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Gulf of Mexico oil geyser

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Anyone else getting an uncomfortable feeling in the pit of their stomach about that oil geyser in the Gulf of Mexico? Let's see, they are estimating 5,000 barrels of oil per day are coming out of that hole. That's 210,000 GALLONS of crude oil every day. The fix that BP is talking about implementing by drilling another hole to tap into and close the leaking one will take them an estimated 3 months to complete. At the current rate, we are talking about 18,900,000 MORE gallons of crude oil on top of what has already come up up to now.

And I have heard rumors that the entire thing could blow open increasing the flow 10 fold.

I don't know, but I think they really need to come up with a better solution to implement RIGHT NOW.

Connie and I are planning on renting a place down on Sanibel Island near Ft. Myers, FL this Fall. Any bets on that beach not being an oil stained mess at that time? How many other people do you think are backing out of plans to go to the beaches this Summer? This will likely kill the seafood industry and sport fishing in much of the Gulf states and likely up the eastern seaboard when the oil flow goes through the Keys and into the Atlantic.

I don't think the terrorists could have come up with a much better plan to cause America even more economic strife.
 
It's a real shame. I live in Florida just above Clearwater and I know you live in Florida. They say that if our beaches get covered in oil it will more then likely bankrupt the state. There will be no tourist money. Hell, there aren't any jobs now, and we have one of if not the highest unemployment rate in the country. I have been unemployed since July of last year. When the tourist stop coming to Florida we will have 50% unemployment rate. I got a bad feeling about this.
 
I feel uncomfortable about it, too. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to, but I'd love to see some more urgent response to this. It seems like they're moving in slow motion.
 
Yeah... and I believe all of the really bad news we are hearing is actually downplaying the true story. I think there is a real good chance that the well will empty completely as there is really nothing they can do about it. Obviously the oil is under a lot of pressure to push out of that hole in that depth of water. So until the pressure of the oil equalizes with the pressure of the column of water above it, it's going to just keep coming out.

So the REAL question is, how much oil is actually in that well that will eventually be circulating the oceans and making landfall all over the place?

And what happens if an early season hurricane comes up into the Gulf next month? June IS the beginning of hurricane season.

Well, so much for my Florida retirement fund...... :(
 
I feel uncomfortable about it, too. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to, but I'd love to see some more urgent response to this. It seems like they're moving in slow motion.

They are moving in slow motion. The reason is because there was no plan in place if something like this should happen. I think BP executive should be prosecuted for this.
 
This oil catastrophe could end up being the worst in the history of the world. Here are some comparisions.

The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989, when the Exxon Valdez, an oil tanker bound for Long Beach, California, hit Prince William Sound's Bligh Reef and spilled an estimated minimum 10.8 million US gallons (40.9 million litres) of crude oil. It is considered to be one of the most devastating human-caused environmental disasters ever to occur in history. As significant as the Valdez spill was -- the largest ever in US waters -- it ranks well down on the list of the world's largest oil spills in terms of volume released.

The Exon Valdez is probably the one that comes to mind to most americans.

Now check this out.

A List of 12 of the Largest Oil Spills in History

12. The Torrey Canyon Oil Spill - March 18, 1967
Location: Scilly Isles, UK
Amount of Oil Spilled: 25 - 36 million gallons

The Torrey Canyon was one of the first big supertankers. It was also the source of one of the first major oil spills. Although the ship was originally built to carry 60,000 tons, it was enlarged to a 120,000 ton capacity. She was carrying this full capacity of oil when she struck a reef off the coast of Cornwall.

The spill created an oil slick measuring 270 square miles. It contaminated approximately 180 miles of coastland and killed over 15,000 sea birds and enormous numbers of aquatic animals before the spill was finally contained.

