Bad Guy Mobiussweet – Alec Sweet

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 22, 2011

Mobiussweet – Alec Sweet

Alec Sweet contacted me offering me a Pastel Mystic Ball Python in trade for a male Het Pied Mojave Ball Python I currently have listed here in the classifieds http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222334.

I sent Alec this pm.

SERPENTS DEN said:
Hi Alec,

Can you e-mail me a current picture of her and let me know how old she is, who produced her, what she's feeding on etc.

Best regards,
Steve !

Alec responded with this e-mail I’ve included is full headers of his message, attached were 3 photos.

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her you go she is 100+ grams feeding on rat crawlys she was produced by mike simmon in los angelos california in november

----Forwarded Message----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons

Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:47:05 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> To: [email protected]
>
> Yes she is starting why
>
> On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:
>
> >
> >Alex, Thank you for the trade. Just one question: Is she ready to breed, like the rest of your snake are at this time? Mike
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:15:53 -0600
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> >> From: [email protected]
> >>
> >> *************
> >> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
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> >> *************
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> >> would you trade for anything for the mystics. i have a 1400 gram female spider give me a call 6618637034
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her you go she is 100+ grams feeding on rat crawlys she was produced by mike simmon in los angelos california in november

----Forwarded Message----

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons

Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:47:05 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> To: [email protected]
>
> Yes she is starting why
>
> On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:
>
> >
> >Alex, Thank you for the trade. Just one question: Is she ready to breed, like the rest of your snake are at this time? Mike
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:15:53 -0600
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> >> From: [email protected]
> >>
> >> *************
> >> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
> >> NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
> >> *************
> >>
> >> would you trade for anything for the mystics. i have a 1400 gram female spider give me a call 6618637034
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
> >> location window) the URL below to view the ad that
> >> this message is in response to.
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> >> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=809908&cat=32
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drizzt08 · Jan 23, 2011

Just wondering what the problem was or am I reading it wrong? Sorry lol

laterob · Jan 23, 2011

Two things that I can see:
1. He couldn't have even taken possession of that snake until Tuesday the 18th, at the earliest.

2. Somehow the snake has gained 30+ grams in 5 days.

Amelanistic Orca · Jan 23, 2011

Appears to me the mystic/possible pastel mystic? was about to have changed hand's twice in about two week's time? This is sad... To me at least..

scaledverts · Jan 23, 2011

Tom Pecanic said:
Appears to me the mystic/possible pastel mystic? was about to have changed hand's twice in about two week's time? This is sad... To me at least..

Sad...yes. Bad guy.....not really. If he had tried to hide that fact, then I would have a different opinion. I too am confused as to what exactly is wrong here. Maybe there is something that I am simply missing. :shrug01:

laterob · Jan 23, 2011

Add to that shipping USPS http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188347
and I see a liar (weight of snake), a flipper (had this snake a few days, tops), and a law-breaker. That's more than enough for my DNBFOST list.

Thanks for the post, Steve

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 23, 2011

In those e-mails there is no mention of a Pastel Mystic and I never heard of a Mike Simmon. Alec has contacted me via PM and I told him if he can clear his name he should do so in this thread.

I also replied to the original message he sent me and did not hear back from him.

Hi Alec,

Are you 100& positive she is a Pastel Mystic? Can you send me better/clearer pics and a belly shot. Also do you have a telephone number and address for Mike Simmon, I never heard of him.

Best regards,
Steve Markevich

--- On Sat, 1/22/11, alec sweet <[email protected]> wrote:

From: alec sweet <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 6:29 AM

her you go she is 100+ grams feeding on rat crawlys she was produced by mike simmon in los angelos california in november

----Forwarded Message----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons

Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:47:05 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> To: [email protected]
>
> Yes she is starting why
>
> On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:
>
> >
> >Alex, Thank you for the trade. Just one question: Is she ready to breed, like the rest of your snake are at this time? Mike
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:15:53 -0600
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> >> From: [email protected]
> >>
> >> *************
> >> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
> >> NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
> >> *************
> >>
> >> would you trade for anything for the mystics. i have a 1400 gram female spider give me a call 6618637034
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
> >> location window) the URL below to view the ad that
> >> this message is in response to.
> >>
> >> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=809908&cat=32
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.
> >> This person may or may not be who they say they are.
> >> The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.
> >>
> >> Sent 08:15 PM, Jan 04th, 2011 from I.P. Address 76.88.192.89/cpe-76-88-192-89.bak.res.rr.com
> >>
> >
>
>
>

her you go she is 100+ grams feeding on rat crawlys she was produced by mike simmon in los angelos california in november

