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For Sale 2015 Fader Line False Water Cobras

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I have a few Male Fader FWCs available asking $350+shipping. Shipping is dependent on weather obviously. Feeding weekly on frozen thawed rat fuzzies, but these chow hounds will eat anything though.

What is Fader?I know most of you are asking ourselves what the heck I am talking about. Fader is a line that I have started producing after I saw that was coming out of these parents. The animals are born from a Hypo x Normal, and they look like regular hypos or normals young but quickly, the latter 2/3 of the animals fade out, almost completely.

Pictured below: Picture 1 is the animal for sale. I have more than one available though.

Picture 2: A Normal Fader I sold last year. You can see that his neck is still normal, but the rest of the body has faded. This is different from a hypo because the whole animal would be faded, not just parts of it.

Picture 3: This is my holdback Hypo Fader from 2015. This photo was right after her 5th shed and is nearly patternless. This is a clutchmate to the animals for sale. She was fully patterned when she was younger. I have photographed her after every shed starting at the second shed when I noticed she was something special.

So that folks, is the Fader line and you can have a Fader yourself! These males are ready to go!
 

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Will, I had spoken with lots of people who keep and breed FWCs and they have seen nothing like the female in picture 3 or the kind of fading happening here. I am working with this line to express more the fade to create near patternless animals through selective breeding. These fade to a higher degree to any FWC I have seen or that fellow breeders have seen. I do not claim a new morph, but I am working with these as a possible new line in hopes to succeed in my work. (Sort of like in carpets, getting brighter high contrast animals through selective breeding)
 
By selective breeding you mean Line breeding which is actually in breeding related animals?
Just like all the other morphs throughout the hobby, very pretty but genetically weak!
 
Ignore the haters. You have some beautiful animals, and if I were set up for them and had the room, I would definitely invest in one.
~Beau
 
englishaussie said:
By selective breeding you mean Line breeding which is actually in breeding related animals?
Just like all the other morphs throughout the hobby, very pretty but genetically weak!
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Literally every snake as you know it within the hobby is selectively bred. Corns, milks, kings, balls, almost none of those look as clean and brightly colored in the wild as the captive lines do.
 
I am not a hater, but i have been in this hobby for 40+ years, these so called fader line snakes look just like hypo or super hypo, i have hypo myself which have lost or faded pattern, this is nothing new.
 
englishaussie said:
I am not a hater, but i have been in this hobby for 40+ years, these so called fader line snakes look just like hypo or super hypo, i have hypo myself which have lost or faded pattern, this is nothing new.
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So...you took time out of your day to dis his thread because he called a morph by a name you don't agree with...?
~Beau
 
No it's because he is selling fairly common looking animals as something they arnt for an inflated price. I said in my very first post about this that the fading is completely normal with fwc's. He then went on to talk about all the breeders he's spoken too etc. Well I produce close to 100 falsies a year and his animals are nice examples of normal hypo and normal falsies. His female super hypo is a screamer but the fading is completely normal. That doesn't make any of us haters. No one is putting his animals down. They are very nice and look healthy but he is marketing them as something they are not. It's misleading to prior that don't know better. ..... like you. I sell my animals for $100 each as hatchlings and they all grown into some degree of fading. Does that warrant me selling them as 350 animals? I think not. Englishaussie also breeds false water cobras. He knows his stuff too. Does anything me or him said make us haters? I don't agree with the guys talking about Line breeding or inbreeding that is a crazy stance to take. We are simply saying his animals are normal examples of what they are. Haters? I think not. Whistle blowers maybe. ...........
 
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No it's because he is selling fairly common looking animals as something they arnt for an inflated price. I said in my very first post about this that the fading is completely normal with fwc's. He then went on to talk about all the breeders he's spoken too etc. Well I produce close to 100 falsies a year and his animals are nice examples of normal hypo and normal falsies. His female super hypo is a screamer but the fading is completely normal. That doesn't make any of us haters. No one is putting his animals down. They are very nice and look healthy but he is marketing them as something they are not. It's misleading to prior that don't know better. ..... like you. I sell my animals for $100 each as hatchlings and they all grown into some degree of fading. Does that warrant me selling them as 350 animals? I think not. Englishaussie also breeds false water cobras. He knows his stuff too. Does anything me or him said make us haters? I don't agree with the guys talking about Line breeding or inbreeding that is a crazy stance to take. We are simply saying his animals are normal examples of what they are. Haters? I think not. Whistle blowers maybe. ...........
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Well, in that case, anyone looking to buy one will have pictures of animals exactly like his but with lower prices come up as soon as they google them, natch?
~Beau
 
Also, if he is telling the truth about the trait in his snakes being sex-linked, then they aren't exactly like your's or any other on the market, which would make them worth the price.
If it turns out he is lying about it being a sex-linked trait, then he will pay in the long run when he ends up on the BOI.
~Beau
 
They are very nice animals, however i have hypo falsies with faded pattern & i have also seen super hypos that look like this, almost patternless. These are not a new thing, falsies tend to lighten as they age. We are not haters, just saying this is nothing special. I wish Jackie all the best with them.
I do think they are overpriced & i do not agree with in breeding or line breeding just to get more of the same. If its with unrelated animals? great! go for it, but to breed offspring back to the parents to produce more of a certain type, no i`m sorry that is just wrong! Or breeding unrelated species, like Cali kings & corn snakes? really? they would never interbreed naturally so they should not be bred together.
Unfortunately the hobby is awash with these in bred genetically weak animals. Eastern indigos are a prime example of decades of in breeding. Premature death, stunted growth, enlarged hearts & split belly scales.
This is just my opinion, like it or not i don't care, i just have more concern for the animals than the money i can make from them.
 
They're correct^^^. Gorgeous super hypo though. However, seller can sell as whatever they want to and for however much they want to. Not that it's right but still. I would never pay the price for a normal animal that will "fade out" slightly but that's my choice as a buyer.
 
Alright, the female "super" is not a super! She is just a hypo. The pairing was normal x hypo, thus no super. And by selectively breeding- yes these parents are unrelated animals and I intend to breed the screaming hypo female to an unrelated male I have that I believe will produce near patternless animals as the male is a silver hypo with very little pattern as well. That is selective breeding. I never said anything about inbreeding. The term Line that I am using is the same from, let say carpet pythons. With the "Highlighter Line" or "Gamma Line" etc. It's selective breeding a non-morph trait. I never said I had a new morph. I said I was trying to create a Line of FWCs. I am very picky about my breeder animals and have turned down breeder ready animals that were offered to me because I felt they did not have the quality I was looking for. That is what I strive for- Quality over Quantity. I really don't care if you produce 100 FWCS a year or 5 FWCs a year. I produce about 2-3 clutches right now from selected individual animals to produce these animals. There are people here and elsewhere selling GreyxHypo and they are saying the grey is a trait, and they sell those for more. And no one bats an eye. But here I am and I give my project a name. That is all. These are normalxhypo babies that I have produced by breeding the parents, seeing the results of the previous offspring over time, and deciding "hey, I might have something here. If I breed their offspring to this, maybe I'll get this..." That is what breeding is all about. I am not here to have an argument, I am here to offer some smokin hot FWCs from quality animals to people who want them. That is all.
 
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