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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Dennis Hultman said:

They don't have a car that will get them to Texas. Besides, they are banking on collecting their state financial support. They can't take off even if they wanted.
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By the way, the truck Jeff is using belongs to Mr. Hart. When a warrant is issued and If Jeff gets picked up while driving it, I hope he realizes its going to get impounded. There may/or not be some claim that it was used in the for the purpose of committing the crimes outlined in this thread. Considering that it was used for the sole purpose of driving to different locations to remove the funds.
 
I think the government takes welfare fraud quite seriously. I imagine Jeff and Christina took advantage of every opportunity she could find to make an easy "buck". Hats off to you Dennis!:bow01:
 
Casey Hulse said:
I think the government takes welfare fraud quite seriously. I imagine Jeff and Christina took advantage of every opportunity she could find to make an easy "buck". Hats off to you Dennis!:bow01:
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What they need to realize is that it's not only what law enforcement or what a court might bring against them. It's the shame this is going to bring to them throughout their lives, forever. This isn't something that you can just state you made a mistake about. They even had an opportunity to correct it and backed out at the last minute. No, what Jeff and Christina need to realize is that eventually everyone they know will find out their crime here.

Jeff has a boy that I believe he is fourteen now. Christina's not his mother and he doesn't live with him, but one day he will find out what his father has done.
His son is going to know that his father would go so low as to steal from a widow and her children. Amazing that he could do it in the first place but just disturbing if he can live with the fact.

The three other children living in the home Christina's daughter who is five and their two kids they had together. One is three and the other is only one and a half. What are you going to tell them, Christina? When they are older they will find out. Can you really live with it? Can you really?

Are you going to tell her that when you were caught doing this horrible act that you tried to make it right or are you going to have to tell her the truth, that you were so vindictive when caught that you went after the widow for eight hundred more dollars? One day they will know just as I'm making sure your grandmother knows all about you. Before you cry liable or slander just remember that you admitted your crime here and it has to be false for it to be either.
 
Casey Hulse said:
I think the government takes welfare fraud quite seriously. I imagine Jeff and Christina took advantage of every opportunity she could find to make an easy "buck". Hats off to you Dennis!:bow01:
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Very true!! I wonder if she reported the income from her online writing job. I also wonder if Jeff's income has been reported truthfully. I think a tax audit on the business is in order, especially since he did not file income tax's in 3 years.
 
Hello all. I haven't posted because I haven't really been able to find out anything new yet. Haven't figured out paypal yet, but it will be fine and get resolved. I tried to spend as much time with the kids this weekend as we could. We had a blast, even though it's been raining on and off all weekend. We went and bought a plant for Charles and planted it outside today. The girls were so happy, they love to plant! It was so strange and horrible not having him here with us and the girls talked about him alot, but that was what we did, we just talked about him and said he would be doing this or that right now and smiling. I think everyday they are getting better, which is nice to see. I wish I could say the same, but I'm sure that day will come will it will get easier.

I just wanted to thank all of you again for all of your love, friendship and support, you guys are soooo great! The girls said hello - I won't let them post on this thread.

I know it is dumb, but I am still completely shocked that she hasn't reversed the dispute or tried to do anything right - like I said, I know it's dumb.....
 
Herpster said:
Hello all. I haven't posted because I haven't really been able to find out anything new yet. Haven't figured out paypal yet, but it will be fine and get resolved. I tried to spend as much time with the kids this weekend as we could. We had a blast, even though it's been raining on and off all weekend. We went and bought a plant for Charles and planted it outside today. The girls were so happy, they love to plant! It was so strange and horrible not having him here with us and the girls talked about him alot, but that was what we did, we just talked about him and said he would be doing this or that right now and smiling. I think everyday they are getting better, which is nice to see. I wish I could say the same, but I'm sure that day will come will it will get easier.

I just wanted to thank all of you again for all of your love, friendship and support, you guys are soooo great! The girls said hello - I won't let them post on this thread.

