New Pennsylvania Super Shows!

[DanRC30]

Well, as expected, it was pretty dead there today but there really is a ton of potential. I picked up a few nice additions to my collection but I wish there was more to choose from. I say give it time.

Looks like I missed all of this controversy... lol!

The fact is, the show may have "looked dead" to some. That's simply because there is a TON OF ROOM at this Expo center. We would need 20,000 people to make it look busy. lol! Rest assured, we had plenty of people come through the doors, and the vendors were happy.

I had a very nice time and everyone seemed to be in a good mood for the day.

 

[Goombas Reptiles]

I'm not sure what "controversy" I became part of but I'm getting a little irked that people think I either have poor vision or cant count or have no common sense. I really wish I would have taken my camera with me. It seems like this whole thing has become a pushing match for the Hamburg show and the new shows. It sounds like people are saying it was packed to shove it in Hamburgs face. It's unfortunate that in a time like this, people can't just learn to coexist. I'll admit, early on in this post I trash talked the fieldhouse because of how crowded it got and I was under the assumption that there would no longer be shows there but I see now that the show has split and its turned into a high school popularity contest for some of the new show "supporters". I know what I saw and nobody is gonna brainwash me into thinking otherwise. I went to the show. I supported it. I never said it was bad, just slow. Were you all expecting everybody to just pick up and move to a new venue? I know for a fact there were breeders walking around checking out the new place and seeing how it was going. If they saw what I saw, they may never sign up to sell, but hopefully they do and BOTH SHOWS CAN LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER! So quit the lying and the bickering and support all the shows because we all know our days are numbered and we may not have shows at all in the future. Stop fighting over dumb things, life is too short.

 

[dragonlvr64]

I'm not sure what "controversy" I became part of but I'm getting a little irked that people think I either have poor vision or cant count or have no common sense. I really wish I would have taken my camera with me. It seems like this whole thing has become a pushing match for the Hamburg show and the new shows. It sounds like people are saying it was packed to shove it in Hamburgs face. It's unfortunate that in a time like this, people can't just learn to coexist. I'll admit, early on in this post I trash talked the fieldhouse because of how crowded it got and I was under the assumption that there would no longer be shows there but I see now that the show has split and its turned into a high school popularity contest for some of the new show "supporters". I know what I saw and nobody is gonna brainwash me into thinking otherwise. I went to the show. I supported it. I never said it was bad, just slow. Were you all expecting everybody to just pick up and move to a new venue? I know for a fact there were breeders walking around checking out the new place and seeing how it was going. If they saw what I saw, they may never sign up to sell, but hopefully they do and BOTH SHOWS CAN LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER! So quit the lying and the bickering and support all the shows because we all know our days are numbered and we may not have shows at all in the future. Stop fighting over dumb things, life is too short.

Not one person from what I recall on this thread ever said it was PACKED. You seem to say that you know it is a new show and would need time to be packed but then you also say that new possible vendors/breeders might not ever sign up because it was so "dead". It was a new show! Period. You can't have Hamburg type of crowd for a first brand new show. No one here ever said it was expected to be that way or that it should have been that way. The only reason for any bickering is for what you keep saying. That those of us who found the show a success for a FIRST show are lying. It WAS not packed, we know! But as a vendor, I felt for the first show it was a good turnout!
1200 is the number through the door from the promoter. NOT packed, but hopefully for vendors/breeders and customers it will get to be a well known show that can house many and NEVER feel packed! Who wants it to be so jammed up that it is Hamburg all over again. Hamburg has outgrown it's building. Would be great for everyone if they could find a new location and give people some more space.

 

[DanRC30]

I'm not sure what "controversy" I became part of but I'm getting a little irked that people think I either have poor vision or cant count or have no common sense.

Goombas,
I finally just got all caught up on this thread. I didn't even see all of this going down! lol! I don't think anyone is saying you're blind... but I do know the actual numbers and I can tell you it was well over 1,000. In reality, it doesn't matter... the people who came were buying things and that made the vendors happy. I think that this show offers people something different than other shows, so it's really not in competition with anyone. It's unique.

I'm not here to bash anyone, but I'm also not going to sit idle while false statements are made about Marty (the other promoter) and what "went down". Just remember that there's always two sides to every story, but I'm not going to get into the drama part of what happened; it's just not productive. I will address false statements that involved me first hand however. Perhaps they are mistakes or assumptions? I don't know... all I know is that they are not true and I want to clear them up.