----Forwarded Message----

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons

Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:47:05 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> To: [email protected]
>
> Yes she is starting why
>
> On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:
>
> >
> >Alex, Thank you for the trade. Just one question: Is she ready to breed, like the rest of your snake are at this time? Mike
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:15:53 -0600
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
> >> From: [email protected]
> >>
> >> *************
> >> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
> >> NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
> >> *************
> >>
> >> would you trade for anything for the mystics. i have a 1400 gram female spider give me a call 6618637034
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
> >> location window) the URL below to view the ad that
> >> this message is in response to.
> >>
> >> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=809908&cat=32
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.
> >> This person may or may not be who they say they are.
> >> The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.
> >>
> >> Sent 08:15 PM, Jan 04th, 2011 from I.P. Address 76.88.192.89/cpe-76-88-192-89.bak.res.rr.com
> >>
> >
>
>
>

I also mistakenly tipped him off that I was suspicious by sending this message intended for Laura B and still I got no reply from Alec. :shrug01:

Hi Laura,

What's really weird is he offered me a Pastel Mystic and the pictures he sent is something Pastel, I'm not convinced it's a Pastel Mystic. He said the snake weighed 100+ grams but in the picture it's only 70grams. He also has some animals listed for sale including a Mystic but no Pastel Mystic. The difference in value from a Mystic vs Pastel Mystic is $1000.00 and I'm suspecting the snake in the pics can be a Pastel Yellow Belly
or Firefly that are much are worth much less.

Thanks for your help!!

What am I suppose to think?

LauraB · Jan 23, 2011

"On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:
Alex, Thank you for the trade."

then later :

"----Forwarded Message----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike

From Alec to Alec? 6 days after the "thank you for the trade", Mike is sending pictures (which are also dated 1-16), which Alex forwards to Steve? What am I not getting?

Yeah, not to mention the remarkable weight gain.

So, any clue what Alec traded to get that Pastel Mystic? A 1400 gram female Spider he mentioned in his email to Mike on 1-4?

scaledverts · Jan 23, 2011

SERPENTS DEN said:
In those e-mails there is no mention of a Pastel Mystic and I never heard of a Mike Simmon. Alec has contacted me via PM and I told him if he can clear his name he should do so in this thread.

I also replied to the original message he sent me and did not hear back from him.

I also mistakenly tipped him off that I was suspicious by sending this message intended for Laura B and still I got no reply from Alec.

What am I suppose to think?

I don't blame you for being suspicious at all. Given the value of the animals you are dealing with here I would err on the side of paranoia myself. With previous bad guy threads my level of suspicion would be elevated even further.

BUT I am not sure suspicion justifies a Bad Guy thread. I'm not sure he has done anything during your business transaction thus far with him to justify a bad guy thread. Info thread..... absolutely. Now if it turns out that he is trying to scam you by lying about the genetics or weight then I would absolutely agree that the bad guy title is appropriate. But only time will tell which it turns out to be.

In terms of the weight thing, it may not be entirely out of the question for the snake to have put on some weight since he got it especially if he is feeding it every couple of days. He also might have weighed it when it was full instead of empty. I'm not trying to say that his weight is accurate, I am just trying to give a second possible explanation for the difference.

mobiussweet · Jan 23, 2011

my turn

ok here is the thing the pastel mystic is mike simmons. he asked me to help him find a trade cause he and i traded my spider female for a mystic male. sinve then he asked me to help him find a trade. yes the scale does say 70 grams i asked him a couple days ago what the weight is and he told me she was a 100 + grams so what am i to do but post what i am told. i have nothing to hide if you want to discuss this shoot me a pm and ill give you my number so i can talk to you. and if this gives me a "bad guy" rating then soo be it but i do not think i have done anything wrong. thank you for your time.

