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Info Selling of possible fake hets by predetors

Okay, well, you all know the genetics of the Retic morphs more than I do. Here is the thing, check him out on the BOI, if YOU trust him, buy. If not, dont. I personally dont know, nor was I impressed by his photos. One thing I feel is certain though, someone should make him aware of this thread.
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Okay, well, you all know the genetics of the Retic morphs more than I do. Here is the thing, check him out on the BOI, if YOU trust him, buy. If not, dont. I personally dont know, nor was I impressed by his photos. One thing I feel is certain though, someone should make him aware of this thread.
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I don't trust him at all. I've read his BOI threads. And I don't wish to buy from him. (My personal opinion) +I don't have intrest in breeding anthrax. Just stating info that I've noticed. Sorry if I insulted you Dean.
 
Utta said:
I don't trust him at all. I've read his BOI threads. And I don't wish to buy from him. (My personal opinion) +I don't have intrest in breeding anthrax. Just stating info that I've noticed. Sorry if I insulted you Dean.
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Utta, no insult anywhere in your post. I was just stating a fact :p I dont know Retic morphs at all. I just went to the NERD site where he claimed that he got it and looked up that gene is all. I would rather Pete come and explain in here to all of his potential customers, if there are any.
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Utta, no insult anywhere in your post. I was just stating a fact :p I dont know Retic morphs at all. I just went to the NERD site where he claimed that he got it and looked up that gene is all. I would rather Pete come and explain in here to all of his potential customers, if there are any.
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I'd like to hear from pete as well.
 
Yeah I dont think thats somthing I would go for either..Especially when the snake has two different producers??And as you guys said,the genes may not add up right...
 
Does he say that Bob Clark produced it? It might have come from Bob but it might have been one he picked up from someone else...either way Bob's table always has awesome animals and he could tell you for sure the lineage if he produced it.....maybe he got it from Prehistoric? That could make the change in the story true....just a thought....

Angie Martin
 
Well pete posted pix of the parents of these fake hets. Their cages were dirty and they had stuck shed on almost every inch of their body. Not to mention that the pix of the parents clearly shows that they COULD NOT have produced the offspring he claims they did. They look like jamp/mainland crosses.
 
granitebacks look normal, except for their neck patterning. this is the best way tothink of them.
granitebacks are tigers
anthraxes are the supertigers.
this is the best way to describe the genetics. those are anthraxes period. not hets. they are anthraxes, granitebacks and normals. the cages might be dirty but if they were breeding, i wouldnt of cleaned them either to risk disturbing them. the babies look great.. take seperate pics of the babies and you should have no problem selling them.
 
I know how the anthrax gene works, but what you fail to realize is that he said that the father was 100% het anthrax (which would make him a graniteback) and the mother was 100% het axanthic. Those are 2 different genes, so he would NOT have produced any anthraxes and they would NOT be 100% het axanthic. That's like saying that if I breed my 100% het albino tiger to a normal i'll get super tigers and all the babies are 100% het albino. Seeing those pix that pete posted of the parents, I have to say that neither one of those look anything like a graniteback, and I have seen a graniteback or 2. They look like jamp/mainland crosses. As a matter of fact, I posted this earlier, they look exactly like my 75% jamp 25% mainland female and here's her pic for reference

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Ok, I have read enough about this.
Pete I think you used some poor choices in the wording of your ad, as well as an incorrect statement or two (NOT saying intential).
This is a graniteback to graniteback breeding where you produced normals, granitebacks, and anthrax. Neither parent is axanthic, and that gene is poorly understood in this morph, so stating that the babies are 100% het for that is incorrect. Furthermore, not all of these offspring would be het for anthrax...some would be true normal retics. Gavin is correct in stating that there is tremendous variation in granitebacks, some fairly obvious while others look pretty normal (thats the tricky part). Stating that they all are het for anthrax is also incorrect. I also agree with Gavin on this point, scrap your current ad and start over...it would be a lot less confusing.
 
And he even stated that with these babies you could also produce citrons, calicos, and titaniums. Pete doesn't know what he's talking about, and I'm pretty sure his next ad would include more lies because he has all the info now to make it sound legit. Now Greg, let's pretend that you were going to buy my female "graniteback" and I posted the pic of her that I just posted but I didn't tell you the truth (she's 75% jamp 25% mainland), just by seeing her pic would you think she was a graniteback???
 
I didn't see where ha talked about calicos and titaniums coming from this, if so then yes, he would have a lot of explaining to do about that. Just because there is calico in a retics bloodline would have little to do with anything a generation or two away.
Angel, to answer your question, I would need to trust the source of any graniteback I purchased. I would want to see anthrax retics in the clutch. My adult graniteback is not dynamic looking, actually looks rather plain, but is a proven graniteback (has produced anthrax). Most breeders post pictures of the most dynamic looking granitebacks, but again there is a tremdous amount of variation in them.
If those babies are the offspring of the two animals pictured then yes, they are granitebacks. I'm not defending anyone. There are some statements made in that ad that are wrong and should have been questioned. I'm just trying to clarify the genetics.
 
I understand you Greg, but pete stated that only one parent (the father) was a 100% het antrax therefore being a graniteback. So how can you produce anthraxes with only one granite back????
 
You have legit questions that Pete hasn't done a good in answering. I was hoping he would clarify this himself. Right now it seems he hatched some nice looking , fairly rare retic morphs but has no idea what he produced. Pete, any pics of them hatching out?
 
if anthrax is a incomplete dominant there should be no hets right? hets are only for resessives. so for example when paired to a normal the offspring should only be visuals and normals right?
 
The reason why they call them hets is because the parents of the het proved out and produced anthrax, cause from what i've been told not all granitebacks can produce anthrax
 
There are snakes out there that resemble granitebacks, but do not produce anthrax retics. I think that is were the confusion lies. True granitebacks can be very distinctly marked or appear very normal looking, which is why you would have to really know and trust the source of your granitebacks. I have seen and own retics that have a heavy speckled pattern and have even seen some marketed as "granitebacks" that are not genetic.
So to sum this up, as I see it:
1. These offspring are not 100% het axanthic
2. Het anthrax = graniteback, but not all the non-anthrax offspring are granitebacks
3. Granitebacks vary in appearance from fairly normal looking to very distinct

I think there are some very valid points that have been brought up that should be addressed by the breeder.
I usually don't get involved with this too much, but anthrax are one of my favorite projects and I want to set the record straight.
 
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