chris kennard, morales of conveniance?

The following are all quotes from chris kennard from this thread unless attributed to someone else.

The sole purpose of this thread is to bring into the light his questionable choice of letting felice sell his crosses and then REMAIN QUIET FOR TWO YEARS. It is not to detract from the facts he has brought up about felice. His pal an-al has lied. It seems that it is ok with kennard if people get ripped off and the indigo gene pool is diluted so long as it IS DONE BY HIS FRIENDS.

You asked kennard, now you have received.


Is that the story you've been telling everyone, lol? Hmmm. Why did TexIndigo Gal say in a post on KS that they were from "Dan Felice's" stock? But let's pretend for a moment that your not lying (lol), that still doesn't explain where the crosses went and why you voiced such concern to me that Steve might find out that the animals you sold him were in fact crosses. And where are the unaccounted for crosses Dan? But I digress, this is one hell of a fish story you got goin' on here pal!



I said he never had Texans there. The "adults" I was refering to are the Eastern Indigo and the "calico" Unicolor Cribo



Chris's brother Joe Kennard posted a clear-cut example of how YOU HAVE CROSSED AN INDIGO SNAKE WITH SOME OTHER TYPE OF SNAKE, and you had nothing to say about it.- this by an-al about kennard’s brother



I would like to state for the record that I emphatically aver that that photo is in fact a pic of one of the crosses Dan produced by breeding an Eastern Indigo with his "calico" Unicolor Cribo. I saw the offspring, including that one. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that the snake in the photo is none other than one of the crosses produced by Dan



You can't change my mind because I know for a fact that they are crosses and have known it since the thread started



Thank you for finally admitting that my submissions are "fact"! That means alot to me.



The bottom line is this...

I was there, you weren't.

Like I told Gila, I was there

Felice sold two of the offspring, and did in fact represent them as the crosses that they were to Chris Kennard and his brother Joe.

Felice sold and misrepresented some of the offspring to Steve Fuller and Bobby Lee. He lied, saying that the offspring were Texas Indigos. He told Chris Kennard that he hoped Steve Fuller would not find out

I was a frequent visitor and friend of Dan's at the time he was breeding those snakes and incubating the eggs
Dan himself announced (to me) the successful crossing of the Eastern Indigo with his "calico" Unicolor Cribo upon the laying of the eggs

I saw the parents, I saw the eggs

The name Project Bluebook is born. Dan heartily agrees.

Dan hatches the babies that he now claims were hatched for someone else, yet labels them as "Dan Felice's" stock. I aquired one from him represented properly as the cross it was and at the same time Dan sells one to my brother...as a cross. I gave Dan back the one I got, which was the smallest of the litter. My brother's died.

Dan sold some babies to "Steve" and on several occasions expressed (to me) concern that "Steve" might suspect that they were crosses and reveals to me that "Steve" wanted to buy the whole batch. Hmmm, how would I know that? Any comments from Steve on that issue would be interesting.

Now those are facts...period! I challenge anyone to refute them!!!

When I saw Steve's posts on KS, I felt bad that not one person was willing to even entertain his quest for an answer to the question of his Texan's origin. I was glad to see his concern for the proper representation of future offspring of his Texan. I truly believe he is an innocent in this mess


Here's what I know about you:
1. You troll the KS forums under a new name every other day. Usually it's not to expose a "bad guy" but rather to disrupt the forum and draw attention to yourself with names like turdball and dingleberry.
2. You attack good people such as John Cherry and Dean Allesandrini for no good reason other than to amuse yourself.
3. You never offer anything even remotely constructive to the forums but I've seen you attack newbies when they ask simple husbandry questions. From gila 7150

Perhaps I should remind you one last time that I WAS THERE, YOU WEREN'T! I know the truth, you don't.

If witholding that info at the time because I didn't have enough information and wanting to avoid the scrutiny I am being subject to even with all the evidence I have now is being "guilty", then yes. I am.

This should be ample evidence of the fact that it's ok to be bad as long as you're kennard's friend but not after you cross him.

kennard, you've done some good but you could have done better sooner. As big as your mouth is you surely didn't need Fauna to let people know about felice. Weren't you posting on the indigo forum at KS during the crossing of these snakes, you know the ones you saw breeding and saw the eggs resulting from that breeding, the ones you and your brother bought? You couldn't have posted the info there? Wow, I wonder why not. Oh yeah, because it was YOUR FRIEND who was in the wrong and if you're kennard's friend it's ok to be such a person.