11. The Sea Star Oil Spill - December 19, 1972
Location: Gulf of Oman
Amount of Oil Spilled: 35.3 million gallons

The South Korean supertanker, Sea Star, collided with a Brazilian tanker, the Horta Barbosa off the coast of Oman

10. Odyssey Oil Spill - November 10, 1988
Location: off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada
Amount of Oil Spilled: 40.7 million gallons

This spill occurred approximately 700 nautical miles off the coast of Newfoundland.

9. M/T Haven Tanker Oil Spill - April 11, 1991
Location: Genoa, Italy
Amount of Oil Spilled: 45 million gallons

This oil tanker exploded and sank off the coast of Italy killing six people and leaking its remaining oil into the Mediterranean for 12 years after the sinking. The source of the explosion was alleged to be the poor state of repair the ship was in. Supposedly the Haven was scrapped after being hit by a missile during the Iran-Iraq War and then put back into operation.

8. ABT Summer Oil Spill - May 28, 1991
Location: approximately 700 nautical miles off the coast of Angola
Amount of Oil Spilled: 51-81 million gallons

This ship exploded off the coast of Angola creating an oil leak that discharged massive quantities of oil into the
ocean.

7. Amoco Cadiz Oil Spill - March 16, 1978
Location: Portsall, France
Amount of Oil Spilled: 69 million gallons

One of the most notorious oil spills in history, the Amoco Cadiz was caught in a fierce winter storm that damaged its rudder. The ship put out a distress call that it was no longer able to maneuver. Several ships responded, but none were able to stop the massive ship from running aground. On March 17th, the gigantic supertanker broke in two sending all of its 69 million gallons of oil into the English Channel. The ship was later sunk by the French.

The wreck of the Amoco Cadiz is located HERE.

6. Castillo de Bellver Oil Spill - August 6, 1983
Location: Saldanha Bay, South Africa
Amount of Oil Spilled: 79 million gallons

The Castillo de Bellver caught fire approximately 70 miles north west of Cape Town, South Africa. The ship drifted before breaking in two 25 miles off the coast. The ships stern sank in deep water still carrying approximately 31 million gallons of oil. The bow section, was towed away and deliberately sunk.

To read more about the Castillo de Bellver Oil Spill, click HERE.

5. Nowruz Oil Field Spill - February 10 to September 18, 1983
Location: Persian Gulf, Iran
Amount of Oil Spilled: 80 million gallons

This spill was the result of a tanker collision with an oil platform. The platform tilted and was closed, but the weakened platform collapsed sending oil spewing into the Persian Gulf. Delays in getting the leak capped were caused by the ongoing Iran-Iraq War.

To read a detailed description of this oil leak and subsequent oil leaks in the Nowruz Oil Field, click HERE.

4. Kolva River Oil Spill - September 8, 1994
Location: Kolva River, Russia
Amount of Oil Spilled: 84 million gallons

A ruptured pipeline caused this enormous oil spill. The pipeline had been leaking for eight months, but the oil was contained by a dike. When the dike collapsed, it sent millions of gallons of oil into the Russian Arctic.

To read more about the Kolva River Oil Spill, click HERE.

3. Atlantic Empress Oil Spill - July 19, 1979
Location: Off the coast of Trinidad and Tobago
Amount of Oil Spilled: 90 million gallons

This Greek oil tanker was caught in a tropical storm and collided with another ship, the Aegean Captain. The damaged ship continued to lose oil before finally sinking on August 3,
1979.

2. Ixtoc 1 Oil Spill - June 3, 1979 - March 23, 1980
Location: Bay of Campeche off Ciudad del Carmen, Mexico
Amount of Oil Spilled: 140 million gallons

This oil spill didn't involve a tanker, but rather an offshore oil well. Pemex, a state-owned Mexican petroleum company was drilling an oil well when a blowout occurred. The oil ignited causing the drilling rig to collapse. Oil began gushing out of the well into the Gulf of Mexico at a rate of 10,000 to 30,000 barrels a day for almost an entire year beforeworkers were finally able to cap the well and stop the leak.

