Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

[LauraB]

Not long before the Wise's started the... hmm, not sure WHAT to call it, now that the details have emerged... "for" Maggie, they set up a fund raiser for this site. I believe that video of Jeff laying in the snow doing a snow angel and then jumping into the river naked was part of it. In any event, money was collected by them and then forwarded to me. Sorry, but if the evidence that is being displayed here is even half true, I have absolutely NO desire to have any money that came from their hands in my own hands, so I have forwarded those funds to Maggie.

Now THAT'S a man, Jeff. Pay attention and learn.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Exactly!!!

You'll never salvage your reputation, but maybe some integrity would show true remorse. You getting YOURSELF help does nothing for the family this all was supposed to benefit to begin with.

Sadly don't sense any remorse from Jeff or Christina, I think they are both being selfish by trying to shift blame.


True integrity can only come from confessing to the police voluntarily.

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[HyderHouseHerps]

I disagree that they are experienced rip off artists. None of the math ever added up and all the documents appeared falsified. It was EASILY detectible. If you're going to try to pull off a scam, at least be good at it and make it for an amount of money that is worth it. Rediculous!

 

[amercnwmn]

I've rarely posted here, but this deserves a comment.

Shame on you Christina and Jeff. Jeff is an addict, clearly, and you are an enabler!

I have had 5 knee surgeries in the past year and NOT ONCE have I stooped so low as to volunteer to hold a benefit for someone in need and stolen money from them. Believe me times were TOUGH when I got FIRED for telling my boss I needed surgery. They were even TOUGHER when my insurance was dropped and I was denied unemployement. I fought it, I scraped and I scrimped and I came out OK. I have a TON of medical bills soon to be rolling in, but I never STOLE in order to pay my bills!!


If you can't accept responsibility and sell whatever you have to on the side of the freaking road to come up with the money you NOW OWE to that poor woman, you deserve to sit in jail. But hey, look at the bright side, no worrying about paying that light bill.

There is a special place in you-know where for people like you.

Blaming it on Jeff's knee, an aunt dying, a $700 light bill, and boas you bought on b-day money is CRAP. Complete and utter CRAP. Money was DEDICATED to go to Maggie, PERIOD. Not to a funeral, a car rental, a light bill...dope..etc.

We ALL have experienced things like that...For example, MAGGIE who lost her HUSBAND and FATHER to THEIR KIDS and had HER own bills to pay.. Or did you conveniently forget about WHO it was for when you got that money in your greedy little paws?


Jeff's aunt dying, well ya know what? This was Maggie's HUSBAND and FATHER TO THEIR KIDS. If HE hadn't passed and YOU hadn't had access to money intended for THEM, then what would you have done? Not gone to the funeral?? Why do I have the sinking feeling this "aunt's funeral" ended up being somewhere near a reptile show?

$700 light bill?? Sounds to me that you have had some financial problems for quite some time if you neglected to pay a light bill THAT long that it was due to be shut off. I'm familiar with shut offs, unfortunately. You don't get a notice the DAY before it's supposed to be shut off, and you KNOW you didn't pay the bill on time and it was due before you get that nice little warning.


The sad thing is, and I really hope you read this and I hope somewhere in that shrivelled up grape you call a HEART, it sinks in, if you'd have ASKED for help.. I bet people on this site and others would have helped YOU just like they TRIED to help Maggie & her family during a hard time.

The reptile community is a family, and we stick together. We HELP each other, not steal each other blind.
You stole from all these wonderful people, and a nice widow and HER KIDS.
You don't belong in this community. You belong in the general population of the county lock up.
SHAME ON YOU BOTH.

 

[dturner100]

Tomorrow morning I am meeting DAND and giving him reptiles to cover all of this. I am gonna probably give him our whole collection. This will be made right tomorrow morning. I am sorry it has happened and that is all I can say to resolving this issue is I am meeting with DAND in the morning

This will be a DAMN GOOD START. I will quit posting anything until there's word of whether or not Jeff follows through. I hope he does.

 

[dustinntech]

I really hope that you giving animals to them doesn't make you think that it will get you off scott free. You still stole from a family in need. You still conned many people and commuted fraud. You deserve to goto jail and pay them back.

 

[amercnwmn]

I agree, it's a start, depending on what they have left and what condition it's in. If Jeff truly is having a drug addiction, and from the sound of it, it's pretty serious or they wouldn't be neglecting utilities and stealing from a widow with children...then I'd be willing to bet they don't have much left as it is...
I'd insist on legal repercussions even if the money is returned. Sometimes you have to teach people a lesson. I'm sure this isn't the first time they've "robbed Peter to pay Paul".

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Well, you should post more often. Great post.

I've rarely posted here, but this deserves a comment.

