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Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth

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After losing much sleep over the idea of posting or not, I know I must.
My history is not squeeky clean on fauna, I have had a mistunderstanding, I was the target of other persons anger/disappointment, and I know the hard effects a thread can have on a person......hence, I had to think long and hard before writing this post.
For the record, unlike when I was attacked on fauna, I will not attack Kevin's character or person (not on purpose, so if I error, I apologize).....this is strictly about ill or dead snakes and us getting the short end of the stick after Kevin has our money in his pockets......AND HE DISCONNECTED HIS PHONE OR CHANGED #'S! WHY?
I bought 3 snakes from Kevin South, all shipped 'together' in 'one' bag, laying together, in a box that did NOT allow for any movement, literally, no space to move and all 3 snakes inside of one bag! Anyway, long stroy short, 2 were so thin they could barely raise the front 1/3rd of their bodies off the ground! A het Sharp was ill, had sinus issues, a hard time breathing, fluids coming from it's sinus ports, it refused to eat. Another snake sold to me as a Possible Super Hypo, which had clear sinus area but was very thin, now, as of yesterday, also DEAD! Two snakes, they never ate a meal under our roof, one arrived with snot hanging out of his nose, all 3 bagged together allowing for spread of illness, and did I mention, I have dead snakes? Did I mention they never ate? Did I mention that Kevin told me they ate regularly, without incident, and had in fact eaten not long before coming to me.
I in-turn sold one of these snakes to a very nice nice young couple, trusting Kevin's word that it "ate regularly", passed on the info that they ate regularly to my customers, and boy did I ever screw up!!!! I placed my reputation at risk, and made myself appear as though I presented an ill snake, one which I must (and will gladly) repay my good buyers. I cannot and will not leave my buyer high&dry, as Kevin has left us. How, ethically, logically, can anyone knowlingly pass-on ill snakes, snakes which we were told appear to have not eaten in many many months! I was told this snake had been "healthy", that is what I told my customers! Kevin, you did not tell me the truth.
To credit Kevin, when I first told him about the Het Sharp he dropped a free pair of snakes on me for that credit, WHICH WAS COOL OF HIM. He acknowledged they were very light, and that that was the way he "liked to keep his males" (even though none of his other males looked thin, odd). The sinus issues with the het Sharp were evident, and Kevin even later admitted this to me.
I'm NOT saying Kevin is a bad guy. I'm sure Kevin is a good guy, but I now have a second snake, dead, and I cannot get a return email from Kevin concerning thes econd dead snake.
Also to consider, even the 3rd snake, a big supposed Coral (WHICH IS NOT A CORAL!!!!!) is not moving well, acting proper, and I will need to take her in for a check-up.
I'm just bummed out! I'm sad that Kevin will not address the death of the second snake's death, I'm sad they were all packed together, I'm sad I bought a "Coral" and it's not a "Coral, I'm sad I ever did business with Kevin, I'm sad that he spoke as though we could trust him and he sent us animals that he himself should have already had at the Vet's Office to see what's wrong with them....instead, Kevin Smith mailed them to us!
I cannot stress enough, I'm sure Kevin is a good guy, and maybe he meant well, or didn't know, or whatever......but now he knows, and he is avoiding us, so we can only act on his current actions of not helping us.....so the "Proof is in the pudding", right?
We only hope he will address the issue with us, and again, we DO SO APPRECIATE him taking care of us when we experienced the initial problem, that was very professional of Kevin.
We will keep you updated and hopefull resolve these issues, professionally, politely.
Did I mention he TURNED OFF HIS PHONE?!
 
Kevin sent me snakes, two never ate, now dead.
Post death vet check being done, report in fairly soon, and I will post a copy.
Kevin disconnected phone, not answering me, not addressing problem.
Not sure what to do when we're ripped off!
 
If anyone could help get me in contact with Kevin, I would LOVE to work this out, professionally. No name-calling, just need to fix this. It's not personal, it's business.
Thanks folks, and thanks in advance Kevin for helping fix this problem.
 
Kevin sent me snakes, two never ate, now dead.

You were shipped snakes so ill that you could see the snot on one, two are now dead, and yet you SOLD one to an innocent buyer. How do you even have the nerve to complain YOU were sent sick snakes when you turned around and did the same thing to someone else.

