Liberal trash spitting on Pat Tillman's grave.

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Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him

By Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004

When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

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Originally posted by Ken Harbart
Contact info for this piece of trash:

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No, that won't do...
Physical Address--- we need a PHYSICAL ADDRESS!!
And no, a P.O. Box is no good either...


It's brainwashed knee-jerk "idiots" like Tillman that have enabled slime-sucking institutionalized elites like THIS to say things like THAT and not be tracked down and killed by an oppressive government.

It's too bad people like him never get killed in war, only people like Tillman. Sometimes, I wish that terrorists would hit us while we're at war, wipe out a few hundred thousand c-suckers like this, and not hurt any of the REAL Americans, who are out fighting on the other side of the god-forsaken planet.

Sometimes, I think it would almost be worth it if North Korea nuked southern california--too bad they can't reach New England.

We could stand to lose a few blue states.

(keep in mind this was satire, as I actually have a few relatives in two or three of those blue states)

You will notice the person puking vile propoganda about Tillman did so from the safety of his couch!

Need I say anymore?

More liberal bull<font color=red>[**censored**]</font>! Maybe if Michael Moores of this world would get off their fat asses, wipe the popcorn butter off their mouths, pull the mega vibe out of their hiney, and help fight for our country instead of running it down all the time, our soldiers would be home by now!

I am in a mood and decided to go with this one.


I am frankly sick of hearing "liberal" this or "liberal" that. There is just as much conservative BS thrown about by people in power as any liberal ever put forth. Being lied to and manipulated by a person, conservative or liberal, makes me ill. And lets face it both sides of the political fence are guilty of that.

I think Pat Tillman is a hero and made a choice that very few of use would have made. He is a hero just like all service people are. He is a hero like all service people since 1776 who have stood for the constitution and the freedooms of this country. One of those freedoms is the right for this person to say what they said. The right express their opinion. You can complain all you want, you can say I disagree but lets stop being two faced and decide if you support those rights or not.


Pat Tillman and all others serving are heros, then, now and in the future but remember what they are fighting for.

This for me, is a double sided blade.
I am swinging both ways on this.
In the sense of his macho attitude, and ego that even the most padded football, or combat helmet couldn't consume, he marched himself into the grave. He was an unrequired sacrifice in our Crusades of the Middle East.
Though we are losing lives, this is far from over. We have yet to march into Iran, which is almost inevitbale, pending the coming election.
To add to the "hit list" Bush has, we have all the other countries we have tied into the Axis of Evil. I still think we will be going to North Korea.
In my own opinion, I still believe the good ole Reds aren't finished. Their republic is crumbling, and free trade has already started to be sucked out. Most, if not all of their high political, and and armed forces leaders are all former Soviets from their Communist government. Seeing the "demise" of their republic will give a radical communist group to rise up, seize power, and bring back the U.S.S.R.
Russia is having a civil problem of their own right now anyhow,. There is a group trying to succeed from the Russian Government.
You know, us good ole freedom loving Americans will see this as "an impeedment" of Russia's Republic, and will have to send even more troops, most of which will be green replacements or militants with no combat experiance, over to Russia to keep the idealistic government, which has their "freedom" still intact in place.
God forbid any country should have their freedom removed. I just love the new commercial, which isnt that new anymore. The one that says how many republics competed in Sydney. Then how there are 2 more this year. It shows the Iraqi and Afghani flag.
The propeganda machine isnt slowing, and it wont until we have "taken care" of all the terrorist countries.

On the flip side, I think all of us, as non-serving americans should fully back up and support all the soldiers over there, and respect them at their demise.
These guys and gals didnt choose to go to war, or did, basing their decision on protecting our country from future terrorist attacks on homeland.
I myself and planning on an army career, and I'd hate to be killed, than have someone say such things on my going into the army.
Hopefully I wont die lol.