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Bad Guy Nicole Norton (Howlin Gale' Dragons)

I haven't read much on this since I can already see that this is a loss cause once again for Nicole on someone else's dime. Unfortunately, it happened to a buddy of mines (Paul).

Paul, I hope things work themselves out, but seeing her track record, this can only end with nothing resolved. Sorry doll, I know you were super stoked about the pairing while in incubation. And it sucks she burnt you like that specially since you guys were buddies.

I can see Nicole having to locking her ads again, if she hasn't done so already.
 
Nichole you have made Fools out of some of us who tried, "to help you" and the Facts are present over and over again you are a Bad Buisness Person!
 
Yeah that does put this place in a precarious position on her...I know people need to do their own research..But she has multiple bad guy threads,but also has a god guy cert..?.Thats a mixed message..I mean,she does actually ship someone the dragon when they order it..The problem is, it maybe be falsley represented...Plus her TOS are horrible and she dosnt care about friends or customers..Its pretty evident alot of people have had problems and she does NOTHING to make it all right...I feel for any customer who gets played by her..She just cant see how she is,which has been losing her more and more businness...Some people would just rather give someone a frown then a smile..
 
I have never even thought about buying from her after threads about medicating her own Dragons all the time like it was Routine for them to be sick,or she has had a lot of sickness Experience I Guess?
 
man what i dont understand is why does she still have a good guy certificate that part just BLOWS MY MIND.i along with many others feel that should be pulled she isnt a good guy.

You should contact Rich, she doesn't display the certificate on her websites homepage like the program requires so it should be suspended. Other than that the only way to get it suspended is if she has more negative feedback rating than good, or if her "poll" in her good guy certification thread has zero "good guy" votes. I don't see how that would happen though as long as she still has the ability to vote herself a good guy...:shrug01:
 
I would also like to see proof these conversations where Nicole told Paul she hadn't had the chance to prove out the trans side. However, putting up an ad for an animal that has changed hands several times, claiming the animal is double het when no one has proven the trans het is shady at best. Quite frankly, it does not matter what you were told about the dragon, Nicole. You sold it with certain genetics, and that means you are responsible for the genetics you claim--no one else. Once you get your customer squared away, then, and only then, can you go to whomever you got the dragon from and complain to the person who sold him to you about the possible incorrect genetics. Eventually, it will get back to the person who originally bred the dragon, and that guy will have to deal with it. But if you get a het from someone and don't prove it out yourself (no matter what species you're dealing with), to be an honest seller, you should state that you bought it from so-and-so as a het but you were unable to prove the het.

For example, I have a 50% het Albino ball python I got from a friend's 100% het x normal pairing. The person she got the 100% het from is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt my snake is 50% het. However, her 100% het has never been proven, and if I decided to sell him, I would never, ever sell him as a 50% het. I'd sell him as a "possible het" (no numbers) with an explanation of where the possible het may be coming from. To sell him as an actual 50% het would be, in my opinion, a shady business practice. But then, maybe I'm the crazy one.... :shrug01:

Also, paperwork is only as trustworthy as the person printing it up. The only paperwork I would even remotely trust, in this case, is the guarantee from Dragonz Whispers, which should have been given to the friend, and then should have been given to Nicole when she bought him from the friend. Paperwork from anyone else in this transaction would not mean anything.


I have never even thought about buying from her after threads about medicating her own Dragons all the time like it was Routine for them to be sick,or she has had a lot of sickness Experience I Guess?

Medicating one's own critters does not automatically imply it's done often. If I could get my hands on some flagyl, I'd gladly medicate my own reptiles if I found they had flagellates. As long as someone knows how to identify them on a microscope and can do simple math to calculate dosages, I don't see why there would be an issue with it.
 
I totally agree with what you said I too have Lets say Hospitalized with my medical training
He he wich is not much! I Meant to say with her Hook Up with Ed she learned alot about
trying to fix sick animals that they have made Sick with their Buy em,Sell em Fast methods
 
Many breeders are able to treat their stock for parasites. You just just have to be accurate and know the dosages well.

But... I believe the Good Guy standing has already been brought up in a previous [BAD GUY] thread for Miss Norton and I'm not too sure if anything has been done about it. Does she still carry it on her page or on any of her posts?
 
Well all we can do is hope her time here comes to an end soon..Obviously her mentallity isnt good for a place like this....
 
man what i dont understand is why does she still have a good guy certificate that part just BLOWS MY MIND.i along with many others feel that should be pulled she isnt a good guy.

Yeah, maybe someone should look into that, I think I will. I may not remember right but I always thought if the bad guy votes exceeded the good guy votes, the cert was pulled but maybe I just misread.
 
Yeah, maybe someone should look into that, I think I will. I may not remember right but I always thought if the bad guy votes exceeded the good guy votes, the cert was pulled but maybe I just misread.

Correct me if I am wrong..But I dont think Ed had one,and I thought it was cause of all his bad guy votes..??..So how Nicole keeps her's ,even with negative trader ratings is a big mystery to us..
 
Correct me if I am wrong..But I dont think Ed had one,and I thought it was cause of all his bad guy votes..??..So how Nicole keeps her's ,even with negative trader ratings is a big mystery to us..

Am asking now, will post when I hear answer.
 
The withdrawal is not automatic. The polls are audited periodically, and measures are taken accordingly.
As far as Ed - I don't recall him ever having a GGC One of the requirements is that the holder must have it displayed on his/her website...meaning there has to be a website.
 
Nicole is not displaying the certificate on her site, so I don't understand what all the fuss is about :shrug01:
 
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