Gotcha.


Wes Pollock

Maybe I can save you some embarassment Wes.................

Obviously, you've completely missed the boat! Chris Raden went down the same dead end as you are now, and looked pretty bad for doing so. At least he, apparently, realized this and disappeared with his tail between his legs. I don't think that you have the capacity to know when you are making a fool of yourself, so here's some more clues just for you Wes:

1) There's nothing wrong with crossing Indigo's, so even if Chris Kennard, not Felice, were the one who bred an Eastern Indigo to a Unicolored Cribo HE WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.

2) "Project Blue Book" was coined to represent the fact that Felice didn't want the "core" members of the KS Indigo forum to know that he was committing the biggest "no-no" possible within that circle. It was very important to Felice to deceive the "Good Ol' Boys' there into thinking that he was a solid "core" member who was appalled at the though of crossing the most elite snake on the planet! So, initially, "Project Blue Book" had nothing to do with SELLING snakes. (Am I going slow enough for you so far?)

3) Later, Felice mentioned to his friend at the time, Chris Kennard, that he was misrepresenting his crosses as "Texans" to a guy named Steve, and he "hoped that Steve wouldn't find out the truth". This is where Felice committed a "crime", as you so eloquently put it.

4) At this point, Kennard didn't know who "Steve" was, nor did he care. In addition, he knew nothing about Fauna Classifieds and he was friends with Felice, so why would he be obligated to say anything, and to whom?

5) As Kennard already spelled out on this thread (learn how to read Wes), he found out who "Steve" was when Jeff Nichol's wife posted on KS in 10/03. That's when kennard "spilled the beans" on KS, and yes, he and Felice were no longer friends.

6) Kennard did not start this thread on Fauna. Felice, in response to the negative publicity on KS about his reputation, obviously manipulated Lee McMurtry into posting a pre-emptive "Good Guy" thread about Felice (LOL!).

7) Kennard didn't post here until Chris Raden bashed him on the first page of this thread.

So you see Wes, it's all very simple. Felice is a "Bad Guy" because he ripped Steve Fuller off. Chris kennard is a "Good Guy" because he exposed Felice.

Now if you want to continue to somehow turn this thread into a "Bad Guy" thread about Kennard, I have a some simple question for you:

You've indicated many times on this thread that you believe Felice is guilty, so, knowing what you know now, WHY HAVEN'T YOU REPORTED FELICE TO THE POLICE???????


You now know what Kennard knows about Felice and you've accused Kennard of being just as guilty as Felice (LOL!). Wouldn't your pretzel logic also make YOU just as guilty as Felice?

Give up Wes, your rap is very tired!

kennard can't post in his own defence now? Eh, not surprised.

If ,as you have proven by your statement in the above post , kennard knew that felice was selling misrepresented indigos then why didn't he say that on the ks indigo forum? Oh yeah, it was his FRIEND doing the lying. So it was OK with kennard.

If it's not crime enough for you, standard of all that is good and holy in the world of herping an-al, to report to the police how could so small a person as myself have the temerity to do so? It just isn't possible. I NEVER SAID IT WAS A CRIME. I merely pointed out that your pal kennard let the lie go, KNOWING that someone was being swindled and he DID NOTHING about when he could have. Did I type that slow enough for you? He knew about he lie, he did nothing about the lie, he is guilty of fostering the lie. Just like you are if you knew and did nothing. In fact didn't you say you knew too and yet you, pillar of the reptile community that you are, also said nothing. If I'm wrong on that one, my appologies, it's been a long day and I've crammed way too many facts into my head today.

Now, an-al, I think kennard has done some good, heck even you have. But you two asked, he more than you but you are so close it's hard to tell you apart, me to post his words to prove my accusation that he lied FOR TWO YEARS. I think I've proved that to such a level as even you should be satisfied.

I'm sure you'll have more to say, you really should consider politics, but for now I think I'm ok with what I've put out there.

Hey, an-al, how come you don't write to me here the way you do in your emails? It's so very colorful and quite amusing. I try to emulate but, I just can't do it so well as you. You're a champ at mono-syllabic swear words.

Wes Pollock

Wes, you are truely "a penny waiting for change"!

I'm sure that Chris Kennard will entertain your very own creation here, not because he needs to defend himself, but simply because it's so easy to expose you as the attention-starved ZERO that you are. I hope (and I'm sure that he will too) that your little thread doesn't get deleted, just so that you can receive credit for your very own brand of idiocy. Get a life Wus!