I have a few issues with that Denise has said in her postings, but right now I'm only going to address this one.

The other promoter would have never left the Hamburg fliedhouse unless he was asked to.

I'm sorry, but this is an entirely false statement. I personally was discussing with Marty about moving the show to (a) new location(s) before his show last summer and he was in full agreement. One only requires a heartbeat to tell that a new and larger venue was necessary. The fact is, we both have received a huge number of complaints from the vendors and attendees alike about the size of the room, the cleanliness, the loooong line, lack of parking, the tickets on cars (some towed!), and the lack of a comfortable air environment. This is the plain and simple truth and unless Denise was on the phone with us or standing next to Marty when we talked, she would not know this. However, it's her opinion and she's entitled to it... however incorrect it may be.

Now I'll address Larry's comment:

Marty has ignored this & booked his shows over top of some of mine as qwell as on top of The Steel City Reptile Expo.

Once again, this is not true. Marty has not "ignored" anything or anyone. I'm not aware of any "booking on top" of any other shows, but then again that doesn't mean it's not happening! I do want to make that part clear because I don't look for any other shows myself. But I'd also like to make this clear; Marty has not done anything intentional to disrupt or hurt any other shows. If this happened, it was purely by accident. Hey, nobody's perfect! Marty did tell me that Larry confronted him about one of his dates and it was scheduled when Larry was running a show, and Marty gladly changed the date. It was a simple mistake which happened because we were both very busy setting up the new locations and couldn't look at every show date. In fact, Marty would still like to attend Larry's shows, but as far as I know, he's not allowed. But Larry is welcome to vend at any of the Expos if he so decides. Marty doesn't have a malicious bone in his body... He's one of the nicest and easy-going guys I've ever known. Now me on the other hand..... (kidding - Gotta have a sense of humor, right???)

Finally, I'd like to thank everyone who came out to the new location. I hope you all had a great time. With your continued support, we're going to continue to grow and take this reptile show to the next level. I look forward to moving forward in a positive direction with all vendors and attendees. Thank you and see you on March 19th!!!

 

[elkmillbillyreptiles]

I like the show a lot can't wait till the next one.

 

[mikeyt]

I thought the show was well thought out, and layed out nicely. I really enjoyed the time I spent there and look forward to attending the next one. It was nice to beable to talk to and meet some of the vendors that I havent had the chance to do so at other shows. All were very pleasant to talk with, and I even made some purchases.

I look forward to going to the next one in March and hope to see some of the same vendors there as well as some new ones.

 

[DanRC30]

Thanks Mike. Glad you enjoyed. We have more vendors who have already stated they intend to join us at the next show, but the best way to get more vendors to attend is to let them know you want to see them at the Expo. It only takes a minute to shoot off an e-mail. There's no motivator like public demand.

www.EastCoastReptileSuperExpos.com

 

[mikeyt]

Hey, no problem. Cant wait for the next one.

I actually did talk to some vendors at other shows about coming up and giving it a shot but seems alot are wrapped up in the so called politics of this industry. Maybe they will come around.

In my opinion, which is just that, from some of the reasons I have heard, some of the exuses, and the so-called rumors going around I think alot of them need to grow a set, realize that this is free enterprise and a part of life.

I like to go to the shows and buy and have a good day. I dont really care who does what show and where but it would be nice to go to one nice big show, and if you choose not to do a show (any show), so be it, but make sure its because you choose.

I hope to be vending in the near future, and I will support many shows, because of their venue, promoting and advertising, for what they have to offer me as a business, and most of all because I choose to. Now in this ALLEDGED rumor mill, notice I said ALLEDGED, I will not support any show where a promoter would ask me not to vend another show for personal gain or any other reason.

Once again just my opinion, and hope to be on the other side of the table in the future

 

[Classic Dum's]

i do want to point out that i rad the first page and skipped to page 9 i dont have time to read everything in between so some of these points may have been covered anyway

Thanks for the response, Denise. I have been speaking directly with the vendors about all of this. This isn't third, fourth, fifth hand information. This is directly from them. You understand, I'm sure, why it would be hard to believe you over 5-10 other people who have a consistent story.

i can tell you first hand that is a lie, I jokingly told Denise to do that very thing and offeneded her in the process. Denise cares about and understands the vendors extremly well. Dictating what her vendors can and cannot do is something she refused to do and knowing how it would upset the people she asks to support got offended when i said that.

