Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

[LauraB]

Excellent work, Kevin! You and David have really gone above and beyond.

 

[DAND]

can some help me out i dont know how to file a IC3. i dont go to the BOi much just seen this. Thanks Matt

Matt,

Here is the information that should help you out.

Jeffrey Allen Wise, Sr.
Christina Marie (Horn) Wise

IP address(es) in order of ussage:
68.60.76.112
68.60.76.177
68.61.44.64
68.60.76.70

Believed residence:
4204 Drummon Square
Flint, Mich. 48504

Prior address:
6019 Belsay Road
Grand Blanc, Mich. 48439


Last known Phone number: 1-810-496-1642
Previously known number: 1-810-836-5414
Previously known number: 1-810-496-3020

e-mail(s):
[email protected]
[email protected]

Wsebsite(s):
http://www.herperforums.wisereptiles.com
http://www.wisereptiles.com

Other businesses:
Garden of Eden Lawn Care
6016 Hillcrest St
Grosse Pointe, MI 48236
(313) 884-0779



Here is the info from the auction you won:

benefit for chuck original manuscript of Kevin McCurley's "The Complete Ball Python".
[FONT=&quot]http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169885[/FONT]


If you need any help feel free to e-mail me ([email protected]) and I can try and help you that way or if need be I could either send you or get your phone number and I could talk you through it. Thanks for taking the time to do this Matt I appreciate it.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Not that it matters, but now, Christina is NOW denying that she was EVEN in chat. I am sure she will send an email to Deb and Brian stating that she didnt send the offline message and her email was hacked.

Christina, what you fail to realize is this... I dont give a FK what you have to say. You want to play that YOU are the victim and that "someone" hacked your account using YOUR IP because they sat in their car and logged into your router? You want to tell people that I was involved in your Fing scam?

The problem STILL remains that YOU collected ALL of the funds and YOU kept them. No matter how much you cry foul, YOU kept the money! Personally, I am tired of hearing all of your excuses as to who is doing what to you. You are a VILE human being, just because you can spread your legs and give live birth doesnt qualify YOU as part of the species. The ONLY person that should be contacting me from your party is your attorney. By the way, I am STILL waiting to be served for slander, defamation of character, and libel.

Normally, I am very level headed (even in your Fing thread). But you Mrs, are a lying, deceiving, wannabe victim of your own God doing. I would personally say a lot more, as I really dont care about the ban (or receiving my first infractions EVER) but there is no point! I hope I dont get banned for my wife's sake, not mine.

If your whole goal was to ruin my experience here and get me to stop posting on this site, you won. But, let me tell you this little lady, I am going after you full steam. Everything I have is NOW being devoted to YOUR attention. Just becsause I dont necessarily post what I am doing doesnt mean that I am just sitting here.

Take this as gospel Christina, I will personally see you pay for the bull you have pulled. It is MY goal to see you lose and lose badly. You lose your kids, sorry. You lose your state aid, not my problem. The IRS takes a chunk out of you, great. I will make your life miserable just because I have nothing better to do with my time.

You are a worthless, NASTY, no good, waste of oxygen, LOSER. And, so is your drug-abusing PY of a husband.


Anyhow, I figured I would contribute this since it directly involves me. If anyone needs anything from me, feel free to email me. Moderators, go ahead and send my infractions to my email






Sun, June 13, 2010 11:45:23 AM[ No Subject ]
From: Reagan Stemple <[email protected]> View Contact
To: [email protected]


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Sunday, June 13, 2010
Christina Wise is offline.
You can send Christina Wise an email
(11:35 AM)

Christina Wise
i never went in chat it wasnt me this has all gotten way out of hand 11:33 AM

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Also Christina, just because you get my Craigslist acct banned doesnt mean I cannot start a new email address and CONTINUE to post moron. As you can see, I just start a NEW email address from my website and REPOST

 

[Southern Wolf]

Plot thickens

Wow Christina... you are a piece of work. I have to break out the special smilies for you.

 

[Lucille]

The problem STILL remains that YOU collected ALL of the funds and YOU kept them.