Clarification............

For whatever it's worth (hopefully this thread doesn't get deleted), when I reponded to Wus's initial post here, I thought I was still in the "Dan Felice" thread. Therefore, my comments were made only in reference to the context of that particular thread.

Led by his infantile constitution, Wus decided to send me an idiotic email. After telling Wus what I really think of him in my own personal email to him, I suggested that he start his own thread on Chris Kennard in the hopes that Wus would make a complete a$$ of himself. You haven't let me down Wus! Thank you!

Having nothing of substance to say certainly doesn't get in the way of this mindless marvel!

By the way Wus, I'm waiting for you to disclose the names of those who were victimized by Chris Kennard, you know, THE VICTIMS!

LMAO!

You need work Wus!

"chris kennard, morales of conveniance?"

The above is the comical title of your very own thread regarding Chris Kennard.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you've mispelled 40% of the words in your title?

Congratulations though on the 60% you got right! that's an "F" Wus! pretty good for you.

Notice the correlation between your inability to spell and your inability to form a rational thought about Chris Kennard.

Have you contacted the police yet about Dan Felice?

Have you come up with any "Victims" yet in the Chris Kennard mystery?

It's fun to watch you flounder!

I haven't read the other thread, but there doesn't seem to be much debate here about the actions Chris took... if I recap them, can Wes and Al both verify that the impression I have formed from this thread is accurate?

Chris was friends with Dan.

Dan wanted to become considered an elite keeper on the KS forums.

Dan was creating hybrid animals and selling them as pure indigos.

Chris said nothing about this, despite his knowledge of the situation, until he and Dan had a falling out for other, undisclosed, reasons.

There is something very wrong with creating hybrid animals and representing them as being a pure species the same goes for breeding intergrades and representing them as a pure subspecies or crossing locales and forgetting to mention it. It's fraudulent and it misrepresents the product in a manner which could potentially contaminate a larger population. Without getting into my personal views about hybridization... misrepresenting an animal is clearly not ethical.

The question then becomes... is there some guilt ascribed to someone who was aware of a misrepresentation but chose not to speak up at the time because it was a friend who was commiting the act?

This is something everyone will have to answer for themselves but I beleieve that many people would see this as being wrong. By allowing a friend to do something unethical, it condones the actions and adds some guilt to anyone who knew that the misrepresentation was happening. While it can be said that Chris was unaware of who the specific cross(es?) were sold to, he still chose not to make the information public that such a sale had happened- allowing it to potentially happen to others. While it's nowhere near as bad as the original action, it's still aiding and abetting (I've been watching Law and Order and the term sounds appropriate) and while there would be no legal recourse, such an action (or inaction as the case may be) can certainly have an impact in the court of public opinion.

an-al/elenor/rob my spelling may not be the best. I have never claimed that it was however, my logic regarding you pal kennard is sound.

He knew of mis-represented snakes and did nothing FOR TWO YEARS while those snakes were sold as pure indigos.

Since he's such a good pal of yours and it's been proven time and again here that birds of a feather flock together it makes me wonder about your ethics and morals as well.

If my spelling is the best you can do to refute me and my logic then I must be right on target. He knew FOR TWO YEARS that his friend was lying and selling snakes as something they weren't. I guess that's ok with you too. Remind me to put total faith in anything either of you say from now on an-al/elenor/rob. It seems you two are pillars of truth.

Wes Pollock

Go ahead and start a thread on me Wus!

I've got Arfican Clawed Frogs and Red Eared Slider Turtles, AND I've never sold an animal in my life, AND I'm friends with Chris Kennard, AND I knew that Felice was a scammer long before this thread. So you go right ahead and knock yourself out starting your own thread about me!

Have you gone to the police about Felice yet? You seemed sooo concerned for the herp community, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

Have you gone to the police about Kennard yet? Surely HIS lack of "morales" are costing the herp community countless dollars each day.

Now go save the world child without a cause!

Correction:

African frogs.


Please don't go anywhere Wes, because Kennards about to have some fun with you.

Stick around!

Could someone please address the validity of the situation as I understood it above?

Seamus.............

"By allowing a friend to do something unethical, it condones the actions and adds some guilt to anyone who knew that the misrepresentation was happening."


Does this mean than YOU are responsible for any and all unethical actions that any and all of YOUR friends, during YOUR lifetime, have perpetrated that you had even the sketchiest knowledge of?