1. Arabian Gulf/Kuwait - January 19, 1991
Location: Persian Gulf, Kuwait
Amount of Oil Spilled: 380-520 million gallons

Ironically, the worst oil spill in human history wasn't the result of an accident. During the Gulf War, Iraqi forces, attempting to thwart a potential landing of American soldiers, opened the valves at an offshore oil terminal and dumped oil from several tankers. The oil they released created a 4-inch thick oil slick that covered 4000 square miles. To put it in perspective, that's enough oil to cover the entire state of Rhode Island one foot deep in oil.

How does the Exxon Valdez oil spill rank in comparison?
When the Exxon Valdez ran aground on March 24, 1989 off the coast of Alaska, it spilled 10.8 million gallons of oil along 1100 miles of Alaskan coast. The spill could have been much worse - the Valdez was carrying 53 million gallons.

In terms of sheer volume, the Exxon Valdez spill ranks as the 35th worst oil spill in history. As frightening as that spill was, it's even more frightening to consider that there are 34 oil spills even worse.


Here is a link.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/454782/the_worst_major_oil_spills_in_history.html?cat=37
 
Damn... that's a LOT of oil that has been spilled over the years. But I guess the world survived it. Sort of, anyway.
 
I am very concerned. Thought these were some interesting tidbits:
"Oil bubbling up from the Gulf of Mexico wellhead, which sits more than 5,000 feet (about 1,500 meters) below the water's surface, is coming from even deeper inside the Earth. That means the oil is heavier and thicker than the crude spilled in past, tanker-based disasters"

"the dense oil mixes with water to form an emulsion, a sort of gooey, chocolate mousse-like substance"

The story goes on to describe how this is even harder to clean up and even more detrimental to wildlife :(
(from: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100504-science-environment-gulf-oil-spill-dead-zone/)

Interesting and scary interactive map showing the spill:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/oil-spill-map.htm

I hope the weather cooperates so they can hopefully sop up the mess before it creates too much damage.


****
(stupid humans)
 
The chief executive of BP sold £1.4 million of his shares in the fuel giant weeks before the Gulf of Mexico oil spill caused its value to collapse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html

Goldman Sachs sold $250 million of BP stock before spill

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0602/month-oil-spill-goldman-sachs-sold-250-million-bp-stock/









BP buys Google, Yahoo search words:Is it to keep people from real news on Gulf oil spill disaster?
http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Political-Spin-Examiner~y2010m6d6-BP-buys-Google-Yahoo-search-engine-words-to-keep-people-away-from-real-news-on-Gulf-oil-spill-disas
 
I am very concerned. Thought these were some interesting tidbits:
"Oil bubbling up from the Gulf of Mexico wellhead, which sits more than 5,000 feet (about 1,500 meters) below the water's surface, is coming from even deeper inside the Earth. That means the oil is heavier and thicker than the crude spilled in past, tanker-based disasters"

"the dense oil mixes with water to form an emulsion, a sort of gooey, chocolate mousse-like substance"

The story goes on to describe how this is even harder to clean up and even more detrimental to wildlife :(
(from: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100504-science-environment-gulf-oil-spill-dead-zone/)

Interesting and scary interactive map showing the spill:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/oil-spill-map.htm

I hope the weather cooperates so they can hopefully sop up the mess before it creates too much damage.


****
(stupid humans)


It's much worse than those stories make it out to be...... Not to mention the ban on exploration is going to cause the loss of anywhere between 75,000 and 150000 jobs statewide. So no seafood industry... no oil industry..... that's louisiana's top industries.....

things are really desperate down here...... I have an uncle that is a shrimper... he was helping the cleanup using his boat to skim.... he hasnt seen a dime from BP and had to eventually stop doing the work because of chemical pneumonia... from all of the fumes......

We just got our state back on track after Katrina and Rita.... and now this....

BP only shows up to clean the beaches when officials come down from Washington.... then they leave as soon as the visit's are over......

Im an Environmental Scientist by trade... so I guess I will have a little job security.... but I really feel for the thousands that will lose everything...
 
