Inquiry Wise Reptiles/ are they liars?

[Andrews Arboreals]

rabble rabble rabble dey took our jobs

 

[DAND]

Why would you bring my name up in this thread so much? This is between Ed Clark and Wise Reptiles not me I want no part of this thread it is as simple as that. Leave me out of it and as I stated before the Screen shot from another thread was of the exact email I was forwarded if anything was "Edited" I had no knowledge at all of it (I AM NOT SAYNG IT WAS EDITED) and Chris I never showed Ed any emails from you or told him your email address as most of my conversations where with your wife on the phone I don't think you sent me any emails I sent two to you with the link to the auction post through your web site and one I sent based on the email I saw that was forwarded to me..

And so no one things I am ignoring this thread I won't be posting anymore as I simply want no part of it as it is between Ed and Wise Reptiles.

Refresh my memory, were you not the one who posted the screen shot that that started this all after feeling thwarted when your offer to donate an unhatched animals was denied? See what happens when you align yourself with garbage? It becomes difficult to tell the difference between where ed ends and you begin. Maybe in the future you will think before you act. Cause and effect. It is something you should have been taught as a child. Bad upbringing or your inability to grasp the concept notwithstanding it is what it is and now you will have to deal with the consequences.

Note: You may want to have a talk with ed if you want this to stop.

 

[aleria]

127.0.0.1 is what is called a local host ip address. It is the default ip address to your own machine no matter what computer you are on.
If you do what is called a traceroute by opening command prompt(typing cmd in the run box in the start menu), and type tracert 127.0.0.1
you will see that it says localhost, no matter who types it in. It will show this whether you are behind a router, directly connected, or even using dialup.
So this one line here Received: from 127.0.0.1 shows me that it was received by the kingsnake servers FROM the local machine that pasted that information.... which of course would be ed

 

[deborahbroadus]

127.0.0.1 is what is called a local host ip address. It is the default ip address to your own machine no matter what computer you are on.
If you do what is called a traceroute by opening command prompt(typing cmd in the run box in the start menu), and type tracert 127.0.0.1
you will see that it says localhost, no matter who types it in. It will show this whether you are behind a router, directly connected, or even using dialup.
So this one line here Received: from 127.0.0.1 shows me that it was received by the kingsnake servers FROM the local machine that pasted that information.... which of course would be ed

How do you explain Kelli's findings on post 54?

 

[aleria]

Oh, and also the 209.198.140.173 address trace routes back to king8.kingsnake.com, so that's where that ip address came from, it was included of course because of the fact that the email was sent through their servers.
Of course the other 69.147.74.186 as said before traces back to sunnyvale, ca. and to the address web84307.mail.rei.yahoo.com
Which considering the email was sent using kingsnake's servers would look like a default yahoo mail server that was used to route the email being that neither of those in question are located in california, from what I've read at least. And ip address is actually listed in the data below as being owned by yahoo isp and by the yahoo organisation.
"ISP of this IP [?]: YAHOO
Organization: YAHOO "
This information is available at this address http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/69.147.74.186

Emails go through a long list of servers before reaching their destination and this was the server that it happened to bounce through on yahoo's end.

 

[polasian]

the 127 is a router/server ip just like a 192.168.0.1 you get with wifi routers and such. Not a spoof ip at all, its normal from email servers.

209.198.140.173-Austin Texas, sorry ed do better than that. no way a Michigan Comcast residence will have a IP from TX.

So i think its time to upgrade from the shovel and get a excavator to Finish you off.

Yes, you're correct. However, the other two IP's on that E-mail also have nothing to do with who sent nor received it. Those IP's ( 69.147.74.186 / 209.198.140.173 ) relate to Kingsnake & Yahoo. The following is a screen shot from a "Header Tracer." ( for those who'd like to trace that E-mail which Ed received...copy the header that Ed posted here http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=888583&postcount=16 ...and paste it here http://www.ip2location.com/emailtracer.aspx )

Sorry for the confusion of my initial post. The header that Ed posted is irrelevant with regards to who actually sent that E-mail. It does not prove, nor disprove anything.

 

[polasian]

This was the ip address it showed the email originated from:
68.61.46.124

Thank you, Kelli. I have just one more question (if this has already been asked & answered, then I apologize).

Below is the screen shot that Ed posted. On the bottom of said screen shot is Christina's & Jeff's IP. Is that the only place, within that E-mail, where you saw their IP listed?

