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02-06-2022, 02:12 AM
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Egernia Species for sale/trade
Few species of EGERNIA for sale
1,1 Egernia Depressa babies
1,1 Egernia Depressa adult pair
1,1 Egernia stokesii badia adult pair
Free Delivery At Next Tierversand/Houten Show/Via DDI (Worldwide Shipment)
For further info contact me through my pv email only; Dennispeukert11@gmail.com
Also Open to part exchange for Banded asper, Tiliqua rugosa, Carphodactylus,, Archelaphe or other interesting species
Thanks, Peukert.
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02-06-2022, 09:21 PM
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Egernia Depressa
Hey what you asking for the adult pair and also the price of the other egernia adult pair
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03-01-2022, 11:14 PM
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These are Australian species that are trafficked thru Indonesia. The are smuggled wildlife. Buying them may mean you have your animals confiscated and you may be charged with wildlife trafficking. This is a federal offense.
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03-15-2022, 12:02 AM
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These are all smuggled animals. Buyer beware.
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03-15-2022, 10:59 AM
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Dennis, could you please post or PM to me a photo of the Australian export documents for the animals advertised or for their founding stock if you're claiming these to be CB?
That's what is required for these to be legally possessed in the US -- that they left their native country legally. With these heavily ('universally' is likely a more accurate term, but someone has some 'just so story' that they'll wave around so I won't push this point) smuggled species the burden of proof is on the seller to establish that these animals have a clean import history, without which the buyer can and should reasonably assume that they're of smuggled origin or descent.
Laundering isn't allowed by US law the way it is by that of other countries; we have legislation that fills in some of the gaps of CITES. And since you're selling them here, the laws and understandings of the US apply.
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03-15-2022, 11:47 AM
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They still import Australian species out of Europe. I believe most are under a cites class 2 permit
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03-15-2022, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aaron1234
They still import Australian species out of Europe. I believe most are under a cites class 2 permit
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'Appendix II' is what you mean, but most of these heavily smuggled AU species aren't CITES listed. They're simply protected by AU law.
But yes, the shipments from the EU to the US are often accompanied by permits. Virtually all of those animals, though, are laundered (smuggled into Europe, either bred or simply labeled as CB, and exported with permits) and as such are not legal for sale or possession in the US per Lacey. Lacey is both the enforcement tool (as CITES is an international treaty, not a US law, and as such CITES doesn't apply to individuals and doesn't enforce penalties) and an extension of (i.e. an inclusive but broader set of criteria than) CITES.
Aaron, if you'd like to continue discussing this, please start a discussion thread in the appropriate section, as pointing out that an ad is in violation of law is permitted here but extended discussions, especially when they are not responding to the OP, are not.
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