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/06/05/amount-neurotoxin-pesticide-corexit-sprayed-bp-tops-1-million-gallons/

"BP’s latest oil spill response update for June 4th says the total amount of the dispersant used in the Gulf of Mexico more than 1,021,000 gallons.

But what most people don’t know is that the active ingredient of the toxic chemical dispersant, which is up to 60% by volume, being sprayed by BP to fight the Gulf oil spill is a is a neurotoxin pesticide that is acutely toxic to both human and aquatic life, causes cancer, causes damage to internal organs such as the liver and kidneys simply by absorbing it through the skin and may cause reproductive side effects.

In fact the neurotoxin pesticide that is lethal to 50% of life in concentrations as little as 2.6 parts per million has been banned for use in the UK since 1998 because it failed the UK “Rocky shore test” which assures that the dispersant does not cause a “significant deleterious ecological change”.

Corexit has also earned the highest EPA warning label for toxicity which means the effects of the toxic chemicals to the eye are corrosive resulting in irreversible destruction of ocular tissue and other tissue with corneal involvement along with an burning that can persist for more than 21 days and effects to human skin are corrosive resulting in tissue destruction into the dermis and/or scarring.

Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics was later linked with widespread long lasting health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders.

The “Human Health Hazards” are said to be “Chronic” for Corexit EC9527A according to the EPA.

So What Are These Dispersants Made Of That Makes Them Such a Powerful Neurotoxin Pesticide?

The main ingredients of Corexit is 2-Butoxyethanol which can make up to 60% of the dispersant and is known to be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, and the central nervous system (CNS).

2-Butoxyethanol is also known to cause cancer, birth defects and has been found to cause genetic mutations and is a delayed chronic health hazard as well as an environmental hazardous material

Corexit also contains Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide.

How effective is Corexit in dispersing Gulf crude?

Corexit 9500 is only 54.7% effective and Corexit 9527A is 63.4% effective in dispersing the crude oil found off the shores of South Louisiana.

Why allow the use of these toxic dispersants?

Well the EPA has ordered BP to stop using the dispersants but BP has refused.

The EPA justifies the use of dispersants because they are less toxic than oil and the cause less of an environment impact that oil along the coastline.

However the choice of using Corexit contradicts both of those justifications.

Corexit is lethal in as little as 2.6 parts per million where oil is lethal in 11 parts per million meaning that Corexit is over 4 times more toxic than oil.

Furthermore scientific studies show that oil dispersed with Corexit is 11 times more lethal than oil alone.

In fact the study referenced showed that crude oil was lethal at 4250 parts per million to killifish but combination of oil mixed with Corexit was lethal in as little as 317.7 ppm.

“Dispersed oils were more toxic than crude oils,” noted the report.

The other justification of lessening the environmental impact along the shoreline doesn’t hold up either as the reason Corexit was banned in the UK is because it was in fact shown to have a “significant deleterious ecological change” on the shoreline.

The fact Corexit is 4 times as toxic as oil and up to 11 times as toxic when combined with oil it literally makes no sense to allow the use of such a toxic chemical that can “delete” the ecological systems along the Gulf coast.

A report in the journal Environmental Toxicology a decade ago concluded that lethality levels in “dispersed oil combinations were significantly more toxic to these organisms than .. crude oil.” Another study, this time of snails and amphipods reached exactly the same conclusion.

What are the long term effects of Corexit?

The EPA has stated over and over that the long term effects of the use of Corexit are unknown yet there is plenty of data documenting the long term effects on humans (see below).

Further making the EPA claims questionable is EPA’s Deepwater horizon response sites site clearly states that between 1 million and 2.5 million gallons of the neurotoxin pesticide Corexit was used in the 1979 ixtoc oil spill which makes it unfathomable that the EPA doesn’t know what the long term effects are of a chemical that has been widely used, and eventually banned in certain countries, over a period of 30 years.