 

[aleria]

Yes, you're correct. However, the other two IP's on that E-mail also have nothing to do with who sent nor received it. Those IP's ( 69.147.74.186 / 209.198.140.173 ) relate to Kingsnake & Yahoo. The following is a screen shot from a "Header Tracer." ( for those who'd like to trace that E-mail which Ed received...copy the header that Ed posted here http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=888583&postcount=16 ...and paste it here http://www.ip2location.com/emailtracer.aspx )

Sorry for the confusion of my initial post. The header that Ed posted is irrelevant with regards to who actually sent that E-mail. It does not prove, nor disprove anything.

Actually I believe it's entirely relavant as it shows the 127.0.0.1 ip address. The only reason you should see that ip address listed in a header is if the email went out from the computer that it is coming back in to. IE sending an email to yourself
I use gmail and I am going to test this theory. If I send an email from the gmail website to my gmail account I should get the same results in the header. It should show 127.0.0.1 local host at some point in the header being that it was sent out from the same computer that is receiving it.
If one of you can find an email in one of your inboxes that came from a completely outside source that also includes the local host ip in the header then that would very easily prove me wrong on that front.

 

[aleria]

And voila! If sending an email to myself either using yahoo to yahoo or even yahoo to gmail as shown below, I will see the 127.0.01(localhost) ip address in both email headers. And as stated previously, if you can find a single email that came from an outside source that also includes this (which I have yet to be able to find after searching 30+ emails in my own inbox), that would easily disprove this test of mine.
Yahoo to Yahoo

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[aleria]

Forgot to note, it does not matter what email address you use, you could even send an email address from someone else's email account to your own account, as long as it is sent from your computer to your computer, and you will see this 127.0.0.1 ip address.
That is why sending an email from my yahoo account to my gmail account garnered the same exact results as sending from my yahoo to yahoo.
Hope this helps some understand why that particular little bit is rather... damning, in my eyes.

 

[polasian]

How do you explain Kelli's findings on post 54?

If the only place that Kelli saw Christina's & Jeff's IP address, was on the footer of that E-mail that Ed received (as shown in his screen shot), then it doesn't prove that the Wise's sent that E-mail.

The following is a screen shot of an E-mail I sent to Sunshine (Shinezilla) through one of her Kingsnake posts. My IP shows up ( 69.139.51.88 ).

The following is a screen shot of that same E-mail that I had Sunshine forward to my gmail account. I asked her to simply replace my IP with a bogus one ( 11.111.11.11 ).

The IP is displayed within the input content area. I could have asked Sunshine to type in Nicole's IP, and posted that screen shot on her "photoshop" thread, to show that she alters images. Then I could forward that E-mail (with Nicole's IP which was typed in manually) to anyone who wants to confirm my "proof."

I see what you're saying Deb, thats why I'm trying to figure out if Kelli saw the Wises' IP listed anywhere other than on the footer of the E-mail that Ed received. If Kelli's answer is "no," then its Ed's word against Christina's & Jeff's...and personally, I know damn well who I'll believe.

 

[polasian]

Forgot to note, it does not matter what email address you use, you could even send an email address from someone else's email account to your own account, as long as it is sent from your computer to your computer, and you will see this 127.0.0.1 ip address.
That is why sending an email from my yahoo account to my gmail account garnered the same exact results as sending from my yahoo to yahoo.
Hope this helps some understand why that particular little bit is rather... damning, in my eyes.

I thought so too, based on this...

In computer networking, localhost (meaning "this computer") is the standard hostname given to the address of the loopback network interface. The name is also a reserved domain name[1] (cf. .localhost), set aside to avoid confusion with the narrower definition as a hostname.
Localhost always translates to the loopback IP address 127.0.0.1 in IPv4, or ::1 in IPv6.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost

However, view the source of an email that someone else sent to you. 127.0.0.1 still shows up.

 

[aleria]

I thought so too, based on this...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost

However, view the source of an email that someone else sent to you. 127.0.0.1 still shows up.

I wasn't able to find any emails in the 30+ I checked from my inbox that had the 127.0.0.1 address in the header anywhere. May have been pure luck on my part.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Good job Nick and Aleria. Got to love it when the smart kids come out and prove someone wrong. I am pretty sure that the whole reason there is a "screeshot" of the email is for the purpose to deceive us all.