Shame on you Christina and Jeff. Jeff is an addict, clearly, and you are an enabler!

I have had 5 knee surgeries in the past year and NOT ONCE have I stooped so low as to volunteer to hold a benefit for someone in need and stolen money from them. Believe me times were TOUGH when I got FIRED for telling my boss I needed surgery. They were even TOUGHER when my insurance was dropped and I was denied unemployement. I fought it, I scraped and I scrimped and I came out OK. I have a TON of medical bills soon to be rolling in, but I never STOLE in order to pay my bills!!


If you can't accept responsibility and sell whatever you have to on the side of the freaking road to come up with the money you NOW OWE to that poor woman, you deserve to sit in jail. But hey, look at the bright side, no worrying about paying that light bill.

There is a special place in you-know where for people like you.

Blaming it on Jeff's knee, an aunt dying, a $700 light bill, and boas you bought on b-day money is CRAP. Complete and utter CRAP. Money was DEDICATED to go to Maggie, PERIOD. Not to a funeral, a car rental, a light bill...dope..etc.

We ALL have experienced things like that...For example, MAGGIE who lost her HUSBAND and FATHER to THEIR KIDS and had HER own bills to pay.. Or did you conveniently forget about WHO it was for when you got that money in your greedy little paws?


Jeff's aunt dying, well ya know what? This was Maggie's HUSBAND and FATHER TO THEIR KIDS. If HE hadn't passed and YOU hadn't had access to money intended for THEM, then what would you have done? Not gone to the funeral?? Why do I have the sinking feeling this "aunt's funeral" ended up being somewhere near a reptile show?

$700 light bill?? Sounds to me that you have had some financial problems for quite some time if you neglected to pay a light bill THAT long that it was due to be shut off. I'm familiar with shut offs, unfortunately. You don't get a notice the DAY before it's supposed to be shut off, and you KNOW you didn't pay the bill on time and it was due before you get that nice little warning.


The sad thing is, and I really hope you read this and I hope somewhere in that shrivelled up grape you call a HEART, it sinks in, if you'd have ASKED for help.. I bet people on this site and others would have helped YOU just like they TRIED to help Maggie & her family during a hard time.

The reptile community is a family, and we stick together. We HELP each other, not steal each other blind.
You stole from all these wonderful people, and a nice widow and HER KIDS.
You don't belong in this community. You belong in the general population of the county lock up.
SHAME ON YOU BOTH.

 

[Strike_Force_Reptiles]

ok i have a few questions for you....
like some others have said on here how are you going to finish paying for the reptiles you still owe on?
2) how are you going to finish paying Maggie the rest of the $ if the sales from the reptiles dont cover all of it?
3) dont you think what you put Maggie through on this should be worth more $ to her?

why not send her more $ for putting her and her family through this?
i better hear good things about this within the next 24hrs or i will contact the FBI, your state SBI, your county DEA, and child protective services myself. this is down right stupid you yall to do. there is no sense in it what so ever and i am fed up with dealing with people like you. the whole world is going to hell because people like you multiply. people like you are the cause of tighter laws getting passed and only the good people suffer. GET A JOB GET A LIFE AND GROW THE UP!!! PAY THE WOMEN HER $!!!

 

[HyderHouseHerps]

I agree, it's a start, depending on what they have left and what condition it's in. If Jeff truly is having a drug addiction, and from the sound of it, it's pretty serious or they wouldn't be neglecting utilities and stealing from a widow with children...then I'd be willing to bet they don't have much left as it is...
I'd insist on legal repercussions even if the money is returned. Sometimes you have to teach people a lesson. I'm sure this isn't the first time they've "robbed Peter to pay Paul".

 

[chongorojo]

Not long before the Wise's started the... hmm, not sure WHAT to call it, now that the details have emerged... "for" Maggie, they set up a fund raiser for this site. I believe that video of Jeff laying in the snow doing a snow angel and then jumping into the river naked was part of it. In any event, money was collected by them and then forwarded to me. Sorry, but if the evidence that is being displayed here is even half true, I have absolutely NO desire to have any money that came from their hands in my own hands, so I have forwarded those funds to Maggie.

WAY TO SEND THE MESSAGE Rich!! And that's why I love this site! To the yet uncleaned garbage of fauna GET...... OUT......NOW.

 

[ssssnakeman]

Karma is coming

 

[deborahbroadus]

Karma is coming

Karma is HERE..it's just not done with them, yet.

 

[SPJ]

Amazing!

Everyone is trying to get the word out on these con artists and non reptile related forums have links to this thread on them BUT..........Redtail Boa dot Net won't post the link.

WTH! The mods over there didn't approve it when I submitted it.

Post the damn link so people are aware of this!