Disgusting. :angry:
 
please post everything you can to back up your statements. Emails between you and kevin, timeline of when this all happened, any photos showing the 'obvious illnesses'. What treatments were done for the snakes?

I did a trade with Kevin in Novemeber of 2009 (traded 3 of my het albino boas for 2 adult amazon tree boas); he was upfront about where the ATBs came from (a prior trade) and they were in fine health, I met Kevin and some of his kids in Tracy and things went well.

His email at that time (was before he set up the website) was [email protected] ph# 408-499-4707 the new contact info is: [email protected] www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com website lists ph# 209-855-1229 and he is a member here at Fauna under theconstrictorslabrynth

I sent Kevin an email to alert him to this thread.
 
You were shipped snakes so ill that you could see the snot on one, two are now dead, and yet you SOLD one to an innocent buyer. How do you even have the nerve to complain YOU were sent sick snakes when you turned around and did the same thing to someone else.

Disgusting. :angry:

:iagree::iagree::iagree: I wish someone would send this "very nice young couple" a notice of this thread!!!! :angry:
 
On the other hand, it may just be a pack of lies from Giavasis, I just reviewed his other BOI threads and am not impressed. He could not even get his names straight here, it's Kevin South on the title and Kevin Smith in the post :rolleyes:

As usual, April has it all in hand, and has sent notice, so we can hear from the seller.
 
So wait, I read the whole thing and even though you have no idea what the enter key is, i muscled through it and i think this is what happened...

You bought three snakes from kevin.
They all arrived into your possession in really poor health.
You sold one of those snakes, with poor health, to an unsuspecting couple.

Then in the middle of all of this hubub, you are trying to contact this Kevin person and realize hes turned his phone off and/or changed his number and hasnt checked his email.

I feel for the animals in this if they really were in as poor health as you say they were, stored in a small cramped space like that.
Poor things.

As for selling the sick snake to the couple, why? Why would you do that?
You trying to get rid of evidence??
Or did you say that you "sold" the snake but it never left your possession (as in the customer never got the product)?

I just hope that this gets rectified.
Business or not these are live, breathing and feeling animals.
Money is no priority when three snakes lost their lives to poor management practices.
 
:shrug01: I am also very complexed about you selling one of the sick snakes. It really hit me like a brick when I read that. Would love to hear your explanation. :nonod:
 
No, my description, though an attempt made, came out wrong. You get what I am saying. The 1st snake, very ill, I told him right away.
The second snake was VERY thin, I emailed him about it, he ensured me that he "kept his males on the thin-side", that is what he said to me. He told me they ate, so when I sold the snake I repeated exactly what I was told. Then, my buyer informed me he was not eating. They said they'd keep trying and give it more time. The next time I heard from them dead.
I did not sell a sick snake knowingly! I sold a thin snake, that I was told he kept thin. Myself, as well as the new owners had intended to thicken the snake up a but. What, nobody ever rescued a snake, or bought one thin, as I did. It was not until the 1st one had issues, and then the 2nd, that you make a relationship between the two.
I am SORRY I did not explain better, truly.
For the record, I tried to contact Kevin, his tele is not working. I emailed him yesterday, no reply. I emailed him about a week ago to explain issues, he told me they were healthy when he sent them, which is not true.
I do not want to argue with him, this could be a simple error.
I do not want hard feelings.
I do not want people trying to make things into something they may not be.
I want to solve the problem, that's all.
 
Again, sold the snake as Kevin presented it, "thin", then buyers started to explain issues, which mimiced issues we had at the same time with another in the shipment.
I did not discover it was ill until after buyers emailed to explain, and exact same issues as with first.
I did not and would not sell ill snake. Anyone that has ever gotten one of our snakes knows that this is true. We are not big breeders, simple hobbyists, so we're not into doing combat here, OK. Just have a problem. I may type things wrong, I'm not an author, OK. I may explain wrong, OK.
 