I know it is dumb, but I am still completely shocked that she hasn't reversed the dispute or tried to do anything right - like I said, I know it's dumb.....
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Don't you worry one little iota about her...what she is doing is beyond dumb and she will get everything that is coming to her..

Love to you and the family
 
Herpster said:
Hello all. I haven't posted because I haven't really been able to find out anything new yet. Haven't figured out paypal yet, but it will be fine and get resolved. I tried to spend as much time with the kids this weekend as we could. We had a blast, even though it's been raining on and off all weekend. We went and bought a plant for Charles and planted it outside today. The girls were so happy, they love to plant! It was so strange and horrible not having him here with us and the girls talked about him alot, but that was what we did, we just talked about him and said he would be doing this or that right now and smiling. I think everyday they are getting better, which is nice to see. I wish I could say the same, but I'm sure that day will come will it will get easier.

I just wanted to thank all of you again for all of your love, friendship and support, you guys are soooo great! The girls said hello - I won't let them post on this thread.

I know it is dumb, but I am still completely shocked that she hasn't reversed the dispute or tried to do anything right - like I said, I know it's dumb.....
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Maggie,

It's heartbreaking to see a family have to go through this loss that you've suffered...without any added drama. You just continue to concentrate on your girls and yourself and know that the rest of your family is right here whenever you need us. And we'll take care of that "drama" as much as we can so that you can worry about it as little as possible. :)
 
This is a crazy story, I live in Flint, MI. and after reading a few pages of this post I realized
I recognized the name Jeff Wise. A few months ago I posted a ad on craigslist for feeder rats
and ASF's and Jeff contacted me and picked up some rats. While talking to him he said he was getting a deal on a albino ball and some hets for $1000 from someone in Ohio, he also asked me if I could supply more feeders because he was entering a breeding program with
someone in Oklahoma. I have his phone number and I recently tried to call him under the pretense to see if he still wanted the feeders and to ask him about this incident but of course he didnt answer. Needless to say I will not be doing any buisness with them again.


Scott Black
 
Herpster said:
Hello all. I haven't posted because I haven't really been able to find out anything new yet. Haven't figured out paypal yet, but it will be fine and get resolved. I tried to spend as much time with the kids this weekend as we could. We had a blast, even though it's been raining on and off all weekend. We went and bought a plant for Charles and planted it outside today. The girls were so happy, they love to plant! It was so strange and horrible not having him here with us and the girls talked about him alot, but that was what we did, we just talked about him and said he would be doing this or that right now and smiling. I think everyday they are getting better, which is nice to see. I wish I could say the same, but I'm sure that day will come will it will get easier.

I just wanted to thank all of you again for all of your love, friendship and support, you guys are soooo great! The girls said hello - I won't let them post on this thread.

I know it is dumb, but I am still completely shocked that she hasn't reversed the dispute or tried to do anything right - like I said, I know it's dumb.....
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Maggie, send those emails that I forwarded you to PayPal. That should show PayPal Christinas "TRUE" intent and they should be able to reverse it.;)
 
snakes335 said:
This is a crazy story, I live in Flint, MI. and after reading a few pages of this post I realized
I recognized the name Jeff Wise. A few months ago I posted a ad on craigslist for feeder rats
and ASF's and Jeff contacted me and picked up some rats. While talking to him he said he was getting a deal on a albino ball and some hets for $1000 from someone in Ohio, he also asked me if I could supply more feeders because he was entering a breeding program with
someone in Oklahoma. I have his phone number and I recently tried to call him under the pretense to see if he still wanted the feeders and to ask him about this incident but of course he didnt answer. Needless to say I will not be doing any buisness with them again.


Scott Black
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LoL Scott, I was going to be his "supposed" Oklahoma connection to get rid of "some" rats. My home is currently going through a refinancing and I really dont want to have rats here while I go through the process. Funny that Jeff thought that I was going to buy more than a 100 or so to start my own breeding colony.