Whatever comes up in the future, this is an extremely pertinent point.

get me to stop posting on this site, you won.

After your adjective rich description of Christina, above, why would you let her win?

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Whatever comes up in the future, this is an extremely pertinent point.

I honestly dont think she has the brain matter to figure this out.

After your adjective rich description of Christina, above, why would you let her win?

Lucille, its not really pertinent to this case as to why. But, if you really want an answer, feel free to email me. I left that capability on my profile.

 

[DAND]

Not that it matters, but now, Christina is NOW denying that she was EVEN in chat. I am sure she will send an email to Deb and Brian stating that she didnt send the offline message and her email was hacked.

Christina, what you fail to realize is this... I dont give a FK what you have to say. You want to play that YOU are the victim and that "someone" hacked your account using YOUR IP because they sat in their car and logged into your router? You want to tell people that I was involved in your Fing scam?

The problem STILL remains that YOU collected ALL of the funds and YOU kept them. No matter how much you cry foul, YOU kept the money! Personally, I am tired of hearing all of your excuses as to who is doing what to you. You are a VILE human being, just because you can spread your legs and give live birth doesnt qualify YOU as part of the species. The ONLY person that should be contacting me from your party is your attorney. By the way, I am STILL waiting to be served for slander, defamation of character, and libel.

Normally, I am very level headed (even in your Fing thread). But you Mrs, are a lying, deceiving, wannabe victim of your own God doing. I would personally say a lot more, as I really dont care about the ban (or receiving my first infractions EVER) but there is no point! I hope I dont get banned for my wife's sake, not mine.

If your whole goal was to ruin my experience here and get me to stop posting on this site, you won. But, let me tell you this little lady, I am going after you full steam. Everything I have is NOW being devoted to YOUR attention. Just becsause I dont necessarily post what I am doing doesnt mean that I am just sitting here.

Take this as gospel Christina, I will personally see you pay for the bull you have pulled. It is MY goal to see you lose and lose badly. You lose your kids, sorry. You lose your state aid, not my problem. The IRS takes a chunk out of you, great. I will make your life miserable just because I have nothing better to do with my time.

You are a worthless, NASTY, no good, waste of oxygen, LOSER. And, so is your drug-abusing PY of a husband.


Anyhow, I figured I would contribute this since it directly involves me. If anyone needs anything from me, feel free to email me. Moderators, go ahead and send my infractions to my email






Sun, June 13, 2010 11:45:23 AM[ No Subject ]
From: Reagan Stemple <[email protected]> View Contact
To: [email protected]


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Sunday, June 13, 2010
Christina Wise is offline.
You can send Christina Wise an email
(11:35 AM)

Christina Wise
i never went in chat it wasnt me this has all gotten way out of hand 11:33 AM

Dean,

Why in the hell would you post this crap? Better question for you, why in the hell are you even in contact her? Who give a rat's ass what she has to say?

 

[Lucille]

Lucille, its not really pertinent to this case as to why. But, if you really want an answer, feel free to email me. I left that capability on my profile.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My point is that Christina was the one who collected and then misused the funds and she bears the guilt for these actions.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Dean,

Why in the hell would you post this crap? Better question for you, why in the hell are you even in contact her? Who give a rat's ass what she has to say?

Wow, I love the twist. I WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH HER! She left my wife an offline message, there is a difference. Why would I post what crap Dave? The fact that she denies EVEN being in chat? Or, my rant?

I post my rant for the same reason(s) you post yours. The difference with mine is that its geared towards them, not towards the victims who havent filed, for whatever reasons they have.

And, to be perfectly honest, I dont care what she has to say Dave. But the fact still remains that the dissection of people posting will always go on. Why post, and possibly ruin something you enjoy and love doing just because someone doesnt agree, or even understand, with what you have to say?

Prime example... You assume that I am even in contact with her because SHE sent my wife an offline message because "I posted it". The simple fact that I posted, and the post being scrutinized is why I dont want to post unless it directly involves me.

Being that my name was brought up and now Christina denies even being in chat, I think and feel that its relevant to whats going on and sort of involves me. You might not, but, my post doesnt have to do with you directly.

