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Need help dragons dieing.

Tere Salazar said:
You don't look bad at all in my eyes, in fact, quite the opposite. You look like someone who loves their dragons and is doing their best to find answers as to what happened. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be trying to figure it out.
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Agreed.
I know I've seen in the past where people have lost even larger numbers than you have at this point and kept it completely hush hush just because they were afraid of what it would do to their business. And in the long run it not only hurt/destroyed theirs but hurt those who ended up having whatever illness it was spread to their collections.
It's great that you're not only looking for answers but doing so out in the open on this forum. Looking for assistance and ideas from anyone here along with continuing to keep everyone updated on anything you do find out is a really great thing for anyone who may end up in your situation in the future.
 
I now lost a male, he wasn't housed with any dragons of mine. Besides having Tracie test for adeno and anything else they can find. I also want to check if maybe its food Related.

Does anyone know of a place i can send feeder samples to, so they can test them as well. I want cover all the bases now and just be sure of whats going on, and how they got this way. Thanks
 
ace9916 said:
I now lost a male, he wasn't housed with any dragons of mine. Besides having Tracie test for adeno and anything else they can find. I also want to check if maybe its food Related.

Does anyone know of a place i can send feeder samples to, so they can test them as well. I want cover all the bases now and just be sure of whats going on, and how they got this way. Thanks
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Oh, no. I'm so sorry. Please tell me it wasn't the boy you were telling me about yesterday. We've got our fingers crossed and are saying our prayers that it's done and you don't lose any more.

I wish I had an answer on where to send feeders. I wonder if Tracie might have some ideas?
 
What do you clean your cages with...bleach,etc...just wondering if it's a REMOTE possibility that there is a residue,possibly not rinsed off? I highly doubt it but....just in case? And surely no one is looking down on you for anything,as Tere said,just the opposite.
 
What kind of tests do you need done on the feeders? I may have someone who can help you.
 
Tere Salazar said:
Oh, no. I'm so sorry. Please tell me it wasn't the boy you were telling me about yesterday. We've got our fingers crossed and are saying our prayers that it's done and you don't lose any more.

I wish I had an answer on where to send feeders. I wonder if Tracie might have some ideas?
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No luckily it hasn't been the big guy yet. At the moment he's still doing great eating like crazy and putting on some great weight. He jsut finished shedding and is really showing off his citus color.
 
frillielover17 said:
What kind of tests do you need done on the feeders? I may have someone who can help you.
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I'm looking to see if they can test the feeders for any type of bacteria, perasites, anything really that they might be hosting and passing on to my dragons. This would be just to check if there is any possibility of being the problem or to go ahead and rule them out.
 
ace9916 said:
No luckily it hasn't been the big guy yet. At the moment he's still doing great eating like crazy and putting on some great weight. He jsut finished shedding and is really showing off his citus color.
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Thank God.

I PMed a friend of mine who works in a lab for humans, hoping he might have some contacts in entomology, and just emailed with Tracie, who is going to do some checking, as well.
 
angie.h said:
What do you clean your cages with...bleach,etc...just wondering if it's a REMOTE possibility that there is a residue,possibly not rinsed off? I highly doubt it but....just in case? And surely no one is looking down on you for anything,as Tere said,just the opposite.
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I use bleach maybe about half a cap full to every 2 liters or so. when I spray and clean I remove the sliding glass so it has better air flow and dries quicker. In the mean time the dragons are taking a bath in their tubs. Then I go over it with a damp cloth( water) and let it dry. Usually i fan dry also with one of the lids to the tubs. Once its all dry I set the new newspaper down their bowls and then the dragons.

This was another thing i have taken into mind but having lost so many in different enclosures my odds would have to be really high to say its from poison. But i have considered using other methods. I was readding the other day how some use lemon juice, vinegar and other products and have been looking into changing over.


P.S. Sorry if my spelling is off a little I'm at working and doing this at the same time.
 
ace9916 said:
I'm looking to see if they can test the feeders for any type of bacteria, perasites, anything really that they might be hosting and passing on to my dragons. This would be just to check if there is any possibility of being the problem or to go ahead and rule them out.
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On my forum my moderator does tests on feeder insects. If you want, I can ask him for more information or to email you with more info on having them tested. He's in school to become an exotics/reptile vet. If you can, PM me your email address and I will try to get back to you ASAP
 
aleria said:
Agreed.
I know I've seen in the past where people have lost even larger numbers than you have at this point and kept it completely hush hush just because they were afraid of what it would do to their business. And in the long run it not only hurt/destroyed theirs but hurt those who ended up having whatever illness it was spread to their collections.
It's great that you're not only looking for answers but doing so out in the open on this forum. Looking for assistance and ideas from anyone here along with continuing to keep everyone updated on anything you do find out is a really great thing for anyone who may end up in your situation in the future.
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Thank You I don't mind sharing. I'd rather learn and here from others experiences then to stay quiet and never get an answer. Just like how I'am right now I wouldn't be able to rest much if I never found out what happened.
 
angie.h said:
That seems like a lot of bleach. Again...I'm just guessing.
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OOoopsss Sorry i didn't say what kind of cap I use its not big its a small water bottle size lid. I forgot what the mix ratio is but if i had to guess its about a small thimble size amount, or just under it. I can almost never even smell the presence of the bleach in the water. For this reason I keep the bottle up high where no one but me can get it. Dont want anyone drinking it my mistake.
 
ace9916 said:
I use bleach maybe about half a cap full to every 2 liters or so. when I spray and clean I remove the sliding glass so it has better air flow and dries quicker. In the mean time the dragons are taking a bath in their tubs. Then I go over it with a damp cloth( water) and let it dry. Usually i fan dry also with one of the lids to the tubs. Once its all dry I set the new newspaper down their bowls and then the dragons.

This was another thing i have taken into mind but having lost so many in different enclosures my odds would have to be really high to say its from poison. But i have considered using other methods. I was readding the other day how some use lemon juice, vinegar and other products and have been looking into changing over.


P.S. Sorry if my spelling is off a little I'm at working and doing this at the same time.
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Natural products would be the way to go. I have been keeping up on your thread and am sorry for your losses. I have currently just got some dragons and would be devastated if I lost one. I had three and Wednesday I got two more from Terri so I'm up to five and love everyone. So I'm just curious as to what were the potential causes and would like to improve on my husbandry if at all possible. I use bleach in the same way and am always wiping the cages down with clean water after the bleach and I'm so cautious wipe it down a second time with water. If you find another cleaning solution I would love to here of it.
 
I just spoke to one of my old suppliers and they just told me that their is a virus going around with crickets. That if you have crickets here in the south west corner they are like gold. Just about evryone here in the west cost has either little or no crickets to sell.
 
See, to me (keeping in mind I'm certainly no professional), that makes so much more sense with your colony than Adenovirus. The speed with which you've lost such a large number of adult dragons is just not like anything I've heard of or experienced with Adenovirus.

However, if that might be the case, I'd sure attempt to find out who else has dragons that bought from the people you bought from and around the last time you did...and see if they're having any issues with their dragons. Therein, your answer may be.

Did you notice your feeders having any issues at all before you starting losing dragons?

Edit: Sorry, went back and read...saw this was previously addressed.
 
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Wow, this is scary, very sorry to hear what is going on.

On the possible issues with the bugs, is this from certain suppliers, or all the cricket companies?

It feels like more and more, not even just for dragons but for people as well, if you want to be safe you really have to produce your own stuff(veggies etc).
 
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