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Bad Guy Adam Wysocki - No response

I read through all the previous posts and it seems that everyone has the same consensus in that Adam is busy moving, family troubles, etc.

I have seen him at every Hamburg show, every Havre de Grace show. He has the time to address this issue and being that it has already been two years?

I really hope this issue becomes resolved. This would be a shame, especially from such a representative like Adam.
 
TheDream said:
I read through all the previous posts and it seems that everyone has the same consensus in that Adam is busy moving, family troubles, etc.

I have seen him at every Hamburg show, every Havre de Grace show. He has the time to address this issue and being that it has already been two years?

I really hope this issue becomes resolved. This would be a shame, especially from such a representative like Adam.
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I am not numbered among the 'everyone.':ack2:

Since apparently this issue HAS gone on for so long, yet the excuses, reasons listed do not seem to prevent him from attending shows, it seems logic would lead one to believe, he no longer cares about this issue (since he is aware of it)?

That's just the conclusion I have reached, I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong and I hope he pays the man and puts this behind him.:shrug01:

*If, of course, the OP has been proven to be in the right.
 
Thanks for all the replies......

My intention is not to bad-mouth Adam but I actually don't know what to do anymore, as he is not responding to my emails

I do have all the invoices, proof of payments and countless emails of promises and more promises. I just want him to get back to me and respond to my emails. I have also phoned and left messages in the past but with no luck.

Hopefully he will get back to me after hearing of this thread. I am out of pocket of $5000 and I can't just forget about that (and that is when it was 12/1 exchange rate and now its only 7.5/1 so there is a significant loss there already)

Thanks for all your help
 
lockes said:
Thanks for all the replies......

My intention is not to bad-mouth Adam but I actually don't know what to do anymore, as he is not responding to my emails

I do have all the invoices, proof of payments and countless emails of promises and more promises. I just want him to get back to me and respond to my emails. I have also phoned and left messages in the past but with no luck.

Hopefully he will get back to me after hearing of this thread. I am out of pocket of $5000 and I can't just forget about that (and that is when it was 12/1 exchange rate and now its only 7.5/1 so there is a significant loss there already)

Thanks for all your help
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FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS???? :ack2:


*and we talk about AFRICAN scammers...:shrug01:
 
I would like to say that I agree with everyone here that I am surprised there has been no resolution to issue.

There is in no way any excuse for Adams actions (or lack there of) in resolving this matter. I have heard from many of people over the last 6 months the same story, he is no where to be found. I too, have seen Adam at many shows set-up or just wondering around talking to vendors, so there should be plenty of time to make a phone call or return an email.

I agree with Deb on this one, I have come to the same conclusion that maybe since Adam is selling off his collection that he no longer cares about his reputation.

While I do appreciate the effort that Adam has made, and the sacrifices that he has made to make a stand for the reptile community, I also want the comfort of knowing that the one representing myself and the rest of the community is acting in an honest, responsible and respectable manner.

Adam, you had a good name, a good business, and you are a good man. If there is any truth to this matter, for yourself, for the industry, make this right.
 
More than 2 years? Are you kidding me? It's time to quit being a nice guy with the "oh I don't want to bad mouth Adam" stuff.

I don't care about somebodies past reputation when it's 5k out of my pocket. Stiff somebody for 2 years out of 5k and you're officially a deadbeat in my book.
 
You might as well face it he rip you off. Your in AFRICAN and he here in the states. Sound to me like he plan on ripping you off from the get go. I mean really what can you do from there. It not like you can jump in a car a and hunt him down. IMO he sound like a crook. $5,000.00 that a really hard leason learn. I feel for your lost. That why i would never buy from over sea. I like doing business with people close enough i can hop in my car take a drive, hunt down, and break their legs if they screw me over. That's just me.:dgrin:
 
Sounds to me like Adam is dodging him/her. I can see maybe a month or two, but TWO years? That's along time. I would definatley be trying to how to build a court case against him. Although i have no clue as to do that, internationally? Because that seems the only way you are going to get your money back. If this does happen, you than can sue for cost of flying to that states etc. Just a thought... And Chuck yes, beating someone down and breaking their knees is sometimes satisfying, but non the less your still out your money. In this case it would be 5k, plus intrest.
 
Really,its been over 2 years - I think you have been dooped.I dont know the guy,sounds like a few here do,so I wont bash him,but I have been scammed/ripped off and know where your coming from.If I were you after a month of no contact and that much money I would of taken some legal action.Sorry that happened to you.
 
Scamming somebody is jut not in my nature so I have probably just been too forgiving.......