Personally, I wouldnt have even cared if they sent the email out, even when I didnt believe that they did. This should have been a total non-issue since all they are doing is coordinating the auctions and sending out the funds. There hasnt been proxy bids, as all of the bids have been publically posted. They arent receiving animals so Ed, you saying that you would have sent them "anything" is a sort of odd.

Also, I know this has been mentioned before, but why would they go through KS when its so easy to find everyone on here. This wasnt a KS fundraiser, although Chuck may view and post on the forums there. I personally think that it would be a lot easier to find a post here to email you from rather than KS. Then again, why would they even bother.

Nicole, you may be "innocent" in this case, as well as a little naive. However, your guilty by association because you are the one that posted the issue in your thread. If you TRULY knew nothing about this, I would seriously have a lit sit down with your soon-to-husband because he is going to kill off whatever business you have left.

Ed, you know that you are gonna destroy Nicoles business as well as your own by what you are doing right? You should seriously think before you post. Had you of let it go, her thread as well as yours would have dropped until the next complaint.

I have nothing personal against either of you two. But you are really starting to draw a line in the sand for everyone to take sides and well... Its not going to be pretty if you continue to do so.

 

[garweft]

Truth is there is very little, if any, evidence that can be posted on a forum that cannot also be edited and/or modified to say whatever the poster wants. It is very easy to cut and paste edited emails and screen shots can be edited with Photoshop.

When we look at these postings we need to have some sort of trust that the poster is posting the unedited truth. See that's the problem Ed. You could tell me the sky was blue and I would have to dissect your statement to try to separate out the truth from your lies.

This post isn't about a deal gone bad, it's about you having your feelings hurt. Someone told you that your money is no good and now you feel slighted. You say you would have helped, but I see no reply email where you offered anything. Be honest with yourself, your not trying to warn anyone of a dishonest reptile dealer. Your just angry because you feel unwanted so your started another retaliation thread to get back at someone.

And about them not wanting your help. Remember, it was a private issue that no one really paid attention to until you made a big deal about it. If you want you can do what another member here did and post your own auction. Send the proceeds off and when the beneficiaries receive your contribution they can either thank you, or send it back and say no thank you. Either way you will be leaving the decision up to the families who are hurting, and you will have done more than the majority of people posting on these threads..... myself included.

 

[Heart4Dragonz]

STILL!?

Can we start using to BOI for what it's intended for...reading posts of other peoples frustrations is starting to frustrate me. Why couldn't Ed have just wrote to the Wise's and resolved the issue, they're on here ALL the time? They've posted PLENTY of other auctions on here trying to help out the families in need, Ed Clark, YOU are a total fauna lurker, if I've noticed the auctions, then I know you have also.
You know "<b>Board of Inquiry® This forum is provided exclusively for the discussion of specific persons or businesses in the herp industry.</b> NOT "come whine about stupid things you can resolve yourself and make a huge deal out of it".
Stop poking thorns in each others sides, and let the past be the past, I've read SO many post with people attacking each other over the same thing, or past bad deals it's just pathetic.
I get it...Everyone is still pissy with Nicoles lack of business skills, and she and Ed are together or what-not...but really...LET IT GO already!
This isn't a deal gone wrong or bad business practice. I can't believe it's already at 8 pages, over something I see as pretty freaking minute.
Can we PLEASE get back to BUSINESS on this forum!?

 

[capt._howdy]

Amanda if you feel this theat is not intended for the BOI why would you go and bump it back to the top

 

[garweft]

After seeing hot the Wise's really are, I want to be the first to publicly apologize to Ed Clark.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179622

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Well Ed it looks like you are back to all of your old tricks. I never thought you would stoop so low to make yourself look good but it looks like you have far exceeded what I thought you could do. We never emailed you nor would we because Nichole stated in the email to us that we would not associate ourselves with anyone who deals with Ed Clark! Wish we could all see what the instant message was about to Nicole that is in your screen shot. Probably talking about changing everything to suit yourselves.

Jeff WiseView attachment 128432

Ed Clark may be a lying scamming piece of but what does stealing money from benefit auctions make you and your other half Christine?


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179622


Karma is a bitch and I just gave you some negative and I'm sure more negative is coming your way.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Well Ed, looks as though you were right about them being liars but... You could have made just an inquiry about them and not make up the phony email. You would look so good right now had you NOT made the email