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New Bearded Dragons :D

Miss Tuniwha

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I just got 2 new beardies this morning.

A female translucent smoothie

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and a male yellow smoothie

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I got them from Mike at Sunshine Dragons.. again :p
 
Woot, seems like someone let the sunshine in! lol :yesnod::rofl:

Way to go, those are sure to be some killer looking dragons.
 
great looking dragons

just a crazy question only loosely related to the topic (sorry dont mean to hijack)
doees the american smoothie line create the same superform that the leather line does (ie silkback)
 
great looking dragons

just a crazy question only loosely related to the topic (sorry dont mean to hijack)
does the American smoothie line create the same super form that the leather line does (ie silkback)

I believe so yes, and I also think they were proven to be interchangeable (like, smoothie + leatherback still = silkies)
 
I believe so yes, and I also think they were proven to be interchangeable (like, smoothie + leatherback still = silkies)

I was under a different impression, because of this:
http://www.mbdragons.eu/en/genetica.html

Go to the very bottom where it talks about the recessive gene (aka, the american leatherback, aka "american smoothie").

In my mind I was thinking:

Italian leatherback = visible het for the super form, aka silkback
American Leatherback = not visible het, but the super form is the american leather.

That's what I've always thought. And interchanging them... i don't know.lol :shrug01:


I could be wrong. Like I said that's just the impression I got from that site.
 
I actually had just two questions:

1. Will a recessive leather bred to another recessive leather give you a silkie?
2. Will a recessive leather bred to an Italian leather give you a silkie?
 
a better breakdown of the smoothie and leatherback difference/genetics.. lol

Let me start with i may not be the best one to fully enlighten you on this subject because there are some gray areas in what i know. (Or think i know)

The Italian Leatherback was started/produced in italy by Allesandro (something). These dragons were imported like many others. A Italian leatherback bred to anything will produce Half clutch Leathers and Half normals. (dont hold me to the exact percentage please) Two leatherbacks bred together produce silkbacks leatherbacks and non-leatherbacks (normals) The Italian leatherbacks produce a nicer smoother Leatherback. You do still get "partial leatherbacks" or a "rougher leatherback" with more tubercule scales. but no where as many. And this line has been proven to throw leatherback babies that are missing some Side spikes,and a few occasions there has been no side spikes!

Gray area
I am assuming The American line leatherback started in the states. I think Anna was the one breeding them. (I cant remember her business name) A American line leatherback bred to a normal will produce half normals and half leathers. ( again dont hold me to the exact percentage). NOW here is where i also think Anna was one of or the first to have silkbacks bred from two American leatherbacks. This line produces Less smoother animals. You do still get a few That are fairly smoother, but not as many. you get more babies that are kinda rough or have more raised tubercule scales. I dont breed many American leathers to know much more about them. Actually I only have 1 female from that line.

Does a Italian leatherback and a American leatherback crossed make Silkbacks? As i have not done it. I heard that it does and a few claim it strengthens there lines. No chance of inbreeding. I am assuming.

BUT, now your crossing TWO separate leatherback lines. Your kinda killing the purity in each leatherback line in away. You changing the pattern and IMO you would make a smoother gene (the Italian line) un-smooth by crossing a rougher leatherback into the mix. Also what if someone doesnt want to breed for the American line and its already in the bloodline? That could be another HUGE problem in its own. PROBLY why its not being done.

I actually had just two questions:

1. Will a recessive leather bred to another recessive leather give you a silkie?
2. Will a recessive leather bred to an Italian leather give you a silkie?

I do Believe that a Recessive leatherback is a separate gene Than the Italian Leatherback and The American Leatherback. The Italian line and the American line are co-dom traits. The Recessive leathers is just that, a Recessive trait.

1. I think a recessive leather crossed to a recessive leather give you leatherbacks. I think its like saying "het" leatherback crossed to a "het" leatherback

2. Only if the Italian leatherback is also a "recessive leatherback" Or "Het leatherback"

You really dont find to many recessive leatherbacks unless you run across some of Josh D. Lines or someone that is breeding from his stock.

If anyone else can correct my Gray areas, I among some/many others would love to have the knowledge.
 
I actually had just two questions:

1. Will a recessive leather bred to another recessive leather give you a silkie?
2. Will a recessive leather bred to an Italian leather give you a silkie?

Actually sitting back re-reading question 2. the answer is no.

I think it would have to be a leatherback from two recessive leatherbacks crossed to another leatherback from two separate recessive leatherbacks, to produce silkbacks from a recessive leather
 
So wait - there are 3 types of leatherbacks? I was under the impression that there were only two types, The co-dom Italian leathers, and the American leathers (I thought that american leathers were the recessive leathers?)

Well, now i'm somewhat confused. I knew it was more complex than I had it in my mind, So i'm glad that I only mess with the Italians lol.
 
Maybe another thread should be started were kinda running into Brandi's thread. I am sorry.
BTW, those are some nice animals. Mike is a great guy!
 
The answer is yes i produced silks with the same father to another amreican het.....and i got 5 out of 14 smoothies.

Thanks to heidi at caliente dragons !!!

Mike
 
The answer is yes i produced silks with the same father to another amreican het.....and i got 5 out of 14 smoothies.

Thanks to heidi at caliente dragons !!!

Mike

Yep. I exchanged some messages with Caliente Dragons and they told me the same thing, and mentioned you. :yesnod:


And also, the only reason that I'm even interested in any of this is because I have a hypotrans female that could possibly be het for the recessive leather, she has very smooth reduced scales and the breeder (a very reputable one) said there could be some recessive leather in her.
 
Oh yeah, also I was told the way I would know if she does have some recessive leather in her, was if i bred my Hypo het trans Italian leatherback to her, and I got a larger percentage of leatherbacks (statistically speaking) when I bred them together.
 
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