In regards to the Fieldhouse itself, it's a horrible building. There's nothing you can do to fix that. Pulling a single row of vendors out isn't going to stop the dirty, dank feel of that place.

as for the overcrowding you must not have any idea what dates belonged to whom. Cause there again i can tell you first hand how all this got started, long story short the practice of over crowding was started with Walt(one of the origanal owners) back in the 90s, Marty aquired 2 dates a yr from walt and contiunued this practice. Yrs ago when Denise and her brother ran the show the cut out if i rember correctly 2 rows of tables for the safety and comfort of the vendors alike. The over crowding problems for the last 8+yrs has been Marty you r bashing her for what he did.

dirty dannk place??? seriously yes its an old building, but dirty and dank, its been explained to me that you have some personal grudges against Denise and some of the vendors for various reason could that be the motivation behind your postings? Hvant you been a vendor in the past?

 

[Classic Dum's]

Thanks for the info. You are not one of the vendors I have heard this from obviously (nor has your name ever come up). I went into asking my questions knowing that vendors wouldn't publicly confirm what's being said behind the scenes. Some are afraid that it would risk their spot at Hamburg. Understandable. No hard feelings. I wanted to give Denise the opportunity to state her piece on it and she has.





Cindy, great post! I agree 100%.

i thought this site had a policy against 2nd hand info, no one will speak up publically cause it didnt happen, i have no doubt that not a single person will ever show up who can say Denise told me this, only people like you that are spreading gossip

 

[DanRC30]

Hey, no problem. Cant wait for the next one.

I actually did talk to some vendors at other shows about coming up and giving it a shot but seems alot are wrapped up in the so called politics of this industry. Maybe they will come around.

In my opinion, which is just that, from some of the reasons I have heard, some of the exuses, and the so-called rumors going around I think alot of them need to grow a set, realize that this is free enterprise and a part of life.

I like to go to the shows and buy and have a good day. I dont really care who does what show and where but it would be nice to go to one nice big show, and if you choose not to do a show (any show), so be it, but make sure its because you choose.

I hope to be vending in the near future, and I will support many shows, because of their venue, promoting and advertising, for what they have to offer me as a business, and most of all because I choose to. Now in this ALLEDGED rumor mill, notice I said ALLEDGED, I will not support any show where a promoter would ask me not to vend another show for personal gain or any other reason.

Once again just my opinion, and hope to be on the other side of the table in the future

Mike,
Rest assured, nobody from our side spread any rumors whatsoever. In fact, Marty received calls from people the week before Denise's last show asking if there was still a show there and he said yes, but he wasn't running it. Marty also put in a couple of calls to Denise to book his normal tables at her show, but the calls were never returned.

Unfortunately, we were on the receiving end of the rumors. There were rumors like 'there won't be any live rodents at the Expo' and 'there won't be any venomous'. Both of which were entirely false. I don't know who spread the rumors, but they were certainly out there.

Also, to address Stephanie's comments about what she heard from vendors, Marty and I heard very similar comments from vendors, so she wasn't the only one.

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Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic View Post
Thanks for the response, Denise. I have been speaking directly with the vendors about all of this. This isn't third, fourth, fifth hand information. This is directly from them. You understand, I'm sure, why it would be hard to believe you over 5-10 other people who have a consistent story.

i can tell you first hand that is a lie, I jokingly told Denise to do that very thing and offeneded her in the process. Denise cares about and understands the vendors extremly well. Dictating what her vendors can and cannot do is something she refused to do and knowing how it would upset the people she asks to support got offended when i said that.

Jason,
As stated above, Stephanie isn't the only person who heard this coming from the vendors. Marty and I heard it directly from vendors as well. Stephanie is not lying.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

i thought this site had a policy against 2nd hand info, no one will speak up publically cause it didnt happen, i have no doubt that not a single person will ever show up who can say Denise told me this, only people like you that are spreading gossip

On the BOI, yes. This is not the BOI.

I have no doubt either that the vendors will protect their lively hood and not comment publicly at this time. I respect that. This is why I won't name names. The main vendor who I've been chatting with on the subject has been in the industry for decades. The story was also corroborated by others. So I do not believe that what I am being told is false.

Denise knows who was told what...As does Todd...I gave Denise the opportunity to publicly respond to the comments that have been floating around for a couple months and she has.

its been explained to me that you have some personal grudges against Denise and some of the vendors for various reason could that be the motivation behind your postings? Hvant you been a vendor in the past?

