Info Just got this from SYR

[brd7666]

If yes to either then you are breaking the rules of Fed Ex. No double standards here guys. If you expect Robyn to follow the rules and you want to chase him around on here for it, then you had better be following the rules your self.

Here is where you are wrong. If an individual takes it upon himself to ship in violation of terms, then any consequences of those actions are on them, and them alone.

If someone uses a middle man to ship something that is in violation if the shipping company's terms and is lead to believe that it is allowed by the middle man, that is wrong. Keep in mind, the middle man is making a profit on every package sent, regardless of what the package contains.

You should try to understand better, what I have refered to as a numbers game.

 

[brd7666]

Steph,

No, its not my job to defend him. What I want to see is a lack of double standards. If folks want to jump on Robyn about following rules then they should already be following their own rules. Simple. Robyn is a big boy and can defend himself if he so chooses.

There is a big differencs of an individual breaking the rules and a middle man breaking the rules, that is possibly misleading people into thinking they are allowed to ship certain products throught their service. It's one thing for an individual to ship against the terms, but when you have a middle man who's service you are using, now, they are shipping your product against the terms, and making a profit off of it.

 

[Gecko_Den]

If someone uses a middle man to ship something that is in violation if the shipping company's terms and is lead to believe that it is allowed by the middle man, that is wrong.

Unfortunately, your entire argument is predicated on the fact that SYR did not have a waiver to ship snakes. This has yet to be proven true or false; until it is proven either way then you are merely speculating and presenting opinion as fact...

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I'm not interested in getting into the middle of this discussion as in my opinion it has taken a turn from informative to petty bickering, but when I prepare a shipment on-line via fed-ex it tells me if it is going to a business or residence when it does the address verification. Just putting it out there, and yes I am guilty of breaking this rule. I was unaware of the policy change and as stated earlier my waiver doesn't mention anything about shipping only business to business, but my ignorance of the rule change doesn't alter the fact that I was shipping in violation of FedEx policy...

Perfect! Never noticed that. I remember being able to select Residential or Business from a drop down, but nothing that was automated. I haven't shipped anything out via FedEx in quite a bit, is it something new they've developed?

 

[Southern Wolf]

"As to shipping business to business.... I can not go around and check to see if everyone that purchases from me has a valid business license or DBA."

Kevin,

That is exactly what Fed Ex is expecting you to do. It is your job to follow the Fed Ex rules, so if they say no shipping to a residence for snakes then that is the rule you have to follow.

Have you shipped to residence's before under your waiver? Will you continue to do so?

If yes to either then you are breaking the rules of Fed Ex. No double standards here guys. If you expect Robyn to follow the rules and you want to chase him around on here for it, then you had better be following the rules your self.

How does one ship directly to a customers door under a Fed Ex waiver if that is against the waiver? Maybe somebody needs to change their website and shipping practices to reflect the recently uncovered Fed Ex rules. It wouldn't even take 10 minutes to make those changes.....right guys?

Here let me quote FedEx's rules for you

If approved by FedEx, we may accept non-venomous reptiles, amphibians, live/tropical fish and beneficial insects on an exception basis under the following conditions:

1. Shipments must be from a business to a business (from a breeder to a pet store, for example).

NO WHERE in their rules does it say the business have to be in a commercial location.

It says ... shipments must be from a business to a business and the example that THEY give is from a breeder to a pet store. THEREFORE they consider a breeder a business. Otherwise... why use it in their business to business analogy. They dont stipulate how big of a breeder you have to be.... it just says breeder.

So UNTIL they change their policy.... I am shipping business to business. I am also in compliance with federal law by marking my boxes according to the lacy act.

 

[Gecko_Den]

Perfect! Never noticed that. I remember being able to select Residential or Business from a drop down, but nothing that was automated. I haven't shipped anything out via FedEx in quite a bit, is it something new they've developed?

Steph, I haven't shipped anything via FedEx since last year but it was a feature back then, and for some time before if I remember correctly. I only really remember because I used to run the address verification prior to completing the shipment so that I would remember to add the additional charge for residential delivery into my shipping invoices.