Please elaborate, if you can, on HOW Kennard "ALLOWED" Felice to achieve what he did. I guess Felice couldn't have accomplished his dirty work if Kennard DIDN"T know about it?

And why haven't YOU gone to the police to report Felice and Kennard by now, knowing that more people will probably be ripped off by Felice in the future? When are YOU going to take responsibility here?

How much guilt to you attribute to yourself for the kind words that you had for Fred Albury in his thread? Don't you think that your endorsement of Fred warrants a thread about what an immoral guy YOU are?

Should we start a thread on Chris Raden for his role in defending Felice?

Where does the madness, that your pretzel logic promotes, END?????????

Surely YOU want to see "Bad Guy" threads started now for each and every person who knew the "Subject" of each and every "Bad Guy" thread that already exists on this site?

Give us a break Seamus!

Does this mean than YOU are responsible for any and all unethical actions that any and all of YOUR friends, during YOUR lifetime, have perpetrated that you had even the sketchiest knowledge of?

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Was his knowledge sketchy or was it nearly complete, with the exception of the recipient's name?

If I had a friend and was aware that they were participating in an action which was not ethical and I chose not to mention it to what must legitimately be called a victim... Yeah, I'd have some tarnish of guilt on myself too.

If Chris didn't know that he was producing hybrids and selling them as pure animals, that's a different story. The discussion up to this point has indicated that he was aware of these actions and declined to make his knowledge public... In fact, if I read Wes's post properly, there are quotes on another thread where he stresses the completeness of his understanding of the situation and makes it clear that he was aware of it while it happened.

How much guilt to you attribute to yourself for the kind words that you had for Fred Albury in his thread? Don't you think that your endorsement of Fred warrants a thread about what an immoral guy YOU are?

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A great deal actually. The same can be said for my one time endorsement of Neil Gubitz. If you recall though, my contention on the Albury thread was that he had always been a good guy to the best of my knowledge and that I had high hopes of him making good on his deals. While this didn't prove to be the case, it's not the same situation and can't really be used to draw a parallel. If I was at Fred's house and he told me prior to making the deals that he never made good on that he was going to rip people off and I chose not to worn them... it would be similar. If you would like to make a thread, by all means create one titled "Seamus Haley, had bad judgement a couple times"

Surely YOU want to see "Bad Guy" threads started now for each and every person who knew the "Subject" of each and every "Bad Guy" thread that already exists on this site?

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Perhaps not an outright bad guy thread, but as I have been given to understand it, Chris had knowledge that the action would be taken BEFORE it happened. While it's nowhere near the level of guilt which would be placed on the person performing the act, it certainly does leave a bit of a question hanging in the air about the person's moral standards.

Please keep in mind that I haven't read the other thread yet (Maybe I should) and really was just asking if there were some primary points which you and Wes agreed to and that both of you would acknowledge as having happened, before the ethics debate began.

Ignorance is Bliss!

Seamus, you seem to have all the time in the world to get involved in a frivolous thread like this, yet you claim to know nothing about the thread that spawned this child's play.

It's obvious that you have endorsed Wes in his efforts to make a fool of himself in his quest to avenge his wounded feelings caused by the beating that kennard gave him in the Felice thread.
It's amazing how you found it unnecessary to read that thread before concluding that a seperate thead was warrented for Chris Kennard.

I suppose that, if you were to read that thread on Felice (LOL! - I'm sure you won't be able to find the time) you might have to, in the name of consistency, also endorse a 'Bad Guy" thread for Chris Raden, Wes Pollock, Wendy Wedeking, Jeff Nichols, and all the other players who attacked felice's accusers.

By the way Haley, Kennard was and is Felice's main accuser. Get a clue!

Are your feelings still hurt from the beating you took in the Fred Albury thread? Is this your idea of petty revenge? LOL!

LMAO! Thos is great...

How funny can Wes be? Let's have a looksee! Did I know that Dan crossed those snakes? Absolutely! Did I care that he produced crosses. Absolutely not! Did I know he was going to misrepresent then as Texas Indigos. No! I had NO PROOF that he did so until TexIndigo Gal posted on KS that she recieved Texas Indigos from Dan Felice's stock. Dan and my "falling out" happened long before this came about braincell and even before I brought this up on KS. But again you need to read my posts with your good eye. In any case, is your new little thread here a "good guy" thread or a "bad guy" thread, lol? I really can't tell. In any case, it proves what I've been saying about you all along. In the "Brian Smith thread" you stated more than once that you wanted someone to "start a thread about you". Are you so starving for the limelight?