I'm curious to know who your source is, because that is simply false information. I've never vended Hamburg (attended, not vended). I've done Larry's shows. I've done Lititz (which is no longer around). Personal grudges against Denise and vendors that attend the show? Hardly. Why would I have a grudge? I have supported and advertised on my own sites all of the mid-atlantic shows for years.

As stated above, Stephanie isn't the only person who heard this coming from the vendors. Marty and I heard it directly from vendors as well. Stephanie is not lying.

Dan, I appreciate you backing me and I apologize for causing unneeded stress on both you and Marty. I'm just tired of the BS. It sickens me. None of this should be going on.

 

[Classic Dum's]

Goombas,
but I do know the actual numbers and I can tell you it was well over 1,000. In reality, it doesn't matter... the people who came were buying things and that made the vendors happy.

are you one of the promoters how do you know door numbers? Ive spoken to a dozen or so that were there and have heard mixed reveiws

I'm sorry, but this is an entirely false statement. I personally was discussing with Marty about moving the show to (a) new location(s) before his show last summer and he was in full agreement.

thats funny wasnt it last yr he was adding dates on in the venue you claim he wanted to move out of? I can assure he would have never moved that show had he not had to, especially to where he moved it. Anyone thats been around for a while knows Dave(denises brother) tried to do exactly what marty is and the first couple shows were decent then it withered away from there, i was present for all of them

Marty has not done anything intentional to disrupt or hurt any other shows.

well lets see here another lie i seen posted by someone a couple pages back was that marty had ALL of the vendors from hamburg plus news vendors at this show a week or two ago, no and heres were it ties into that qoute because myself and many,many others refused to follow him after seeing his advertisments and speaking to him and him telling people that hamburg in its entirerty was moving, no were did he clarify that all that was moving was him and his dates, yes in doing so he is disrupting and hurting people such as myself who rely on the actual hamburhg show for income, i can tell you for fact there myself and atleast 12 other vendors im good friend with that most likely would have done his show if not for that

keep in mind Marty wants us to support him, this dirty dingy place was good enough all these yrs was good enough for him to ad extra dates on last yr(yr before maybe) it was good enough up until he was pushed out, now all the sudden its this dirty nasty place

I dont wish any bad on anyone but i can tell you from experiance in time that show will burn out. ive watched it happen before, Dave(denises brother for those of you who dont remeber) tried doin exactly this and it failed. Common sense tells you if these new venues were so much nicer n cleaner and all this grand stuff you few r saying and there truely was so many problems with the other venue, all of the vendors would have followed marty, thats not even close to the case, you guys are glorifying minor things for political reasons and truth be told Denise always has and will run a better show, shes the one that gave up money she could have pocketed by knocking rows out for people comfort n safety, not marty, her shows get more people through the door, always have, this is why her shows seem crowded she got how many rows less of tables then marty but yet youd never know because her space is filled with customers??
n she was also the first outta the 2 to open the doors and hr earlier to accomidate the number of customers(actual it was her brother) because the doors used to open at 10am not 9am like they do now

this is why not every single one of us followed marty, you can glorify all you want but when it copmes to caring for vendors and customers alike Denise has always 1st to do everything she can which is proven by the 1000's of dollars shes lost in table sales over the years by knocking rows out for our comfort and saftey, and thats one of many examples of things shes done first for us that guys like myself have seen since i was there, some of which marty followed but he was never the first to give a crap about us, which is a proven fact due to him stuffing as many extra tables in there at the risk of all of us so he could line his pockets

now before you go on n on how you hate it crowded keep this in mind as a customer who has certain vendors you look forward to seeing its the sher number of other customers(fact that its crowded) that keep those vendors you like to see attending the show, on the flip side its the fact some of the high class vendors r there is why you attend, i promise you when some of you get what you want and the isle are easy to walk through and the building is no longer crowded the vendors you look most foward to seeing will no longer be there either, you guys fail to understand what you love most about the shows runs hand in hand

 

[Classic Dum's]

Jason,
As stated above, Stephanie isn't the only person who heard this coming from the vendors. Marty and I heard it directly from vendors as well. Stephanie is not lying.

you 2 and hear say, its nothing but garbage cause as i stated i jokingly told denise to do that and it offeneded her, she wanted nothing to do with that line of thought, NOTHING

 

[Classic Dum's]

On the BOI, yes. This is not the BOI.

I have no doubt either that the vendors will protect their lively hood and not comment publicly at this time. I respect that. This is why I won't name names. The main vendor who I've been chatting with on the subject has been in the industry for decades. The story was also corroborated by others. So I do not believe that what I am being told is false.


