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WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT:Pythons yield hides for specialty items

Annabelle,

Is there a law against a hunter selling an animal that he captures? Not being smart, just curious if hes actually breaking a law by buying them.

Also, sorry for speaking for you earlier. I thought thats what you were talking about
 
Im not saying decapitation is perfect and completely painless, Im saying given other options it the best option.
 
Also, and this may or may not be a stupid question, but what does the metabolism have to do with the length of time associated with death? Again not being smart, Im just curious. Ive never heard of that before.
 
Moonstone said:
Freezing reptiles and decapitation are both considered inhumane by the AVA. Freezing makes them immobile, but they can still feel. As they freeze ice crystals form in the muscles and tissues causing an aggonizing, slow death. I see stupid people in forums all the time telling people to freeze their reptiles to kill them. The slow metabolism of the snakes makes decapitation a slow painful process. As someone who kills and processes animals for a living, I am sure he has little compassion for the animals he is killing in these horrible photos.

For the person who feels that removing the snakes from the everglades is going to save our pets, you couldnt be more wrong. HSUS and PETA are backing legislation (a violation of their 501c3 status) to take away our rights to have pets and is using the overstated "problem" of the everglades to justify their agenda of no animals for food, no animals for experimentation, no animals for entertainment (circus and zoos) and no pets. If not the everglades propaganda, they will latch on to something else. Nothing will stop them short of taking away their 501c3 status and exposing them for what they are. There are 250,000 animal rights fanatics holding 63,000,000 pet owning house holds hostage.

Someone else mentioned that these animals are not pets and need to be killed. What do you think happens to the PETS that are turned in in Floridas "pet amnesty" roundups? They probably wind up in the same place while their owners have to live with what they did for their pets own good.
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You kinda went around in a circle with that one but I think I understand. This isn't going to be cut and dry and I didnt mean for it to sound like that. They will always have an agenda. The disposal of the invasive species however can be used as a starting point for "us, the irresponsible exotic pet owners" ( i say that sarcastically of course) to address that specific issue. Are they still gonna fight for us to not be able to eat meat, I'm sure. But most of us arent keeping cows and sheep as pets and there aren't reports of wild cows running around taking over Utah. And if they did by some miracle take that away from us, would we be able to keep cows and sheep as pets then since they aren't food animals? See where I'm going with this? We have to start somewhere. These reptiles are a major concern and something must be done. There are no alternatives. And you cannot equate them with the pets that are turned in on amnesty day. Those are actual pets that the owner is having to give up for whatever reason. They are checked, treated, and whatever can be rehomed is and whatever is deemed unsafe, is probably put down. Will some of them be released into the wild when the new owners get tired of them? That remains to be seen. I would imagine that you have to apply to adopt one of those animals and although manpower is limited, they may or may not have follow ups with people who adopt certain animals. I may be wrong, but in Florida, people are required to have permits for ROC's and have them chipped. I know from shelters up north, you have a certain amount of time to furnish proof of spaying/neutering cats and dogs or there are penalties or the animal is removed from your possession. I would hope the same types of regulations are enforced down south, but I do not know. Whatever the cause of these animals running loose is, we must be the ones to remedy the situation because we are the ones who stand to lose it all.
 
Because of their slow metabolism, their brain can function on very little oxygen, and therefore lives for up to an hour after decapitation. Human brain stops functioning after about 8 minutes. So they suffer for a very long time after you cut their heads off. It is not the quick death it is made out to be. Like freezing, just because they cant move doesnt mean they arent suffering.
 
herpman081 said:
Annabelle,

Is there a law against a hunter selling an animal that he captures? Not being smart, just curious if hes actually breaking a law by buying them.
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I do believe he broke the law, if somebody doesn't beat me to it I'll try find it tomorrow.

Also, sorry for speaking for you earlier. I thought thats what you were talking about
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No offense taken :)
 
HERPMAN

I THINK U REALIZE THAT ITS NOT AS MUCH AS PEOPLE LETTING THEM GO IT THE BREEDING FACILITIES THAT GET HIT BY THE STORMS THAT CAUSED THE BIG PROBLEM
 
In this particular case they made sure to crush the head to be sure the head was dead. But who says that they actually feel the pain an hour after they are decapitated? Yes there may be brain functions but I would dought that they're concious more than a few seconds after. For example if I cut of the blood supply to my brain few more than a few seconds I would pass out. I still have plenty of brain function but I wouldnt be able to recognize pain of any kind. Similarly, I would assume, that if the blood supply was cut off for a snake it would have the same effect. Hence no pain.