 

[Gecko_Den]

Here let me quote FedEx's rules for you



NO WHERE in their rules does it say the business have to be in a commercial location.

It says ... shipments must be from a business to a business and the example that THEY give is from a breeder to a pet store. THEREFORE they consider a breeder a business. Otherwise... why use it in their business to business analogy. They dont stipulate how big of a breeder you have to be.... it just says breeder.

So UNTIL they change their policy.... I am shipping business to business. I am also in compliance with federal law by marking my boxes according to the lacy act.

I'm playing devils advocate here, but in order for your example to be correct you would need FedEx to define "breeder"; in their mind a "breeder" may have to be someone who is a fully licensed "business". Also, while you may be able to justify that you are a legally licensed breeding "business", in your example wouldn't the recipient have to adhere to whatever requirement FedEx wants to also be considered a "breeder" in order for both requirements to be met?

 

[Southern Wolf]

ummmm my biz is legit.... I have the papers filed with the courthouse... and I file my taxes as a business.

But if we are gonna have to have FedEx define words.... why not go all out and have them define "for". It makes about as much sense.

Breeder = someone that breeds animals. It doesnt matter if it is one clutch or 100 clutches.... your still breeding your animals.

 

[dragonlvr64]

Fed Ex residential description

"Residential delivery" means a delivery to a home or private residence, including locations where a business is operated from the home.


So any of us operating our business out of our home are considered residential, not a business. So that would be in violation of Fed Ex terms

 

[dragonlvr64]

Fed Ex business description

"Business delivery" means any delivery that is not a residential delivery

 

[brd7666]

Unfortunately, your entire argument is predicated on the fact that SYR did not have a waiver to ship snakes. This has yet to be proven true or false; until it is proven either way then you are merely speculating and presenting opinion as fact...

SYR has never proven that they did have a waiver. All of these people that have used them for a shipping service used them without ever being shown that their packages were being shipped in a legitimite manner.

It's a shame that so many people defend SYR when in fact they have never been shown any proof that SYR was in fact allowed to ship snakes. All of these people put their packages in SYR hands without ever being shown anything. Just because someone says they have something, doesn't mean they really do.

I have explained the numbers game already, I suggest you look at it again.

 

[dragonlvr64]

I did have one question though. Why can't the waiver be made public? Is it because someone could copy that public posted copy and try to doctor it for their own personal waiver? Just curious.

Hoping Robyn can answer this for me...or maybe someone else has asked and have the reply?

 

[Gecko_Den]

ummmm my biz is legit.... I have the papers filed with the courthouse... and I file my taxes as a business.

But if we are gonna have to have FedEx define words.... why not go all out and have them define "for". It makes about as much sense.

Breeder = someone that breeds animals. It doesnt matter if it is one clutch or 100 clutches.... your still breeding your animals.

I'm not going to butt heads with you, you've already shown you're not flexible or interested in a point of view that differs from yours in previous threads.
I will say that your definition of the wording used by FedEx is irrelevant. They hold the power to let you ship, or not let you ship and as is the case when it comes to big businesses the only definition of "breeder" in this case that matters is theirs. If it makes you feel better you can continue to state that you are following FedEx rules ad nauseam, but until you have definitive proof of their interpretation of their rules, it is a moot point...

 

[Gecko_Den]

SYR has never proven that they did have a waiver. All of these people that have used them for a shipping service used them without ever being shown that their packages were being shipped in a legitimite manner.

It's a shame that so many people defend SYR when in fact they have never been shown any proof that SYR was in fact allowed to ship snakes. All of these people put their packages in SYR hands without ever being shown anything. Just because someone says they have something, doesn't mean they really do.

I have explained the numbers game already, I suggest you look at it again.

I'm not defending SYR. But by using your own line of thinking and making a simple edit, your own statement against them can easily be true about your argument...