"The sole purpose of this thread is to bring into the light his questionable choice of letting felice sell his crosses and then REMAIN QUIET FOR TWO YEARS".

I love this! Letting Felice sell his crosses!!! I'm not his daddy. I don't have any say in what he does, lol. That's like saying I "let" him stay up after ten o-clock at night, lol. Oh, and again, I remained quiet until I knew for sure they were sold and misrepresented as displayed on KS when TexIndigo Gal posted about them. Nice try!

"It seems that it is ok with kennard if people get ripped off and the indigo gene pool is diluted so long as it IS DONE BY HIS FRIENDS".

You should become a fictional writer(of course you'd have to brush up on your grammar). "Seems" is the key word here Wes. It's just an opinion. You will twist this any way you can to suit your agenda (which seems only to get attention). I haven't been his friend since...hmmmm. I forget. Help me out here Wes. You seem to know it all.

"Is that the story you've been telling everyone, lol? Hmmm. Why did TexIndigo Gal say in a post on KS that they were from "Dan Felice's" stock? But let's pretend for a moment that your not lying (lol), that still doesn't explain where the crosses went and why you voiced such concern to me that Steve might find out that the animals you sold him were in fact crosses. And where are the unaccounted for crosses Dan? But I digress, this is one hell of a fish story you got goin' on here pal"!

Had I been able to reveal this sooner, I would have. Unfortunately, sigh, I couldn't PROVE he sold them to Steve (last name unknown at the time) untiL TexIndigo Gal's post at KS. I also didn't want to bring this to light on the BOI until I had more evidence because I knew I would be placed under scrutiny by morons like you who just like to hear yourself blather.

"This should be ample evidence of the fact that it's ok to be bad as long as you're kennard's friend but not after you cross him".

Wrong AGAIN Wes. The so-called evidence you describe is simply testament to the fact that I know that HE CROSSED THOSE SNAKES! Not that I knew he was going to misrepresent them. When I found out he supposedly misrepresented them, I had no proof. Even though our friendship died, I didn't want him to have a bad name just for crossing snakes. I could care less what he crosses as long as he represents them properly. And yes, he did voice concern that someone named "Steve" would find out that he was sold crosses just before our friendship dissolved. Should I have come here and said, "hey everybody, Dan crossed Drys and sold them to some guy named Steve as Texans but that's all I know for now, lol". You, along with the rest of the herp community would have chastised me more for that than you are now and you know it.

"kennard, you've done some good but you could have done better sooner".

Thanks Wes, but you're wrong. My hands were somewhat tied in the absence of TexIndigo Gals post at KS.

"As big as your mouth is you surely didn't need Fauna to let people know about felice".

True, and I did let people know on KS, but wasn't willing to come here without the proper amount of evidence.

"Weren't you posting on the indigo forum at KS during the crossing of these snakes, you know the ones you saw breeding and saw the eggs resulting from that breeding, the ones you and your brother bought? You couldn't have posted the info there? Wow, I wonder why not. Oh yeah, because it was YOUR FRIEND who was in the wrong and if you're kennard's friend it's ok to be such a person.

Gotcha".


LOL, if you say so, I guess you "got me, lol! Anyway, yes I was posting on KS during the crossing of these snakes. It's not the "crossing" that is in question. It was the misrepresentation, which at the time I had no proof of.

Now just out of curiosity Wes, what is it about this thread that doesn't belong in the original? I'll answer that for you. You are trying to be a bigshot hero, you know, the guy who shot Billy the Kid, lol. In other words you are screaming for attention.

I almost forgot, is this a "bad guy" thread, lol? Make sure you list all of the people I sold misrepresented animals to.

By the way Haley, Kennard was and is Felice's main accuser. Get a clue!

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That part was made clear. What was unclear was the timeline and which actions occured with Chris's knowledge. This is why I asked.

Are your feelings still hurt from the beating you took in the Fred Albury thread? Is this your idea of petty revenge? LOL!

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... "Beating"?

Fred had a great reputation up until that point and many people were confident that there had simply been a misunderstanding. Expressing support of Fred's history as an upstanding guy doesn't become a problem until it's done despite real, concrete proof that he was unwilling to fix the situation. Once it became clear, I stopped posting in his support.

