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What a bunch of crap. This will be in Tomorrows paper.

A Times Editorial
U.S. should ban big snakes
In Print: Thursday, February 4, 2010


Deputies caught a 12-foot green anaconda last month in an Osceola County horse park. Miami-Dade County trappers encountered African rock pythons, which have been known to eat crocodiles and kill children. Urged on by Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, the Obama administration is moving more quickly than Congress to ban the snakes that pose a serious threat to life and the environment.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has proposed banning nine species of giant constrictor snakes, including the Burmese, North African and South African pythons, the boa constrictor, and the anaconda — green, yellow and Bolivian. It says about 1 million such snakes have been imported in the past 30 years and even more have been bred domestically.

These predatory reptiles should not be sold like puppies, and they are overrunning the Everglades. Last summer a hungry, poorly secured pet python killed a 2-year-old Sumter County girl. Banning their import and interstate sale is the only reasonable response.

While a federal regulatory rule would be welcome, Congress should pursue the legislative ban sponsored by Nelson and Rep. Kendrick Meek, D-Miami. Their bills would restrict importation and interstate sale and transportation of the nine species. Nelson's bill passed a key committee in December and is ready for a vote by the full Senate. It should not be a difficult vote.



Here is the link.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/us-should-ban-big-snakes/1070555
 
Should not be sold like PUPPIES?!

Are we the only group of people who are aware of how much damage, maiming and death dogs cause?

***rest of rant deleted***

I have nothing constructive left to say in this matter.

People (the single most needlessly violent, invasive, ecologically destructive species on earth) suck.
 
Twizted Paths said:
Should not be sold like PUPPIES?!

Are we the only group of people who are aware of how much damage, maiming and death dogs cause?

***rest of rant deleted***

I have nothing constructive left to say in this matter.

People (the single most needlessly violent, invasive, ecologically destructive species on earth) suck.
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Okay, i have known about this invasion of the rights for quit some time, and needless to say i think it is going to pass. Not that i want it too, but just thinking realistically. Now i know transporting the snake across states lines will be illigal, but what if your traveling across state lines and it is a pet? like your moving from one state to the next? You have to then get rid of your pet? Maybe im wrong but from the first statement i got that only transporting them for distribution would then be illigal? not trying to put anyone on the spot, just trying to better understand the dumb law, and waste of time, effort, and OUR money!!
 
It would be a felony to cross state lines with anything that is on the list, even if you were moving. You would have to leave your pet behind.
 
Snake sniffing snakes is just as funny though lol.
I am sick of these "domesticated" animal lovers, why not simply have people register bottom line. You own it you register it. We can locate it back to you. If you are a breeder the same thing. I don't get this country. you get fined for every animal release that simple
 
LMFAO. Dude, people can't even keep their murderous cats indoors.

I don't and won't register any of my animals, there is no benefit for me to do so.
 
Lets just put aside the ridiculous nature of this ban and ask a more simple question.. Why is this ban federal? If the only somewhat legitimate point in this ban is to prevent invasive species why doesn't the state having the problem make its own legislations to do what they feel is necessary.. Why is the whole U.S. being punished? The only other point trying to be made is that they kill people who bring them home as pets? really? lol wayyy more people are killed by pistols they purchase and their children find, try and even mention taking pistols away and see what happens.. Any situation of that matter needs to hold the parent or guardian liable not the responsible herp community. just like when a dog attacks.. they dont ban dogs? and if they do a bully breed ban that is by county not even state.. I honestly do not think this legislation will happen... Washington is about dollar bills, not the concern of people and there is only one organization supporting the ban, the humane society. On the other hand you have zoomed, exoterra, etc etc.. Tons of jobs will be lost, the economy will shutter, and correct me if im wrong but i'd say 90% of the herp community will not comply with the ban and the gov. will not spend a dime extra enforcing this... dont get me wrong we need to fight this as hard as we can regardless.. but the dollars dont add up for washington and while they are going to get a bit of money from the humane society lobbyist group, that wont even dent the amount of money lost on the economic effects of this bill and all the job loss this would cause. I think the only way any sort of legislation would be passed is locally on a city or twp. ordinance probably not even on a state level.. which, if you check your local ordinances, you might already have a large constrictor ban that no one follows or enforces..
Just my 2 cents..
 
This, like any ban or law, will only really stop the honest law-abiding citizens. If this passes, there will still be many a breeder and shop who sell these snakes to idiots who really have no right owning them - like the type who only get them in order to look "cool" but never really give thought to proper care for it. We are all familiar with those types. There will still be a black market trade for them. And even if this law does pass, there is no reasonable way to enforce it - it would simply cost far too much.

I live in Florida, and while I always hear about the pythons that are supposedly running rampant down here, I have yet to see one in person. Not saying they don't exist, but the newsmakers are sensationalizing it in order to make the headlines sell. In fact I know they are.... I work at a zoo, and our own herpetologist was involved in the surveys in the everglades to establish population density of pythons. Their methodology was extremely skewed. The entire everglades ecosystem has not been invaded. There might be 1,500 pythons in one section of it, and that was the sole area they collected samples from, then used the ratio, and applied it to the entire everglades area! the numbers were astronomically incorrect, and stated that the pythons far outnumbered our native alligator population! Totally false - the alligators are still all over the glades, and the pythons not near so frequent outside of the corner they currently inhabit.

And there are animals preying on them - all pythons start out small, and a small python is no different to a predator than a corn snake or milk snake. The young are still being eaten by hawks, bears, fish, and anything else that normally eats similarly sized snakes!

The conditions surrounding the death of the Sumter co. toddler are pure human stupidity on the part of the adult who owned the snake. It was an 8 foot burmese python, he kept in a lidless 55 gallon fish tank, tied up in a pillowcase, with a quilt tied over the top of the tank. IN NO WAY SECURE! and there had been previous escapes. That man should be fined, and jailed, as should all the truly reckless owners of any animals - snakes, dogs, bears, jaguars, hyenas, parrots, etc. If your recklessness cost a life, you deserve to pay for it. Blanket statements don't work - just because one man was horribly irresponsible with his animal doesn't mean we all are, but we are all getting painted the same color here!

Floridians are concerned about our ecology, but let me tell you, it's already screwed. It's just a matter of degree. We are being overrun by invasive animals and plants that are rapidly displacing the local species, and it has been going on for decades, if not centuries. Their efforts are largely too little too late.
 
This is off the reptile subject, but adding to what Jennifer said. I remember watching an episode of Dirty Jobs, they actually have a police unit to catch wild chickens and roosters. That is outragous, that just goes to show you that their is much more than just a "python" problem down their. And a good waste of tax payer money!!
 
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