 

[crissabella]

In my opinion, talking with Christina is a futile gesture. She will not, more than likely, ever accept responsibility for her actions and will continue to try and place blame on others. So my question is, why give her the satisfaction of feeding her desire to be heard, if you know what i mean.

Here is a definition that i found that is quite accurate, IMO. The only part i don't agree with is the "don't plan ahead" part.


They are intensely selfish, self seeking and have no problem with being manipulative in order to get what they want. They are extremely dishonest and are very good liars. A lack of remorse, guilt or empathy. Also, they are irresponsible, impulsive and don't plan ahead. They often don't care about the consequences of their actions. When punished, they behave as if they are victims. They are callous and may be promiscuous.
Additional traits

A sociopath lacks the ability to learn emotionally. From an emotional point of view, they are firmly stuck in the kindergarten playground. They have NO CONSCIENCE at all - they can't understand that other people have rights, too; they behave as if they were the only human beings in whole world, and they treat other people as playthings. They rage, rant and are spiritually empty. The enjoy harming others. They are evil through and through.

 

[DAND]

Wow, I love the twist. I WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH HER! She left my wife an offline message, there is a difference. Why would I post what crap Dave? The fact that she denies EVEN being in chat? Or, my rant?

I post my rant for the same reason(s) you post yours. The difference with mine is that its geared towards them, not towards the victims who havent filed, for whatever reasons they have.

And, to be perfectly honest, I dont care what she has to say Dave. But the fact still remains that the dissection of people posting will always go on. Why post, and possibly ruin something you enjoy and love doing just because someone doesnt agree, or even understand, with what you have to say?

Prime example... You assume that I am even in contact with her because SHE sent my wife an offline message because "I posted it". The simple fact that I posted, and the post being scrutinized is why I dont want to post unless it directly involves me.

Being that my name was brought up and now Christina denies even being in chat, I think and feel that its relevant to whats going on and sort of involves me. You might not, but, my post doesnt have to do with you directly.

Dean,

I'm not assuming anything. You confirmed it by posting the drivel here. You, and obviously your wife do not have her (christina) marked as SPAM JUNK or whatever and therefore are allowing and then accepting the contact, then reading it and then posting the crap here.

Anything less then her saying she will be surrendering animals that are to be sold and the proceeds to go to Maggie and Rich or that she has sent the monies to both Maggie and Rich, it doesn't belong here!

If you want to be fool enough to continue correspondence with her then go right ahead but don't regurgitate it here. It then causes a chain reaction of regurgitation and this thread has become enough of a mess. Go post that crap in the Feedback thread and not here if you can't resist the urge to post the ramblings of a sociopath.

 

[SierraMarie]

Ok here is the funny thing, We don't talk to Christina. The only reason she is on my yahoo messenger list is because she was sending me pics of website banners months ago.

And posting an offline message does not assume we are talking to Christina. The funny thing is you wanted to start a poll on who the next person she was going to try to talk to. That has a bearing on this thread how?

Also the interesting thing is we have the same attitude you have... the only communication that needs to be done is on how they are going to get Rick and Maggie money. That is exactly what I told her. Because I didn't entertain her BS she didn't even continue to talk to me. The entire transaction was 4 lines.

----- Our chat on Sun, 6/13/10 12:15 PM -----

Christina Wise (11:33 AM): i never went in chat it wasnt me this has all gotten way out of hand
Reagan (11:42 AM): So who was it that went into chat?
Reagan (11:48 AM): And just out of curiousity is this you? It wasn't you in chat, it wasn't you that tried to reverse Maggie's paypal ... So I guess I don't know if I am talking to you or not
Reagan (12:15 PM): Honestly Christina, Instead of trying to continue the drama why don't you just start sending Rick and Maggie some money ... until then I don't care what you have to say or any of your other persons that log in under your name

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Dean,

I'm not assuming anything. You confirmed it by posting the drivel here. You, and obviously your wife do not have her (christina) marked as SPAM JUNK or whatever and therefore are allowing and then accepting the contact, then reading it and then posting the crap here.