I do remember when he did pick those up from you though, early March wasnt it?
 
StrictlyExotics said:
LoL Scott, I was going to be his "supposed" Oklahoma connection to get rid of "some" rats. My home is currently going through a refinancing and I really dont want to have rats here while I go through the process. Funny that Jeff thought that I was going to buy more than a 100 or so to start my own breeding colony.

I do remember when he did pick those up from you though, early March wasnt it?
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Yes Dean it was around March, I thought he was a bit odd he didnt seem to be too interested in snakes. I have 2 racks of snakes and he didnt ask what I have or ask to see any, maybe they are or should I say were into it just for the money. They obvisouly didnt know what they were doing either, I sold them 3 breeding groups of ASF's and Christina called me late May about the larger amount of feeders and to let me know she hasn't got any babies from the ASF's. I have got pinkies without even trying so if she cant get pinkies from a adult breeding group she must not know what she is doing.
 
snakes335 said:
Yes Dean it was around March, I thought he was a bit odd he didnt seem to be too interested in snakes. I have 2 racks of snakes and he didnt ask what I have or ask to see any, maybe they are or should I say were into it just for the money. They obvisouly didnt know what they were doing either, I sold them 3 breeding groups of ASF's and Christina called me late May about the larger amount of feeders and to let me know she hasn't got any babies from the ASF's. I have got pinkies without even trying so if she cant get pinkies from a adult breeding group she must not know what she is doing.
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When they bought those rats from you, they had ZERO snakes. In fact, Jeff wouldnt even touch one. He told me that he could rats for like 1.00 on CL there and well, at the time, it was a great price for me for live. Then he told me he bought like a total of 12 or so. At that point, I realized it would take him forever to get my 100 rats and totally forgot about it.
 
First defeat the "not so wise" people - paypal closed the dispute today!!!!!! I just saw it just now and I also just realized that they were trying to say that there unauthorized access to their account.....so pathetic. I hope this is the beginning of the snowball and it just keeps going and going.................can't wait to see the go down HARD!!!

Dave, you are the best. Only reason I got this resolved is because of you. Thanks again.
 
Herpster said:
First defeat the "not so wise" people - paypal closed the dispute today!!!!!! I just saw it just now and I also just realized that they were trying to say that there unauthorized access to their account.....so pathetic. I hope this is the beginning of the snowball and it just keeps going and going.................can't wait to see the go down HARD!!!

Dave, you are the best. Only reason I got this resolved is because of you. Thanks again.
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That is great news Maggie!! They are gonna go down, and down hard, because they chose to mess with the wrong people!!!
 
Herpster said:
First defeat the "not so wise" people - paypal closed the dispute today!!!!!! I just saw it just now and I also just realized that they were trying to say that there unauthorized access to their account.....so pathetic. I hope this is the beginning of the snowball and it just keeps going and going.................can't wait to see the go down HARD!!!

Dave, you are the best. Only reason I got this resolved is because of you. Thanks again.
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YAYY!!! One step toward the goal!!

Way to go Dave - you seriously rock!!
 
Herpster said:
First defeat the "not so wise" people - paypal closed the dispute today!!!!!! I just saw it just now and I also just realized that they were trying to say that there unauthorized access to their account.....so pathetic. I hope this is the beginning of the snowball and it just keeps going and going.................can't wait to see the go down HARD!!!

Dave, you are the best. Only reason I got this resolved is because of you. Thanks again.
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Woo-HOO!!! That's awesome news. And yes...THANK YOU DAVE!!!!!
 
:D Awesome news on PayPal Maggie!! You needed that today!

I am so glad you and the kids had such a good day today! I always plant a live tree or perennial for an important event or when I want to remember someone or something. You will always have that to look at and remember when you and the kids planted it and the conversations you had about Dad. Something they will always be able to remember. A hard day, but a good day!:)
 
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