I really don't think that you respect this website as the resource it is and you continue to display hints of the attitudes that got you in trouble over here shortly after you began posting. Fauna's BOI is not the place for petty wisecracks or to view a situation as being some kind of contest to see who can insult the other person with "Momma Jokes" The reason many people take objection to your posts and Mister Kennards is that they appear frequently to be vindicitive attacks rather than legitimate posts. Until you change your approach to this board and these situations, this isn't going to change and people are going to be cautious when it comes to believeing anything you say or taking you seriously when it comes to situations like the thread about Dan.

Hey Seamus...

The reason many people take objection to your posts and Mister Kennards is that they appear frequently to be vindicitive attacks rather than legitimate posts. Until you change your approach to this board and these situations


Are you kidding me??? Show those posts! But before you do anything else, go to the Dan Felice thread (where this garbage belongs) and view the first posts there made by Gila, Wes, Wendy and Wraith and you be the judge! There posts were vindictive and venomous assaults to say the least. So now you call my posts "vindictive attacks"? Site one. Being dilligent in my own defense and trying to prove my point while under heavy scrutiny is not being vindictive. Go compare my posts to Wes', Gila's and Wendy's and you be the judge.

Chris,
If you were posting on Kingsnake at the time, and you knew that even one hybrid (don't have an opinion on them as long as they are represented correctly) was being sold as pure, then you should have immediately posted. You would know the obvious ramifications of your posting there due to the fact of even having to name "Project Blue Book".

Al,

Where does the madness, that your pretzel logic promotes, END?????????

It ends when one of the parties involved realises the mistake they made and react accordingly. Is anyone even arguing wether they were hybrids anymore? Does Seamus still give Neil recommendations, or Fred? It would probably end with Chris saying that he was wrong to have waited this long to allow a misrepresented friend maintain a good standing in a tight knit group. Which further allowed more fraudulent sales (at least 1). Who knows if that is even a crime, especially if their is not direct evidence (taped coversations, emails) of him claiming the purity. So if you really want to call the police please do it, and quit asking everyone too.

CHris and Al,

You guys might be taken a bit more seriously if you chose a different style of posting. Your style is completely trollish and even though you have added valuable information (even when noone would believe you), you also come off as the same person. Where their is one, their is alway the other. Instead of sitting down and figuring out what you want to say, you come out with 10 posts in a row, with every thought that went through your head. Even having multiple screen names on one site adds to that trollish image.

Wes,

You really shouldn't get involved so intensely in these posts. It really does not look good to see unending bickering on the BOI. It kinda gives the place a feel of some regular forum, as opposed to a valuable business tool that the whole reptile community can use to decrease the numbers of scams going on. I do like how you will post in any thread that is a "good guy" thread and tell of this persons previous bad dealings, but I would peronally take it down a level (your warning points say alot).

My 2 Cents,
Tom Baker

Tom...

"It would probably end with Chris saying that he was wrong to have waited this long to allow a misrepresented friend maintain a good standing in a tight knit group. Which further allowed more fraudulent sales (at least 1)."

Obviously you are not understanding what I am writing here. Because you and your friends here want to portray me as being wrong just because you dislike me so, doesn't make it so. Your dislike for me is clouding your judgement. Read my posts a little closer. You are trying to paint a picture that I was "in control" of what Dan was doing. Quite the contrary. I never made a decision FOR Dan nor have I EVER pursuaded him in ANY decision he has ever made. If you must know, I did tell a few people in private that he misrepresented offspring from that breeding but wasn't sure to whom. As it turns out, one of the people I told privately was Bobby Lee, not knowing at the time that he was one of the recipients until the post by TexIndigo Gal (sigh). Suddenly there was no contact between us. Now I know why. I would have looked ridiculous voicing an opinion on this at KS in light of the fact that, according to Dannio himself and many other frequenters of KS, my opinion and "credibility" means squat"! So in your opinion, who should I have alerted that I "was kind of sure, lol" that Dan was misrepresenting animals, but had no proof? What would have been the response had I posted that here had I known about the BOI then? What exactly would YOUR response have been. I did the right thing. I waiting until I had substantial evidence to voice my opinion, which by the way, was long after Dan and I parted ways. Any more questions? I'll be happy to share.

"Your style is completely trollish..."

Hmmm, posting info in an effort to prove a point is trollish. Interesting. Can you site a post of mine that fits your "trollish" description? And how do you rate Wes, Wendy, Gila and Wraiths first post on the Dan Felice thread? Are they "trollish"? After all, that's where the guns started blazin'.