Anything less then her saying she will be surrendering animals that are to be sold and the proceeds to go to Maggie and Rich or that she has sent the monies to both Maggie and Rich, it doesn't belong here!

If you want to be fool enough to continue correspondence with her then go right ahead but don't regurgitate it here. It then causes a chain reaction of regurgitation and this thread has become enough of a mess. Go post that crap in the Feedback thread and not here if you can't resist the urge to post the ramblings of a sociopath.

You are right Dave as I am sure you have them in your spam/junk folder as well. This thread is YOUR thread and for you only. Tell you what, dont use my IC3 complaint in YOUR case against them. I have MY OWN case which doesnt involve you or yours. The ONLY info you need from me is right here in this thread.

All your posts on this thread are without "drivel" and well merited. You propogate my point and my point being why I wont post anymore on here unless it directly involves me. Too bad too. You could have had a worthy ally in this whole thing with me being MORE than 10% of the total revenue generated.

 

[SamanthaJane13]

In my opinion, talking with Christina is a futile gesture. She will not, more than likely, ever accept responsibility for her actions and will continue to try and place blame on others. So my question is, why give her the satisfaction of feeding her desire to be heard, if you know what i mean.

Here is a definition that i found that is quite accurate, IMO. The only part i don't agree with is the "don't plan ahead" part.


They are intensely selfish, self seeking and have no problem with being manipulative in order to get what they want. They are extremely dishonest and are very good liars. A lack of remorse, guilt or empathy. Also, they are irresponsible, impulsive and don't plan ahead. They often don't care about the consequences of their actions. When punished, they behave as if they are victims. They are callous and may be promiscuous.
Additional traits

A sociopath lacks the ability to learn emotionally. From an emotional point of view, they are firmly stuck in the kindergarten playground. They have NO CONSCIENCE at all - they can't understand that other people have rights, too; they behave as if they were the only human beings in whole world, and they treat other people as playthings. They rage, rant and are spiritually empty. The enjoy harming others. They are evil through and through.

I agree-you'll also find that sociopaths have no TRUE emotions for anyone other than themselves. They MIMIC what they see other people portray as normal emotion, but don't empathize with anyone.

Case in point-Casey Anthony. She gets into court, and at every point where NORMAL people would break down in tears, she brings her hand to her eyes blinks, and looks at her fingertips as though she's examining her tears, but you see no dampness on her face and you see no other manifestation of crying, such as red eyes/face, heaving chest or sobbing.

But-you see her anger at the prosecution even IMPLYING that she's a bad person. She seethes with RAGE.

Another thing you'll find with the "I'm the REAL VICTIM" theme of sociopaths are law suits for malicious prosecution, etc.

They will go after the people who put them in prison-even when they're convicted of several counts of the same type of crime-to say that the people should pay them for their lost time, legal fees, pain and suffering, etc.

Even when the courts get it right, they STILL don't accept that their crimes were wrong, so they seek compensation.

 

[Craigh]

You are right Dave as I am sure you have them in your spam/junk folder as well. This thread is YOUR thread and for you only. Tell you what, dont use my IC3 complaint in YOUR case against them. I have MY OWN case which doesnt involve you or yours. The ONLY info you need from me is right here in this thread.

All your posts on this thread are without "drivel" and well merited. You propogate my point and my point being why I wont post anymore on here unless it directly involves me. Too bad too. You could have had a worthy ally in this whole thing with me being MORE than 10% of the total revenue generated.

Seriously why can’t anyone take things to PMs. I think what Dave was trying to get across is a lot of people are abusing this thread. You know you can talk to each other in the chat rooms or pm’s. The Boi is about the issue at hand and this one turned in to a circus. What are the authorities or guests that got this link from one of the many internet blogs or forum posts going to think. A lot of posts come across as straight up revenge instead of justice. Just think before you post and if it is just a response to someone take it to PM’s. This thread is about the wises stealing money not about anything or anyone else. Sorry that I just added to the chat section..

 

[WebSlave]

If I am presented with the choice of either locking this thread to keep people from going at each other's throats, or banning those people engaging in such pursuits, therefore leaving the thread open for those people displaying a more level head about them, I will have to lean towards banning those members involved.