I'm curious to know who your source is, because that is simply false information. I've never vended Hamburg (attended, not vended). I've done Larry's shows. I've done Lititz (which is no longer around). Personal grudges against Denise and vendors that attend the show? Hardly. Why would I have a grudge? I have supported and advertised on my own sites all of the mid-atlantic shows for years.
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Denise understands the backlash shed receive for dictating who can do what shows,if someone actual told you this id bet money if you posted there name Denise would politly call them to ask why they would say such things and i promise you there response is going to be "well i actually herd that from joe blow" n when she call Joe blow i assure u hell say he heard it from tom dick" and so on and so forth, Denise is a very iteligent woman, i assure you she is not stupid enough to get caught up in garbage like this

you kept sayn she knows who the person is she said this to, which means she knows who your source thats been here for decades is, which also means, thanks to you, your source knows that Denise is aware he/she has been running their mouth, since denise supposidly knows who she told this to and its now public, whys your source still hidding under a rock? somebody is lieing!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

you kept sayn she knows who the person is she said this to, which means she knows who your source thats been here for decades is, which also means, thanks to you, your source knows that Denise is aware he/she has been running their mouth, since denise supposidly knows who she told this to and its now public, whys your source still hidding under a rock? somebody is lieing!!!!!!!!!!!

Their are several vendors. Not simply one. She knows who she spoke with herself and I'm sure she knows who Todd spoke with at Reading. You are correct though, somebody certainly is lying.

I believe most everyone understands that Marty's shows can be perceived as a threat to the Fieldhouse shows. No one would fault Denise for being afraid. No one would fault her for doing everything she can to protect herself and her show. Honesty however, is what is key.

 

[DanRC30]

Jason,
I'm having a very hard time reading your typing style since you use very little punctuation, or letter capitalization anywhere. It's hard to tell where one sentence ends and where the next begins. But I will try my best to address your statements even though you have offended me by calling me a liar.

are you one of the promoters how do you know door numbers? Ive spoken to a dozen or so that were there and have heard mixed reveiws

I know the numbers because I work with Marty on all aspects of the Expos. That's all you need to know.

thats funny wasnt it last yr he was adding dates on in the venue you claim he wanted to move out of?

Of course he was adding dates. You don't think he could change venues overnight do you? It takes time to do such things and he was planning on promoting the move at his last show there.

well lets see here another lie i seen posted by someone a couple pages back was that marty had ALL of the vendors from hamburg plus news vendors at this show a week or two ago

Once again, you are mistaken Jason. I posted that you will see all of your favorite vendors, not ALL VENDORS from Hamburg. Please check your source before quoting.

many,many others refused to follow him after seeing his advertisments and speaking to him and him telling people that hamburg in its entirerty was moving, no were did he clarify that all that was moving was him and his dates

I want this to be perfectly clear: Nowhere did anyone say that the show was moving in it's entirety. We simply said that the Northwestern Berks show is moving. the Northwestern Berks show is Marty's show and it's a correct statement. We even changed the name to help make things clear. It's that plain and simple. What would you have had us do? Should we have posted Denise's show dates as well? Does Ford advertise GM's cars?

keep in mind Marty wants us to support him, this dirty dingy place was good enough all these yrs was good enough for him to ad extra dates on last yr(yr before maybe) it was good enough up until he was pushed out, now all the sudden its this dirty nasty place

Jason, it's always been a dirty dingy place as you put it. But would you expect him to leave without a game plan?

I dont wish any bad on anyone but i can tell you from experiance in time that show will burn out. ive watched it happen before, Dave(denises brother for those of you who dont remeber) tried doin exactly this and it failed. Common sense tells you if these new venues were so much nicer n cleaner and all this grand stuff you few r saying and there truely was so many problems with the other venue, all of the vendors would have followed marty

Just because someone else tried it and failed does not mean that will be the same fate when the next person steps in. Chrysler was failing until Lee Iacocca stepped in and save the company and made it prosper. We're not worried about the support from vendors. More and more are signing up every day. They can see this is the way of the future.

when it copmes to caring for vendors and customers alike Denise has always 1st to do everything she can which is proven by the 1000's of dollars shes lost in table sales over the years by knocking rows out for our comfort and saftey

I'm sorry, but if a promoter reduces the number of tables, but then increases the price of the remaining tables, doesn't that offset the thousands of dollars that are lost as you put it? If my math is correct, it seems that it does cover any losses. The numbers may not add up exactly, but it's close whether it's on the plus or minus side.

now before you go on n on how you hate it crowded keep this in mind as a customer who has certain vendors you look forward to seeing its the sher number of other customers(fact that its crowded) that keep those vendors you like to see attending the show, on the flip side its the fact some of the high class vendors r there is why you attend, i promise you when some of you get what you want and the isle are easy to walk through and the building is no longer crowded the vendors you look most foward to seeing will no longer be there either, you guys fail to understand what you love most about the shows runs hand in hand

Jason, I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are saying here.

