, abused animal blossom and begin to trust humans again with the proper care.
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Per above you say "maybe". All we can all do is speculate and I highly doubt any of us are going to change the stance we have on this subject. I can certainly say that I won't. A cage is a cage is a cage. Their jiberish is nothing more than just that jiberish and double talk. If they were true to their motto of ethical treatment then lets take them all back to the wild, why spay or neuter that is what they do naturally, why not just turn all the cats and dogs loose in the streets to do all that they do naturally. See how silly that sounds. It is going from one extreme to another. Who is to decide where the middle of the road is? I will decide for myself what is the acceptable level of captivity is and what is the acceptable level of need versus animal is. I agree with Miami that this is a terrorist group and should be treated and viewed as such. When someone demands that we come around to their way of thinking and that everyone must abide by their rules then that is too far.
 
lanceheads said:
YES. If you really believe PETA wouldn't stoop so low, you haven't been paying attention.
I have been in the zoo profession for 20 years, and you would be surprised at the things PETA would do. I wholeheartily believe that PETA is a legal, well-organized, well-financed Terrorist organization, much like what operates in the Middle east, without the religilous beliefs. Same agenda though. Cause chaos for those who don't believe in their cause.


Randal Berry
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PETA: the name of the game is exposure.

I don't agree with the extreme view of PETA and they are often maligned for their methods. But for me, they have opened my eyes to some realities I would have preferred to not have known. Their undercover cameras have taken me places I could otherwise not have gone, and shown me things that breeders/wholesellers/petshops would have preferred to keep hidden.

Should we be sheltered from and kept blind to what happens and what continues to happen as a result of our breeding activities? Would any of us have believed that a big breeding organization was capable of the results we saw, if we had not seen it? How many of us could have fathomed that people are capable of such cruelty, and all for profit?

I understand the anger over PETA's methods, and I could never have been the person that stood behind that camera and let all these deaths happen. But what's the alternative, Randal? What would you prefer the choices to be? Would just words and explanations have moved you to act?

Right now, PETA seems to have opened the can of worms wide enough so that more reputable mainstream media begins to send in investigators; we should be more open to what is revealed. I, for one, while abhoring their methods am grateful to have the blinders off my eyes.
 
MAYBE you should go look at this site petakillsanimals.com and read about your precious peta. Then come back with how a organization that gets 23 million a year taxfree can only save 7 animals on their budget? How "ethical" is it to kill 2,000+ animals and store them in a 9,000.+ freezer and pay out millions to have them creamated. Ohhh my blood is boiling. IF You want to get ticked off go read that site above and realize that their tax exempt status is given by the rest of us that pays taxes. Its a REAL eye opener. Atleast US Global wasn't doing this off the tax payers backs with tax exempt status.
 
kmarsh said:
MAYBE you should go look at this site petakillsanimals.com and read about your precious peta. Then come back with how a organization that gets 23 million a year taxfree can only save 7 animals on their budget? How "ethical" is it to kill 2,000+ animals and store them in a 9,000.+ freezer and pay out millions to have them creamated. Ohhh my blood is boiling. IF You want to get ticked off go read that site above and realize that their tax exempt status is given by the rest of us that pays taxes. Its a REAL eye opener. Atleast US Global wasn't doing this off the tax payers backs with tax exempt status.
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Do you have any evidence of those numbers you tossed out?

But to answer your implication...I would be concerned if I learned that PETA was letting animals die in pain and agony just as I am now. A lot of animals can't be saved once they have reached a certain point. Even Pet shelters have to euthanize animals that they can't find homes for.

I am less concerned with humane euthanizing than I am with animals dying in pain and agony. We already have too many animals and not enough owners.:shrug01:
 
THE NUMBERS ARE ON THAT SITE. COURT DOCUMENTED. Everyone should go look at those numbers, especially if you think what US Global did was so bad. All that I stated above is on that website. Funny that you went quickly to peta's site and oohhh the poor animals. How bout checkingout petakillsanimals.com Miami Exotics linked it in his post several times back and I have posted it again. Go check it out if you want numbers, money wasting, lies, killing of animals, court cases.
 
I can't say if I agree or disagree with what happened at US Global because all the facts aren't in and the case resolved. Nor is all the evidence been showed both good and bad, but one thing that peta does that is smarter than all of us in the reptile world do, they get money from how ever they can get it, be it lying, cheating or what ever and have a defense fund for themselves. They have the money to line the pockets of politicians because no matter what, they sad story as much as they can to get the donations to do all this with. Its obvious from the numbers that they do very little in helping the animals but a whole lot in getting their message across and getting the support that they need to further their cause. We hurt ourselves with bickering instead of uniting. I wish that there was a defense fund for reptiles but for now, I think I would financially support petakillsanimals.com because atleast they are helping get the truth out about peta if nothing else and hopefully that will get people thinking and slow down their money train which does alot of damage in the pockets of politicians. IF any one knows of a fund for the defense of the reptile industry it would behove us all to participate before we are the next ones.
 
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