Sorry to everyone else for the boring conversation.... Im just really curious and like to learn.:rolleyes:
 
XD - I do think that that plays a part but Im not sure that its the main problem. I could be wrong on that also.
 
I wasnt going around in a circle, I was responding to a number of different posts.

I get what your saying Tony, but here is the deal. The issue of the berms in the everglades is a problem isolated in Florida, but the legislation proposed is FEDERAL. If they pass federal legislation banning or limiting the ownership of pythons, and oh yeah, HSUS had boas and anacondas thrown in there as well while they were at it, the overstated problem in the everglades will still be there. Preventing someone from owning a python in Alaska will not solve south Florida's problem. Remember HR 669? Legislation that would make the breeding, buying, selling, transfering of ownership, transporting across state lines of any pet other than a dog, cat, or goldfish illegal. You would not be able to get new pets, but you can have the animals you have already (just dont plan on relocating). HR 669 would have made exotic pets extinct in a single generation. If these snakes are added to the Lacey act, it becomes a crime to own them.......anyone owning an animal on the Lacey act is a criminal. They will have to be surrendered and killed. The Lacey act is not control or limiting of these animals, it is the elimination of these animals. You hear about the 6 billion dollars a year in damages caused by invasive species. The animal rights groups throw that number around all the time as does Fish and Wildlife and ignorant politicians. Here is the rest of that statement you never hear.....most of those species were government funded introduction programs. The same people who brought you Kudzu and the Cane Toad now want to limit or take away your right to own a pet snake. The problem here is much bigger than the berms in Fla. Our government is being taken over by special interest groups.

Florida's problem needs to be handled in Florida.
 
You pass out from lack of oxygen because of a fast metabolism. Snakes dont have that fast metabolism and dont black out. Who says this the American Association of Veteranarians.
 
So the AVA says it takes an hour for a snake to pass out from lack of oxygen? I only ask because they say that it takes 8 min for a human but that obviously not true. It only takes about 5 seconds. I think theres a misunderstanding here between brain function and conciousness. People lose brain function after 8 min, but they lose conciousness, and the ability to feel pain because they're unconcious, after seconds. Are we talking about the same thing?
 
I agree with a lot of what you're saying moonstone, but I hope your reference to PETA was just for example/

With the accusations against PETA I'd hardly call them an animal rights organization.

You also beat me to the metabolism explanation. For a bit of a visual: Imagine the amount of oxygen that passes through the plastic tubs most breeders keep their ball pythons in. Humans or mammals in general would suffocate in that situation but due to the ball pythons low metabolism the amount of oxygen is fine. If you watch your snakes breathing you'll notice that the only times they breath heavily are when they're excited before striking prey ( in my studies anyway ).
 
Not being a vet, the bottom line as I understand it is snakes do not die quickly from decapitation. They head and neck for lack of a better word live on for a very long time. It was deemed UNACCEPTABLE to freeze or decapitate reptiles by AVA. Mammals are very different than reptiles as far as their functioning. How many people have been bitten by the head of a decapitated snake in the wild, some up to an hour or more after the head was cut off. They recomend burying the head immediately after you cut it off to prevent this.
 
PETA, HSUS, ALF are all animal "rights" groups. The problem is animals do not have rights. Since PETA kills more animals than any other group, by percentage in the US, breaking their own record in 2009, I consider them liars and scumbags. www.petakillspets.com

What would you call them?
 
No, Im saying if you cut off the supply from the neck for example you'll be unconcious in a matter of seconds. This may sound stupid but its like the kids that play the "passing out" game. They simply cut off the blood supply to the brain and they're out in a few seconds. You can hold your breath because your using the oxygen in your lungs and it takes a few minutes for you to use it all. It only takes seconds to use it in the little bit thats left the blood between your neck and your brain
 
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