Please take this as fair warning that you are pushing me to have to make that unpleasant choice.

 

[DAND]

You are right Dave as I am sure you have them in your spam/junk folder as well. This thread is YOUR thread and for you only. Tell you what, dont use my IC3 complaint in YOUR case against them. I have MY OWN case which doesnt involve you or yours. The ONLY info you need from me is right here in this thread.

All your posts on this thread are without "drivel" and well merited. You propogate my point and my point being why I wont post anymore on here unless it directly involves me. Too bad too. You could have had a worthy ally in this whole thing with me being MORE than 10% of the total revenue generated.

Dean,

I don't know why you have turned as you have. I have not attacked you (actually have been defending you behind the scenes) and you are acting like an ass towards me. Obviously you can't take criticism for posting the conversation you had with christina and now you are going to storm off and pout, which is better then your whining like the post quoted above.

I never said this was my thread and we both know that it is not.
This is Maggie and Rich's thread and that is who I am fighting for. If you want to fight for yourself (as it is apparent by your above post) then you have at it and leave. Oh, and I'll play your childish game and ask you to return my Excel spread sheet and request that you NOT use and of my information in your case. Too bad too. You could have had a worthy ally in this whole thing with me having MORE than 90% of the total information generated. See how childish that is, now why don't you cut the crap and get on board with what is truly important here, either getting the money for Maggie and Rich or putting these two behind bars. Hell, if we all could work together we could accomplish BOTH!

 

[Southern Wolf]

Here... let me help get this back on track.

Ok.... I had someone make a request since I put in the time & effort to get the documentation together. I am more than happy to honor that request.

Here it goes folks... now you dont have to send me your email addy to get this information... I have it uploaded to my server. You just gotta click and save.

First document is titled "Justice for Maggie"... in this document you will find a time line of events and narritive. In the time line there will also be notations made to direct you to the "PROOF" in the form of screen shots. Directions of what to do with the information and what you need to print out. Information from my cop friend that may help you. This document is 7 pages long.

http://www.ridgetopreptiles.com/JusticeForMaggie/Justice for Maggie.doc


Second document is titled "Justice for Maggie (Screen Shots) ... this is the proof in the form of screen shots. This document may take a while to load as it is rather large. This document is 12 pages long and all images.

http://www.ridgetopreptiles.com/JusticeForMaggie/Justice for Maggie (Screen Shots).doc


Third document is titled "Justice for Maggie (Attachment 1) ... this is the proof that Jeff & Christna Wise was spending the money as fast as it came in. This is a copy of their paypal account at the time they gave Dave access in hopes that he would clear their name. This document is 4 pages long and needs to be viewd in "landscape mode" not portrait.

http://www.ridgetopreptiles.com/JusticeForMaggie/Justice for Maggie (Attachment 1).doc


All together there are 23 pages of documentation to prove the Jeff & Christina Wise stole money from the Fauna Members that donated their money & heart and soul to help two grieving families. Fauna was able to raise $6786.62 for the Kimmel and Morro families.

Of that $6786.62 only $2040 got sent to where it was SUPPOSED to go.

Jeff & Christina Wise stole $4746.62 from two grieving families

If anyone can get a reporter to consider printing this story... just send them to this one post. I have condensed all the proof from this massive thread along with proof from other parts of the site into this information.

I will also make the members of fauna a promise. If you can get the reporters to print anything on what Jeff & Christina Wise has done to these two grieving familys.... I will host a copy on my server to go along with the information I now have (you just need to send me a link to the story). IF we can get an article that states these two will do jail time over what they have done... I will spend the time to make a honest webpage that everyone can be proud of.

I have done the work for you... but you have to finish the job.

Lets bring these two to justice! Spread the word to the media and link theme directly to this post. It has everything they need to run with the story.

 

[WebSlave]

Dave, I'm going to assume that the last post by you right after my warning was being constructed while I posted mine, so therefore you didn't read my words.

I would certainly hate to have to ban you after all the efforts you have done in this issue, so please take heed.