To the contrary of the EPA’s statement scientific studies widely state Corexit 9527 has been tested extensively in the laboratory and used on oil spills since 1978 and a considerable number of toxicity reports exist concerning a wide variety of species.

So why does the Federal Government continue to tell us the the long term effects of the dispersant usage are unknown?

Why does the Federal Government continue to pretend like they know so little about the dispersant BP is being used?

What are the chemical components of the dispersants COREXIT 9500 and COREXIT 9527?

While the main ingredient which makes up to 60% of Corexit is reason enough to cause concern.

If you dig any more dirt on these let me know.

The components of COREXIT 9500 and 9527 are:CAS Registry Number Chemical Name
57-55-6 1,2-Propanediol
111-76-2 2-butoxy-Ethanol
577-11-7 Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1)
1338-43-8 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate
9005-65-6 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs.
9005-70-3 Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs
29911-28-2 2-Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy)-
64742-47-8 Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light
The have also been found to contain Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide among other heavy metals


What are the Chronic Health effects of Corexit?

Here are some of the highlights from the MSDS for the active ingredient (2-butoxyethanol) – of Corexit (up to 60% by volume)
Severe over-exposure can result in death.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast.
The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, central nervous system (CNS).
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
Repeated exposure to highly (this) toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
Hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator), of ingestion, of inhalation.
May cause adverse reproductive effects (maternal and paternal fertility, fetoxicity)
May cause birth defects (teratogenic)
May cause cancer (tumorigenic)
Penetrates intact skin easily and can cause systemic effects and central nervous system depression
Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract. May affect behavior (analgesia), behavior/central nervous system (headache, drowsiness, dizzness, stuttering, coma, weakness, ataxia, slurred speech, loss of coordination and judgement, personality changes, analgesia, blurred vision, tremor, excitement, somnolence), sense organs, the gastrointestinal tract (nausea, vomiting), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), respiration (dyspnea), urinary system (kidneys – hematuria, albuminuria, polyuria, oliguria, renal failure), liver (liver damage).
Exposure to high vapor concentration may also cause corneal or lens opacity of the eyes.
Ingestion: Causes gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. May affect behavior/central
nervous system (see inhalation), respiration (dyspnea), metabolism, cardiovascular system.
Chronic Potential Health Effects: Inhalation and Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated inhalation or ingestion may affect the liver, blood (changes in red blood cell count, pigmented or nucleated red blood cells, microcytosis with or without anemia, erythropenia, reticulocytosis, granulocytosis, leukocytosis), urinary system (kidneys -hematuria), metabolism (weight loss), endocrine system (spleen, thymus, pancreas). Prolonged or repeated inhalation of high concentrations may also cause lung hemmorrhage, congestion, bronchopneumonia.
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-1A: Material causing immediate and serious toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-2B: Material causing other toxic effects (TOXIC)

What does the EPA say about the human health effects expected as a result of using the dispersants?

The EPA warning about human health affects says

People working with dispersants are strongly advised to use a half face filter mask or an air-supplied breathing apparatus to protect their noses, throats, and lungs, and they should wear nitrile or PVC gloves, coveralls, boots, and chemical splash goggles to keep dispersants off skin and out of their eyes. CDC provides more information on reducing occupational exposures while working with dispersants during the Gulf Oil Spill Response."
 
Hmm, this is rather interesting....









You know, you can find TONS of videos on YouTube on just about anything you want to.... EXCEPT, apparently, videos of the oil spill effects taking place in Louisiana. Using search keys such as "oil spill", "oil spill Louisiana", etc, don't pull up ANY videos newer than a week ago, and most are a month or older. Maybe I'm just not using the best search functions, but this certainly seems odd to me...
 
Maybe this is why you can't find much on the oil Spill.

BP buys Google, Yahoo search words:Is it to keep people from real news on Gulf oil spill disaster?
http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Political-Spin-Examiner~y2010m6d6-BP-buys-Google-Yahoo-search-engine-words-to-keep-people-away-from-real-news-on-Gulf-oil-spill-disas

I listened to the James Fox interview yesterday and it's obvious there is a big cover-up on the seriousness of what happened and what's to come of it.