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 23, 2011

mobiussweet said:
ok here is the thing the pastel mystic is mike simmons. he asked me to help him find a trade cause he and i traded my spider female for a mystic male. sinve then he asked me to help him find a trade. yes the scale does say 70 grams i asked him a couple days ago what the weight is and he told me she was a 100 + grams so what am i to do but post what i am told. i have nothing to hide if you want to discuss this shoot me a pm and ill give you my number so i can talk to you. and if this gives me a "bad guy" rating then soo be it but i do not think i have done anything wrong. thank you for your time.

Alec,

I wish you were more clear and didn't add all that confusion in your message to me. I think the best way to clear your name is not in pm but withing this thread. :yesnod:

Like I said I never heard of Mike Simmon or Simmons or Simmons Snakes. Is he a fauna member. I am interested in a Pastel Mystic but I need to feel comfortable that's what I would get and you would need to stand behind it with a guarantee of it's genetics. Do you have the Pastel Mystic in your possession and can you provide me quality pics?

mobiussweet · Jan 23, 2011

pastel mystic

i do not have better quality pics ive been trying to get them if i have to mke you feel better ill drive to la to do it. i do not have a problem standing behind the animal because the quality of the mystic i recieved from him is beautiful.

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 23, 2011

mobiussweet said:
i do not have better quality pics ive been trying to get them if i have to mke you feel better ill drive to la to do it. i do not have a problem standing behind the animal because the quality of the mystic i recieved from him is beautiful.

I just got off the phone with Alec and he gave me a reasonable explanation to the confusion in his e-mail and feel he was being upfront and honest. I apologize for jumping the gun with this thread.

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 28, 2011

Alec,

I do have a question. You mentioned to me on the phone that you were only acting as a middle man for Mike Simmons and that the Pastel Mystic was in mike Simmons possession. You also told me my Het Pied Mojave was for Mike and that you wouldn't be making anything off this trade.

Why wouldn't Mike Simmons just contact me himself rather than go through you?

:shrug01:

LauraB · Jan 28, 2011

Maybe he's real shy. :rofl:

mobiussweet · Jan 29, 2011

sorry steve he just asked me to do it cause he said he didnt have time. and i said ok sorry if that is an inconvenience.

SERPENTS DEN · Jan 29, 2011

mobiussweet said:
sorry steve he just asked me to do it cause he said he didnt have time. and i said ok sorry if that is an inconvenience.

I was just curious, it's not an inconvenience.

LauraB · Jan 29, 2011

None of that makes sense, Alec. "Mike" has time to do a trade with you but not Steve?
"Mike" actually has possession of the snake but has asked you to be the middleman? Mike traded a female Spider for a Mystic?

It's not like you actually know the guy - "Mike", I mean. That is clearly evidenced from your emails. This "Mike" dude is a total stranger, if he even really exists.

Here are your emails to & from "Mike Simmons". Do they really sound like this guy knows you enough to ask you to be an intermediary in a trade? Where are those emails?
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:15:53 -0600
To: [email protected]
Subject: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
From: [email protected]

would you trade for anything for the mystics. i have a 1400 gram female spider give me a call 6618637034
this message is in response to.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=809908&cat=32

Sent 08:15 PM, Jan 04th, 2011 from I.P. Address 76.88.192.89/cpe-76-88-192-89.bak.res.rr.com
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On Mon Jan 10th, 2011 8:38 PM PST Mike Simmons wrote:

Alex, Thank you for the trade. Just one question: Is she ready to breed, like the rest of your snake are at this time? Mike
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:47:05 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons
To: [email protected]

Yes she is starting why
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun Jan 16th, 2011 2:15 PM PST
Subject: RE: Message about: Mystic ball pythons

Here are 3 pictures from today. Mike
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Sorry, it all just makes no sense.

hhmoore · Jan 29, 2011

Not to disrupt your argument, Laura, but I was offered a mystic in trade for one of my adult female spiders last fall ('10). Of course, she was a bit bigger, a proven breeder, and.....well....mine

That part of it isn't all that unreasonable.

LauraB · Jan 29, 2011

Harald ...

I stand corrected. An edumacation is a terrible thing to waste. I'm happy to learn all I can. Thanks!

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