 

[TattooLost]

My god people...

Jeff is no drug addict... They just think that it's the best excuse to garner some sympathy. They don't want to come out and say "we saw all that money and got greedy" so they probably sat around after the proverbial poop hit the fan, and came up with "drug addict." Then, it's an excuse for the evil they did, and then maybe it'll get some feeling sorry for at least poor, poor Christina, if not for both of them.

I really wish everyone could see just how hard I'm rolling my eyes right now.

Sell some of the drugs, and buy my damn step-daughter the headstone she still deserves... I'm about ready to throw my computer through the window I'm so mad.

 

[mechnut450]

Mr Wise I know knee pain I got 2 bad knees ( i am disable due to cerebral palsy) and I still push though each day trying to do stuff i have not business doing.( think that why I was just pushed though school cause they knew I never hold a job being disable ). My problem with my knees are simple it pops ( like people do with the knuckles) I am on the ground no warning no nothing.. On top of this they bother me just trying to walk into a store and getting a few items Like cloths or what not. I been told i need to start using a walker or even consider a wheelchair before I breaks something.

I am was vicion( spelling I get the knock of genic kind) but I can't take it so I they something weaker ( not as effective but I suffer though each day) I have not taken funds ( rob peter to pay paul as the saying goes). If your cutting grass it a simple as picking up an odd job or 2 on the side of the grass cutting to make extra money. I done it many a time mostly to help people out. The grass cutting Id and extra jobs are exercise for me since I prefer not to sit home all day. but am limited in what i ca do.. what little money I make does cover all my grass cost and does help with my reptile removal hobby so I never really make a profit.

Getting yourself to a doctor that will do more than push pills will help too. I actually looking at knee repalcement but I am too young at 33. Selling the reptiles would of been the more mannly thing to have done since any reptile collection can be rebuilt.

Stuff like pets, internet cell phones are all extras in life that can be done with out in times of need. I can't see how you get a 700 buck electril bill unless not paying it for a while The place I live is all electric and it makes out at 230-300 a month and that with the reptile stuff running 24/7 ( which is only about 30 bucks more than before I had snakes ( and them properly set up)

I tihnk you all may needot consider an accountant or a proper guidance to cover your bills and such, ( i do help my sister and her husband stick to a budget( as said roughly in a boot I read - all living thing have a budget even the this huge tower runs on a budget )

I will push myself until the gay my legs no longer work or I dye which ever happens first I will know that I never gave into stealing to do so.

 

[amercnwmn]

His eyes look glassy enough..I dunno..? The whole "stupid criminal" aspect of posting a fake check with obvious errors, hiding from the fit when it hit the shan, etc.. really reeks of the scattered, unplanned, scams a druggie tries to pull off.
It's not an excuse, nor is it any more acceptable than if they were clear headed when they pulled this crap.

I certainly don't feel sorry for a drug addict. The only person who can change you, is you.
I used to BE in that life, and I have ZERO tolerance for people who use their addictions as an excuse for bad behavior and those that enable it.

Let's just say, they'd be better off in jail for a year or so, untill things calm down, if I were them, I'd be terrified to be recognized on the street right now.

 

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by WebSlave
Not long before the Wise's started the... hmm, not sure WHAT to call it, now that the details have emerged... "for" Maggie, they set up a fund raiser for this site. I believe that video of Jeff laying in the snow doing a snow angel and then jumping into the river naked was part of it. In any event, money was collected by them and then forwarded to me. Sorry, but if the evidence that is being displayed here is even half true, I have absolutely NO desire to have any money that came from their hands in my own hands, so I have forwarded those funds to Maggie.

Thanks. That's going above and beyond. You da man.

 

[brd7666]

My god people...

Jeff is no drug addict... They just think that it's the best excuse to garner some sympathy. They don't want to come out and say "we saw all that money and got greedy" so they probably sat around after the proverbial poop hit the fan, and came up with "drug addict." Then, it's an excuse for the evil they did, and then maybe it'll get some feeling sorry for at least poor, poor Christina, if not for both of them .

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

My god people...

Jeff is no drug addict... They just think that it's the best excuse to garner some sympathy. They don't want to come out and say "we saw all that money and got greedy" so they probably sat around after the proverbial poop hit the fan, and came up with "drug addict." Then, it's an excuse for the evil they did, and then maybe it'll get some feeling sorry for at least poor, poor Christina, if not for both of them.

I really wish everyone could see just how hard I'm rolling my eyes right now.

Sell some of the drugs, and buy my damn step-daughter the headstone she still deserves... I'm about ready to throw my computer through the window I'm so mad.

I think you're right about the piss poor excuse of being a drug addict but hey they have to shift the blame on someone or something.