Have you read this? http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182391

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I live on the southern East coast, and I'm Horrified that it's going to makes its way over here. I've been looking at the photos from the areas it's already hit and it's really upsetting. Tourism is already taking a hit this summer, Florida is sueing for 100 Million, the last I heard to try and promote tourism and cover up the bad press about the oil affecting us...Oil's gonna be more devistating to the everglades than snakes could've Ever been. -.-
You get more attention and help from the gov. when there's a natural disaster than we've had with this oil spill. It's ridiculous how little they seem to be doing.
 
Personally, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that anyone is spending ANY money at all for propaganda in order to mollify people's fears of what is actually taking place in the Gulf of Mexico. Spend that $100 million, or whatever, or trying to CONTAIN and FIX the problem rather than try to snow the public into ignoring it so the local governments can get those tourism dollars. With this sort of attitude, I believe that a LOT of people will have to become sick and suffering from swimming in contaminated waters before local government will admit it and have tourism suffer accordingly. Heck, look at some of the pics you see where people are covered head to toe in hazmat clothing doing cleanup right next to people on the beach wearing bathing suits. What's wrong with that picture?
 
Agreed Rich. I couldn't care less if people get sick from going into the water, they've gotta be blind, deaf and have some screws loose to think that's okay(use common sense, it's an oil spill, stay the hell out of the affected waters). I feel worse for the animals getting caught up in it and the potential it has to push already threatened species closer to extinction. This hurricane season is suppose to be a beastly one, and if any of them make it into the golf with all that oil, we're screwed beyond belief. I feel really bad for Louisiana, as if they haven't been through enough the past few years...
 
Yeah, Connie had been planning on splurging by getting a beach house down in Sanibel Island in the fall for a month, but just the other day I cancelled that rental, thinking that the beaches and water won't be fit to be near. No way we are going to spend that kind of money to have a miserable time next to an oil and tar soaked beach. The rental company told us that if we stuck with our reservation (we had up to 90 days prior to checkin to cancel and get our deposit back) we would get a refund IF the city of Sanibel closed the beaches during our stay there. I decided to NOT trust local officials to look out for our best interests and safety.

Of course, not the rental company is saying that the refund of our deposit will be minus a "cancellation fee" as well as $450 that was supposedly for "travelers insurance". :rolleyes: Looks like I have to fight with yet someone else to keep from getting screwed....
 
That sucks Rich. Sounds like they're trying to Hug onto as much money as possible knowing how bad this summer's going to be for rentals, hope you can get more of it back. I wouldn't trust the companies and local officials either, especially with how disparate they already seem to still try and make some money...Scary. Find somewhere oil free to vacation :)
I'm hoping I'll still beat the oil to the Keys the end of this summer, I've never been, and would like to go before everything is ruined. :-\
 
That sucks Rich. Sounds like they're trying to Hug onto as much money as possible knowing how bad this summer's going to be for rentals, hope you can get more of it back. I wouldn't trust the companies and local officials either, especially with how disparate they already seem to still try and make some money...Scary. Find somewhere oil free to vacation :)
I'm hoping I'll still beat the oil to the Keys the end of this summer, I've never been, and would like to go before everything is ruined. :-\

I think you had better hurry if you want to go to the keys. Actually a good idea... maybe Connie and I need to drive down there REAL soon. It might be decades before we will see unspoiled areas along the coastline again.
 
I'll have to see if I can't push my vacation a little closer and get down there...I've never seen the beaches on the west coast either :(... 1 good thing about being in West Palm, it's only a few hours drive to either place...just finding the free hours is the problem. I'd like to see a little bit of everything here before devastation hits, won't ever be the same again.
I'll be volunteering at the beaches here if the oil does make it this far...still hoping it won't but realistically....not lookin good.
 
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