Also, I am NOT trying to hammer Kevin, not at all.....I merely feel as though he would not hear me, so I needed to speak louder.
Phone, off.
Email, no reply.
Please, for a moment, place yourself in my shoes.
I'll say no more......Kevin knows what's up. he knows what he sent to us. He knows they were all in the same bag.
He knows I'm not an expert.
He know I do not know all the terminology, issues, etc., I'm a hobbyist, but learning very very very quickly......how about if I re-phrase......"I learned the 2nd snake was sick AFTER the buyers had it, and it had exact symptoms as 1st, and I had already inquired about why it was skinny.....and was told it was OK......and I was unaware of things then (and maybe still now) because I'm NOT as experienced as some of you. Is it OK to not be as experienced, and to maybe make a mistake while trying to get my point across? I'm trying people, I'm trying my best.....
 
But you still sold a snake that looked "thin".
Regardless I have no idea what a "thin" snake looks like, as my husband and I feed Eve plenty of little mousies as much as she wants (aka every 5-7 days).

You still should have at least tried to feed him or kept him in your possession for at least that long to make sure he would eat for your buyers.

Its common sense .. If i were to buy a snake from someone, regardless of the condition they arrived in, I would at least keep them until I was able to feed them myself and then attempt to sell them.
Or at least state to the buyers that "this snake came to me from another person. im goign to let him/her eat first before i sell him to you, but you are first on the list and therefore will get him when hes been 'proven'".

Dont get me wrong im not trying to sound bitchy, but.. the guy sold you some nasty animals and you still turned around and sold them to someone else.

I still hope that you get a hold of the guy and everything gets worked out.
 
Nick, since 3rd party quotes aren't allowed here, what are your customer's (the lovely young couple) names, and a way to contact them so that they can corroborate your story?
 
Colorado.. im a new person to the herp industry as well.
I have no idea how to ship live animals as ive never been in that position before.

AND... weve had Eve for what, a month now?
And we are STILL learning things from the websites n whatnot my husband has looked up.

It just seems to me, that Kevin sold you some nasty animals, and you shipped them out as soon as the box arrived at your door.

I just dont get it.
 
No, I did not lie. No.
I bought 3 snakes.
3 arrived in 1 bag?
After they were here I noticed one had stuffy nose, and I emailed Kevin.
He assured they were all healthy and that that snake had that sound/condition for a long time and that it was not a concern....so I trusted his word.
I sold a second snake from this group, after showing concern for its weight.....Kevin ensured the weight was hwo he kept the snake.
The 1st one died, I thought it unrelated until the buyer of the 2nd contacted me. Then I worried, so I emailed Kevin. No reply. Tried calling, # disconnected.
I may have stated something no in sequence, but in NO WAY did I lie. I have 2 dead snakes, hard to lie about that.
I did not and do not lie......and I will have vet report soon.....that will shed light on the subject, right? Right.
 
No, I did not lie. No.
I bought 3 snakes.
3 arrived in 1 bag?
After they were here I noticed one had stuffy nose, and I emailed Kevin.
He assured they were all healthy and that that snake had that sound/condition for a long time and that it was not a concern....so I trusted his word.
I sold a second snake from this group, after showing concern for its weight.....Kevin ensured the weight was hwo he kept the snake.
The 1st one died, I thought it unrelated until the buyer of the 2nd contacted me. Then I worried, so I emailed Kevin. No reply. Tried calling, # disconnected.
I may have stated something no in sequence, but in NO WAY did I lie. I have 2 dead snakes, hard to lie about that.
I did not and do not lie......and I will have vet report soon.....that will shed light on the subject, right? Right.

I think you are a backpedaling liar. No one with a lick of sense would sell an animal that arrived packaged with another that had snot hanging out of its nose. Stop trying to fob off the responsibility on someone else.

Snot contact = No sell
 
I think you are a backpedaling liar. No one with a lick of sense would sell an animal that arrived packaged with another that had snot hanging out of its nose. Stop trying to fob off the responsibility on someone else.

Snot contact = No sell

Exactly.
Three snakes were packaged together.
One was sick. Some bacteria and virus's only have a few seconds before they are transmitted to another host.

Plus its like, why not make sure the snakes eat and shed or at least just eat before you sell them?
Am I being too... harsh? Or ... I dont know. If i were to sell snakes right this second I would make sure they ate and shed or at least ate while in my possession!
 
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