Jason, I suggest you speak with Marty about the issues you have posted. I can assure you that you are sorely mistaken on many things here and if you truly wish to get to the bottom of this, you should speak with him, or me, first hand. I'll gladly speak with you anytime. If you pm me your number, I'll give you a call. Thank you.

 

[Classic Dum's]

But I will try my best to address your statements even though you have offended me by calling me a liar.

im not directly calling anyone a liar just stating a fact that someone is lieing

Of course he was adding dates. You don't think he could change venues overnight do you? It takes time to do such things and he was planning on promoting the move at his last show there.

ya ya it was good enough till he was told to leave

I want this to be perfectly clear: Nowhere did anyone say that the show was moving in it's entirety. We simply said that the Northwestern Berks show is moving. the Northwestern Berks show is Marty's show and it's a correct statement. We even changed the name to help make things clear.

the ads i seen were for the hamburg show there was no distinction made at that time n yes i spoke to marty bout this myself, im not alone in vendors that refuse to support him cause of this

Jason, it's always been a dirty dingy place as you put it. But would you expect him to leave without a game plan?

no dirty dingy was someone elses words, whole point is hes nit picking small things glorifying them, if this was his gameplan to use this angle whats with all the marty is so wonderful n would never hurt anyone crap,by glorifying minor faults the venue has hes directly hurting the people hes asking to support him

Just because someone else tried it and failed does not mean that will be the same fate when the next person steps in. Chrysler was failing until Lee Iacocca stepped in and save the company and made it prosper. We're not worried about the support from vendors. More and more are signing up every day. They can see this is the way of the future.

ok

I'm sorry, but if a promoter reduces the number of tables, but then increases the price of the remaining tables, doesn't that offset the thousands of dollars that are lost as you put it? If my math is correct, it seems that it does cover any losses. The numbers may not add up exactly, but it's close whether it's on the plus or minus side.

seems to me they were both charging the same amount for tables, so who was profiting off the extra row? who wasnt?

I suggest you speak with Marty about the issues you have posted. I can assure you that you are sorely mistaken on many things here and if you truly wish to get to the bottom of this, you should speak with him, or me, first hand. I'll gladly speak with you anytime. If you pm me your number, I'll give you a call.

i dont need to speak to you in private i have nothing that needs to be hidden here


facts remain the same
this stuff about denise dictating who can do what, is lies n gossip

denise was the first to think of peoples comfort and saftey, marty never did, ive seen overcrowding and fire hazard thrown around within this thread in an attempt to bash denise and her show and it was marty who was causing the over crowding and fire hazard by having the extra rows and throwing the round tables in where ever he could, neither of these issues were venue/denise related, both of these problems were directly related to marty stuffing tables in places they shouldnt have been so he could line his pockets

she was first to open doors earlier to accomidate, hell they(her n dave) even tried makin it a 2day show back in the day to accomidate and all the vendors freaked out, now marty....oh lets stick another table in here

when it comers to overcrowding the only thing marty has done to accomidate that problem is, stuff another table here, n one over there, n one down there so he can overcrowd his pockets all of this done at the safety of the public and vendors

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Look, going back and forth arguing over this doesn't change what's being said behind the scenes and what is being said here in public. I asked two questions that are pertinent to both shows, Denise answered them. Those that are directly involved know what is truly being said by whom. Until those individuals step up, continuing to argue is fruitless.

Personally, I'm going to sit back, wait and see what happens. I hope that this gets worked out. I hope that people take the honest route.

 

[Classic Dum's]

Their are several vendors. Not simply one. She knows who she spoke with herself and I'm sure she knows who Todd spoke with at Reading. You are correct though, somebody certainly is lying.

ahh yes someone is, n since we both agree she would know whom she said these things to, since its the cats outta the bag and its now public and your "sources" still got there heads in the sand we know who is lying, you or your sources

good day