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Info Selling of possible fake hets by predetors

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Angel Rojas

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His add says that the babies are 100% het for anthrax and axanthic, but the parents of the offspring are: male 100% het for anthrax female 100% het for axantic. Now I'm no genetic genius but a het to het breeding of 2 different genes would make the offspring 50% possible het for those genes. But that's not what caught my eye. What did it was when the add was first posted it stated that the male came from Bob Clark and now it says that the male came from prehistoric pets. I really wish I would have taken a screenhot when the add was posted :( but he's asking a lot of money for animals that may not prove out if the mother and father of the animals is what he say they are. Just a head up to this community.
 
I was able to take some screenshots so hopefully these help.

Here's him saying that the male came from Bob Clark
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Now he says that the male came from Prehistoric Pets
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I agree, it does seem fishy. I don't remember how but can't you see the original post before editing? Some SS's that prove if he first stated the male came from Bob Clark, Nerd, or it started as Prehistoric Pets. And I too believe that a het to het breeding out make a 50% het, but am no expert.
 
Utta said:
I agree, it does seem fishy. I don't remember how but can't you see the original post before editing? Some SS's that prove if he first stated the male came from Bob Clark, Nerd, or it started as Prehistoric Pets. And I too believe that a het to het breeding out make a 50% het, but am no expert.
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Don't quote me on this because snakes may be different genetics than geckos.:shrug01: But if i took a 100% het Tremper Albino to a 100% het Tremper Albino I would get.
25% Tremper Albino
50% Normal het Tremper Albino
25% Normal

But I could be way off track thinking both genetics of snakes and Leo's are the same.

Jeff Wise
 
WiseReptiles said:
Don't quote me on this because snakes may be different genetics than geckos.:shrug01: But if i took a 100% het Tremper Albino to a 100% het Tremper Albino I would get.
25% Tremper Albino
50% Normal het Tremper Albino
25% Normal

But I could be way off track thinking both genetics of snakes and Leo's are the same.

Jeff Wise
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Albino to albino yes. But say you pread a 100% tremp albino to a (don't know about leos but I think there's a het rainwater) what would you get?
 
Utta said:
Albino to albino yes. But say you pread a 100% tremp albino to a (don't know about leos but I think there's a het rainwater) what would you get?
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A 100% het Tremper to a 100% Rainwater would get these results. Not something I would do myself but here is what you would get.

25% Normal het Rainwater Albino het Tremper Albino
25% Normal het Rainwater Albino
25% Normal het Tremper Albino
25% Normal
 
That made no sense. This is like breeding a 100% het. Tremper Albino to a 100% het. Rainwater. (Or something non albino)
 
WiseReptiles said:
A 100% het Tremper to a 100% Rainwater would get these results. Not something I would do myself but here is what you would get.

25% Normal het Rainwater Albino het Tremper Albino
25% Normal het Rainwater Albino
25% Normal het Tremper Albino
25% Normal
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Thank you

This breeding would diminish the het % in the babies correct?
 
WiseReptiles said:
A 100% het Tremper to a 100% Rainwater would get these results. Not something I would do myself but here is what you would get.

25% Normal het Rainwater Albino het Tremper Albino
25% Normal het Rainwater Albino
25% Normal het Tremper Albino
25% Normal
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Forgot to sign.

Jeff Wise
 
Utta said:
Thank you

This breeding would diminish the het % in the babies correct?
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Yeah, there is no way to have a 100% het out of this pairing. If I were to sell this pairing I would sell these as normals and possible het this or that.

Jeff Wise
 
Anthrax and Axanthic are recessive genes. Technically, he could have 100% DH for both. It just depends on his pairing. The first thing I would do is check him out here on the BOI. Secondly, no trust = no buy for me. ;)
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Anthrax and Axanthic are recessive genes. Technically, he could have 100% DH for both. It just depends on his pairing. The first thing I would do is check him out here on the BOI. Secondly, no trust = no buy for me. ;)
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Anthrax is an incomplete co-dom gene Dean. :)
 
It doesn't matter because they couldn't be 100% het for both genes. Each parent is supposed to be 100% het for a different gene. That's like breeding a 100% het albino male to a 100% het genetic stripe female, these are 2 different genes so all of the offspring will look normal, and because of that you won't know which ones are hets and which ones aren't. So they would be called 50% possible het for albino and genetic stripe. Now since the father is 100% het albino and isn't het for genetic stripe you would not produce any genetic stripes for this pairing. The same with the female, she isn't het for albino so you would not produce any albino. Pete's add stated that only one of the parents, the father, was het for anthrax. So how the hell did he produce anthrax in this clutch when the mother didn't carry the anthrax gene??????
 
The Anthrax gene, as said before is an incomplete co-dominant, the offspring come out looking "granite-back" if they are het for the trait. Like Angel said though, breeding a het anthrax to a het axanthic you will result with:

Granitebacks (het anthrax)
and 50% het axanthics
and normals

None of them should be labeled 100% het anything unless they are obvious granitebacks.
 
I don't think even NERD understands the graniteback/anthrax gene as they keep going back a forth between co-dom and recessive. They also have a female tiger for sale that's a possible granite back, which would lead me to believe that it is indeed a recessive gene. I have also heard that the graniteback gene is kind of like the hypo burm. You can have a hypo burm and it not be het for lucy, just like you can have a graniteback and it not be het for anthrax.
 
Angel Rojas said:
I don't think even NERD understands the graniteback/anthrax gene as they keep going back a forth between co-dom and recessive. They also have a female tiger for sale that's a possible granite back, which would lead me to believe that it is indeed a recessive gene. I have also heard that the graniteback gene is kind of like the hypo burm. You can have a hypo burm and it not be het for lucy, just like you can have a graniteback and it not be het for anthrax.
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Sucks when the genes aren't fully understood :( I'm glad you brought the ad to the public's attention though, definitely fishy.
 
Angel Rojas said:
I don't think even NERD understands the graniteback/anthrax gene as they keep going back a forth between co-dom and recessive. They also have a female tiger for sale that's a possible granite back, which would lead me to believe that it is indeed a recessive gene. I have also heard that the graniteback gene is kind of like the hypo burm. You can have a hypo burm and it not be het for lucy, just like you can have a graniteback and it not be het for anthrax.
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Umm, as with albino and amel etc, the "grantie back" gene it might not be visual in tigers/super tigers. Just a thought. Another thing is like the "titanium tiger" and "plutonium" which is the titanium super tiger, and the diffrence is subtle. Could be the same for the tiger/super tiger gene when combined with the graniteback? (Not arguing but simply asking questions)
 
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