It's a shame that so many people attack SYR when in fact they have never been shown any proof that SYR was in fact not allowed to ship snakes. All of these people put their packages in SYR hands without ever being shown anything. Just because someone says they don't have something, doesn't mean they really don't...

 

[brd7666]

If a person is a customer of SYR, they should have the right to view this so called documentation, because they are trusting what they are saying. If SYR refuses to let a customer see this documentation then they do not have it. It would clearly set a customer at ease and it would offer reassurance.

UPS clearly states that snake shipments are not allowed. SYR has never shown that they had any waiver that said otherwise. If you are a paying, legitimite customer of SYR, then you should be entitled to this this so called waiver.

 

[Gecko_Den]

I have explained the numbers game already, I suggest you look at it again.

I already read your opinion on the "numbers game", there's no reason to read it again. It is based on your interpretations, not proven facts. While I respect your right to your opinion and your right to draw your own conclusions based on assumption and personal interpretation, I see no need to let it sway my opinions....

 

[Gecko_Den]

If a person is a customer of SYR, they should have the right to view this so called documentation, because they are trusting what they are saying. If SYR refuses to let a customer see this documentation then they do not have it. It would clearly set a customer at ease and it would offer reassurance.

UPS clearly states that snake shipments are not allowed. SYR has never shown that they had any waiver that said otherwise. If you are a paying, legitimite customer of SYR, then you should be entitled to this this so called waiver.

On this we are in total agreement!

 

[Southern Wolf]

Fed Ex residential description

"Residential delivery" means a delivery to a home or private residence, including locations where a business is operated from the home.


So any of us operating our business out of our home are considered residential, not a business. So that would be in violation of Fed Ex terms

show me where FedEx says a business HAS TO BE commerical property. They dont! They just describe the difference between commercial and residential.

 

[Clay Davenport]

NO WHERE in their rules does it say the business have to be in a commercial location.

It says ... shipments must be from a business to a business and the example that THEY give is from a breeder to a pet store. THEREFORE they consider a breeder a business. Otherwise... why use it in their business to business analogy. They dont stipulate how big of a breeder you have to be.... it just says breeder.

So UNTIL they change their policy.... I am shipping business to business. I am also in compliance with federal law by marking my boxes according to the lacy act.

ummmm my biz is legit.... I have the papers filed with the courthouse... and I file my taxes as a business.

But if we are gonna have to have FedEx define words.... why not go all out and have them define "for". It makes about as much sense.

Breeder = someone that breeds animals. It doesnt matter if it is one clutch or 100 clutches.... your still breeding your animals.

Doesn't really matter how legit you are in a legal or tax sense. If your legitimate business is operated out of your home it is considered a residence by FedEx.
You can repeat all you want that you are a business and any other like breeder is also a business, but it won't change the fact you also live there and are therefore a residence as far as FedEx is concerned.

Next time you're scheduling a shipment on the FedEx site, click on the "help" link at the top of the section where you enter the recipient's address.
In the page that pops up you will find this:

This is a residence (U.S. only)

* Select this option to indicate that you are shipping to a residence within the U.S. instead of a business address. A residential address is a home or private residence, even if a business is operated from the home.

What that means is if you are shipping to an address where someone lives, regardless of whether they operate a business from there or not, you are violating the terms of the shipping waiver.
You can interpret that one sentence you keep quoting to mean you are within the rules all you want, but FedEx states in a number of places on their site exactly what they define as a business or residence.

 

[Gecko_Den]

If a person is a customer of SYR, they should have the right to view this so called documentation, because they are trusting what they are saying. If SYR refuses to let a customer see this documentation then they do not have it. It would clearly set a customer at ease and it would offer reassurance.

UPS clearly states that snake shipments are not allowed. SYR has never shown that they had any waiver that said otherwise. If you are a paying, legitimite customer of SYR, then you should be entitled to this this so called waiver.

Oops, we are in total agreement except for the part where you jump to this conclusion:

If SYR refuses to let a customer see this documentation then they do not have it.

Failure to show the document does not prove that it doesn't say they can or cannot ship snakes.