I am busy speaking with the International Consumer protection agency in the US as well as debt collectors in the US. I will have to go this route if I don't hear from him soon.
 
I've known Adam personally for years. I can safely say he did NOT set out to scam anyone. That doesn't excuse his neglect of the problem and it saddens me greatly to see such a good man having gotten buried in debts he can't seem to repay. I'm sure there are people out there who will scream "scammer" and label him an evil person no mater what...but they'd be wrong. But again, that does not excuse the fact that he got himself into this mess and seems to be avoiding the issue rather than confronting it head-on. Even small steps...if taken with honesty and sincerity...will help bring this matter to a resolution. Avoidance will not. :(
 
I don't think he set out to scam anyone - but a lot of people who end up on the BOI don't start out intending to scam anyone either.

It's when the chips are down, when a deal go south or when you are called upon to maintain your business ethics when your personal life is in the crapper than sets apart the good guys from the bad guys. Integrity isn't selective - you can't only have it when it's convenient to you.

This has apparently gone on for two years - and I know that up until this spring Adam was still active on BP.Net.

While the OP has yet to lay out all the facts and present all of the correspondence that corroborates his position, the referenced thread and BP.Net has an admission by Wysocki that he was aware and ready to deal with the problem a few months ago.

I don't think Adam is an evil person. But if the OP's story is true and he is out between $1700 and $5000 (depending on exchange rates) that Adam refuses to repay - that's theft, pure and simple.

I know alot of other people who have been beat up for pages for one deal gone wrong. While this isn't directed at Judy, there are plenty of people willing to give Adam the benefit of the doubt or somehow try to make excuses for this incident based on his past status.

Put yourself in the position of a guy who lives half a world away and who has allegedly been robbed of a lot of money. How would you feel hearing a chorus of "well he's just a good guy who fell on hard times"? I doesn't sit well, especially when this crap has apparently been going on for over two years.
 
Adams reputation and amazing service was the reason I decided to deal with him in the first place.

Unfortunately still not heard from Adam, so will send him another mail tonight

I know he is a good guy so I trust he will sort this out
 
It's been mentioned (both here and in the show circuit gossip) that Adam's in some major debt. If this is true, why did he setup this non-profit, NatPet? How was he able to and continue to be able to support such a large organization if he has such personal/business debt? I would think his debts as 8 Ball should be settled before he setup a new organization. He's collecting donations for NatPet, yet owes people money?
 
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It's been mentioned (both here and in the show circuit gossip) that Adam's in some major debt. If this is true, why did he setup this non-profit, NatPet? How was he able to and continue to be able to support such a large organization if he has such personal/business debt? I would think his debts as 8 Ball should be settled before he setup a new organization. He's collecting donations for NatPet, yet owes people money?
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Interesting.:ack2:
 
I would not send anyone donations for anything if I knew they owed people serious money. Would the donation money make it where it was supposed to go....?

Dave
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
It's been mentioned (both here and in the show circuit gossip) that Adam's in some major debt. If this is true, why did he setup this non-profit, NatPet? How was he able to and continue to be able to support such a large organization if he has such personal/business debt? I would think his debts as 8 Ball should be settled before he setup a new organization. He's collecting donations for NatPet, yet owes people money?
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Adam collecting donations for NatPet :rofl: Has anyone asked to see his bookkeeping on where the donations are going ending up? :ack2:
Humane Society of America amongst many others are non-profit organizations yet the CEO's live luxurious lifestyles. IMO Adam is no better than any other scammer that has been exposed on the BOI The only difference is Adam has a following of @$$ kissers making excuses for his inability pay back what he owes because he has debt. Has anybody else noticed how frequently he goes to $tatbucks. If you're in so much debt wouldn't that mean you couldn't afford $6.00 for coffee drinks?
 
serpentsden said:
Adam collecting donations for NatPet :rofl: Has anyone asked to see his bookkeeping on where the donations are going ending up? :ack2:
Humane Society of America amongst many others are non-profit organizations yet the CEO's live luxurious lifestyles. IMO Adam is no better than any other scammer that has been exposed on the BOI The only difference is Adam has a following of @$$ kissers making excuses for his inability pay back what he owes because he has debt. Has anybody else noticed how frequently he goes to $tatbucks. If you're in so much debt wouldn't that mean you couldn't afford $6.00 for coffee drinks?
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I haven't spoken to Adam, and do not know the whole story here. However, I am amazed Steve that given your history you are so quick to judge without knowing all of the facts. It wasn't that long ago that you were a fugitive from justice, on the run, and asking for everyone to give you the benefit of the doubt before passing judgment...:shrug01:
 
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